Bernie Sanders brings up 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld, and missing trillions of dollars

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: hellobruce

So, which announcement do you refer to, that was made 6 months before truthers made up the detail of missing money?

You are very confused, the only people to claim money is missing are silly truthers, no official ever said any money was missing.

Why are you doing that? Juat to get a rise out of people? You could at least bold the word "missing so people understand that is the only word you like to revise. Repeating it over just because you dont like the wording then calling them silly is a little immature, dont you think?

Yes technically, money wasnt missing Bruce, everyone gets it but it but then texhnically was never any money to begin with. It was just a bunch of computer code floating around and between networks.

Its still an enourmous and suspicious problem.

I like Bernie Sanders, and I'm glad he brought this up. Hillary Clinton seems pretty corrupt and she thinks she deserves the Presidency and doesn't have to earn it. One thing I like about Donald Trump is that he is honest, and says things without regard to P.C. nonsense - which I think was getting out of hand before he started making speeches.

I hate to say it, but I would take Trump over Sanders any day.

It's either going to go really good, or real bad with him, but it wont be stagnant, that's for sure.

Who's more likely to be establishment?

The socialist who believes in bigger gov, or the businessman who understands the hindrance they are?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: hellobruce

So, which announcement do you refer to, that was made 6 months before truthers made up the detail of missing money?

You are very confused, the only people to claim money is missing are silly truthers, no official ever said any money was missing.

Why are you doing that? Juat to get a rise out of people? You could at least bold the word "missing so people understand that is the only word you like to revise. Repeating it over just because you dont like the wording then calling them silly is a little immature, dont you think?

Yes technically, money wasnt missing Bruce, everyone gets it but it but then texhnically was never any money to begin with. It was just a bunch of computer code floating around and between networks.

Its still an enourmous and suspicious problem.

Leave the man alone, he's just trying to do his job.

Careful bernie. .....dont want to suffer a "heart attack" or "car crash"......

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
That I didnt know. How did that come to be?

www.911myths.com...

Most of it was accounted for by 2002, 13 years ago!

That "expose" was another long winded cover up.

Its not that they don't know where the money went, just they can't say where it went.

Yah wasted, yah payoffs, kick backs, bribes, graff and corruption. Arms for covert operations abroad are usually accompanied by yards of cash to buy off puppet dictators, supply their thugs with armaments and American Dollars.

