Footage shows naked, mentally ill man shot to death after crossing beach border

I am at a loss for words? Surely a naked man poses no threat?

SHOCKING footage has been released showing a naked, mentally ill man shot dead on a beach after crossing the border into Egypt.
Footage was captured of the moment Egyptian border guards fired dozens of bullets at unarmed 28-year-old Palestinian Ishaq Khalil Hassan after he crossed the wire border from the Gaza strip into Egypt on Thursday. Mr Hassan was swimming naked in the Mediterranean Sea when the incident occurred.
A witness, a Palestinian security guard, can be seen in the footage yelling at the men to stop shooting.
“It is clearly a cold-blooded execution, committed in broad daylight,” a spokesman for Hamas’ Interior Ministry said.

www.news.com.au... 1a4f17463ea112






WARNING GRAPHIC FOOTAGE.

"I am at a loss for words?"

Yes there are no words to describe my disgust. RIP young man, you are finally free.

I just love how they justify this story by adding in "Mentally ill".

I think the morons with the guns were mentally ill.

How would the Egyptian guard know he was mentally ill?

Why didn't the Palestinian guards apprehend him if they knew he was mentally ill?

Even naked, he was still a possible suicide bomber threat. Muslim terrorists have been known to pack plastic explosives in their rectums.

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

No Sh!t? excuse the pun.

I didn't know that?

However, you're right, how did they possibly know he was mentally ill.

Complete tripe huh?

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
I just love how they justify this story by adding in "Mentally ill".

So the border guards knew he was "mentally ill?" How? Did he have a sign? Of course, he was because no sane person would cross a heavily defended border, but the fact is the border guards have been told, "Shoot anyone who crosses that line." They aren't coast guard rescue workers. The guy deserves a Darwin Award: You do something stupid, you die.

I know in the EU and the US it's not acknowledged that borders actually exist, but in most of the rest of the world, they actually MEAN something. One is trained to go to the official border crossing, stand in line, and patiently await admission. This is not the only border in the world where if you attempt to cross it like this, you will be shot.

a reply to: [post=20194446]schuyler[/post

That's funny.

Europe should have blasted the crap out of all those Syrian refugees then huh?

a reply to: schuyler

By the way, I was not mocking you. I was merely stating the obvious. However, there has to be a certain measure of decision making when aiming at a naked unarmed bloke floating around in the surf?

Yeah?

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: schuyler

By the way, I was not mocking you. I was merely stating the obvious. However, there has to be a certain measure of decision making when aiming at a naked unarmed bloke floating around in the surf?

Yeah?

Thanks. Didn't take it that way. In answer, though, I think the EU is feeling the effects of having open borders about now and only a few years ago the East Germans fired on anyone who crossed "illegally" into West Germany, armed or not--and they were trying to escape. The thing is, from a guard tower (which I know we don't see) it's not known what they see. For example, when the guy was in the water I can't really tell if he is "naked," just that his torso is. And we don't know if he has anything with him. I tend to agree with you from what I saw, but I have to say it's a bit of an open question.

Now, with respect to the guards' latitude in decision making, my guess is they have none whatsoever. This is not the American military where you can desert and claim it was in protest of a bad command climate. You desert the Egyptian army and they shoot you. That border in the pics opens up into the Sinai Peninsula where Egypt has had a lot of trouble with ISIS or some variety of Bad Guys (tm) recently. That entire border from the Med where we see it clear across Israel and to Jordan (which is not very far, btw) is heavily fortified on all sides. There are land mines, booby traps, razor wire, and a whole lot of guys with AK-47s lined up there. I crossed the Egypt-Israel border there a couple of years ago--NOT a pleasant experience (though getting into Israel from Jordan was worse.)

So it's not the kind of place where you want to "test the waters," so to speak and the Egyptian "policy" with regards to such matters is well known. This isn't the first time. So from the guards' perspective, is this just one unarmed naked guy who must be crazy? Or is this just a test, and if he makes it through will a thousand more people rush the fence? Is this the beginning of some sort of action? Is it a ruse? And given their own "command climate," what will happen to them if they don't do what they have been told to do in these exact circumstances?

From the guards' standpoint, it's a no-brainer. Is it bad? yes, of course. Could it have been prevented? Well, that's an interesting issue because that border should have been protected from BOTH sides and there really ought to have been better safeguards in place so that an idiot, mentally or otherwise, would have been prevented from reaching that border in the first place on his own side. How was he even allowed to get close? That Hamas guard certainly wasn't effective. A telephoto lens throws things out of perspective, so he may have not been close enough to do anything, but certainly someone should have been able to. Where were they? I don't find Egypt at fault here.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: schuyler

By the way, I was not mocking you. I was merely stating the obvious. However, there has to be a certain measure of decision making when aiming at a naked unarmed bloke floating around in the surf?

Yeah?

Thanks. Didn't take it that way. In answer, though, I think the EU is feeling the effects of having open borders about now and only a few years ago the East Germans fired on anyone who crossed "illegally" into West Germany, armed or not--and they were trying to escape. The thing is, from a guard tower (which I know we don't see) it's not known what they see. For example, when the guy was in the water I can't really tell if he is "naked," just that his torso is. And we don't know if he has anything with him. I tend to agree with you from what I saw, but I have to say it's a bit of an open question.

Now, with respect to the guards' latitude in decision making, my guess is they have none whatsoever. This is not the American military where you can desert and claim it was in protest of a bad command climate. You desert the Egyptian army and they shoot you. That border in the pics opens up into the Sinai Peninsula where Egypt has had a lot of trouble with ISIS or some variety of Bad Guys (tm) recently. That entire border from the Med where we see it clear across Israel and to Jordan (which is not very far, btw) is heavily fortified on all sides. There are land mines, booby traps, razor wire, and a whole lot of guys with AK-47s lined up there. I crossed the Egypt-Israel border there a couple of years ago--NOT a pleasant experience (though getting into Israel from Jordan was worse.)

So it's not the kind of place where you want to "test the waters," so to speak and the Egyptian "policy" with regards to such matters is well known. This isn't the first time. So from the guards' perspective, is this just one unarmed naked guy who must be crazy? Or is this just a test, and if he makes it through will a thousand more people rush the fence? Is this the beginning of some sort of action? Is it a ruse? And given their own "command climate," what will happen to them if they don't do what they have been told to do in these exact circumstances?

From the guards' standpoint, it's a no-brainer. Is it bad? yes, of course. Could it have been prevented? Well, that's an interesting issue because that border should have been protected from BOTH sides and there really ought to have been better safeguards in place so that an idiot, mentally or otherwise, would have been prevented from reaching that border in the first place on his own side. How was he even allowed to get close? That Hamas guard certainly wasn't effective. A telephoto lens throws things out of perspective, so he may have not been close enough to do anything, but certainly someone should have been able to. Where were they? I don't find Egypt at fault here.

I'm sorry, but if they are in a guard tower, I'm positive they have a) binoculars and b) the intelligence to use them. If they don't then a) they are cold blooded killers or b) the responsibility for this man's unnecessary death lies on the shoulders of the guards superiors for not training/ hiring/ equippening them properly and that responsibility essentially goes all the way to President el-Sisi.

Indeed similar things have happened in the past, in other parts of the world. But that does not excuse or justify these actions. If anything it requires more restrain as they SHOULD have learned from the mistakes of others.

Typical nationalism and imaginary borders in the sand being guilty of justifying murder!

Im on board with everyone who calls the mentally ill moniker tripe. Its like a test to illicit sympathy, even if he personally was "stressed" or "felt like he had had enough." or in any other way full of human emotion. I hate these kinds of straw grasping sympathy ploys. Makes it so much worse than just shooting a guy huh.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

Typical nationalism and imaginary borders in the sand being guilty of justifying murder!

That's right. Whether they have your approval or not, Egypt is an internationally recognized nation and has an internationally recognized border. It's not imaginary. In fact, it is well-marked. Any idiot, including insane ones, can see where it is. Given the tension in the area, any idiot can walk across a border and blow something up, i.e.: Murder somebody. Many have already done precisely that. That's why the border is well-protected. That's why the guards are there. Egypt has an internationally recognized right to control its borders. This is not just Egypt. It's part of international law, and as such, someone who crosses a border without authorization is subject to lethal force used against them. This is not only legal, Egypt has jurisdiction. Not you.

I understand that you think it's murder. The definition of "murder" is: "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" Key word: unlawful, i.e.: Illegal. Was this shooting unlawful? No. It was perfectly legal. How do we know? because Egypt says it was and this happened on Egyptian territory where Egypt gets to make the rules. Not you.

When you are in a foreign country, you must abide by its laws. For example, I can't pack my Glock 9mm handgun when traveling in Canada or the UK. It's my RIGHT to do so in the United States, but I don't have that right in a foreign country. I also have to abide by their other laws even though I don't agree with them. For example, in many countries there exist blasphemy laws. I think that's crazy, but I do not have the right to say otherwise while I am within their borders.

So you can say this is "murder" all you want, but it amounts to mere hyperbole because by international law, it isn't. Except for you being personally aggrieved, legally speaking, that's the end of the story. Borders aren't imaginary and neither are countries, and if you think so, you're delusional.

The 'mentally ill' card is a tool used for political purposes to silence and suppress the masses who openly express beliefs that contradict official dogma...

The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon. ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

According to the mother, he wasn't mentally ill but other sources say otherwise...

His family said he had been having treatment for mental health difficulties...

www.dailymail.co.uk... order.html

The victim’s family identified him as Ishaq Khalil Hassan, 28, and said that he suffered from mental illness.

www.theblaze.com...

The article below states that at least 20 migrants were killed by Egyptian border guards in the last six weeks while trying to cross into Israel.

Something drove Ishaq Khalil Hassan, 28, into the Mediterranean last week, to walk naked in the shallow surf, to attempt what has become all but impossible for Palestinians: an escape from the Gaza Strip. Palestinian officials insisted that Mr. Hassan, who tried to wade across the border into Egypt on Thursday, was mentally ill. His family said he was sane, but desperate — he had been trying all year, unsuccessfully, to legally enter Egypt for medical treatment for an old injury.

“Ishaq thought that Egyptians will be like Europeans, who deal with Syrians and welcome them,” said his brother, Ibrahim Hassan. But as soon as Mr. Hassan crossed the frontier, Egyptian border guards opened fire, spraying the sea with bullets while ignoring a Palestinian guard who whistled and frantically gestured with his hands that Mr. Hassan had mental problems. A video that captured the shooting made at least one thing clear: Mr. Hassan appeared to pose no immediate threat to anyone.

As they grapple with an Islamist insurgency in the Sinai Peninsula, Egyptian officials have justified the border crackdown as a necessary measure to deter the flow of militants and weapons. At the same time, the border guards appear increasingly willing to use deadly force against anyone trying to cross. In the last six weeks, Egyptian border guards have fatally shot at least 20 Sudanese migrants trying to cross into Israel.

Desperate Gaza Escape Try Leads to Death

First off. I would not want the guards guarding me; they are absolutely terrible
Shot (s)

Secondly, the threat level at the time of this execution was null. Even if he did have explosives in his arse.....

Thirdly, there was plenty of nice beach on his side of the boarder to swim naked.

Mentally ill or not..... R I P

a reply to: CaptainBeno

i am curious - the stills images show him on the gaza size of the fence - but the vid only shows him on the egypt side

further - the " fence " shown seems to me to be a very flimsy demarcation [ given that lethal force is used to defend it ]

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Well, they can't very well electrify the fence. Think of the salt corrosion...

besides the political implications, this reminds me of the US Police and how they deal with the mentally disabled

Didn't know that the Palestinians and Egyptians were so hostile towards each other and border excursions.
I wonder why such lethal force is used, Muslims killing Muslims, is this Sunni and Shiite tension.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: schuyler

By the way, I was not mocking you. I was merely stating the obvious. However, there has to be a certain measure of decision making when aiming at a naked unarmed bloke floating around in the surf?

Yeah?

Thanks. Didn't take it that way. In answer, though, I think the EU is feeling the effects of having open borders about now and only a few years ago the East Germans fired on anyone who crossed "illegally" into West Germany, armed or not--and they were trying to escape. The thing is, from a guard tower (which I know we don't see) it's not known what they see. For example, when the guy was in the water I can't really tell if he is "naked," just that his torso is. And we don't know if he has anything with him. I tend to agree with you from what I saw, but I have to say it's a bit of an open question.

Now, with respect to the guards' latitude in decision making, my guess is they have none whatsoever. This is not the American military where you can desert and claim it was in protest of a bad command climate. You desert the Egyptian army and they shoot you. That border in the pics opens up into the Sinai Peninsula where Egypt has had a lot of trouble with ISIS or some variety of Bad Guys (tm) recently. That entire border from the Med where we see it clear across Israel and to Jordan (which is not very far, btw) is heavily fortified on all sides. There are land mines, booby traps, razor wire, and a whole lot of guys with AK-47s lined up there. I crossed the Egypt-Israel border there a couple of years ago--NOT a pleasant experience (though getting into Israel from Jordan was worse.)

So it's not the kind of place where you want to "test the waters," so to speak and the Egyptian "policy" with regards to such matters is well known. This isn't the first time. So from the guards' perspective, is this just one unarmed naked guy who must be crazy? Or is this just a test, and if he makes it through will a thousand more people rush the fence? Is this the beginning of some sort of action? Is it a ruse? And given their own "command climate," what will happen to them if they don't do what they have been told to do in these exact circumstances?

From the guards' standpoint, it's a no-brainer. Is it bad? yes, of course. Could it have been prevented? Well, that's an interesting issue because that border should have been protected from BOTH sides and there really ought to have been better safeguards in place so that an idiot, mentally or otherwise, would have been prevented from reaching that border in the first place on his own side. How was he even allowed to get close? That Hamas guard certainly wasn't effective. A telephoto lens throws things out of perspective, so he may have not been close enough to do anything, but certainly someone should have been able to. Where were they? I don't find Egypt at fault here.

I'm sorry, but if they are in a guard tower, I'm positive they have a) binoculars and b) the intelligence to use them. If they don't then a) they are cold blooded killers or b) the responsibility for this man's unnecessary death lies on the shoulders of the guards superiors for not training/ hiring/ equippening them properly and that responsibility essentially goes all the way to President el-Sisi.

Indeed similar things have happened in the past, in other parts of the world. But that does not excuse or justify these actions. If anything it requires more restrain as they SHOULD have learned from the mistakes of others.

Typical nationalism and imaginary borders in the sand being guilty of justifying murder!

Spot on! They should have detained him or allowed a Palestinian guard or 2 to briefly cross and take the man back.
There is no excuse. The lack of training is astounding.

a reply to: CaptainBeno

It just an excuse for these guards to legally murder someone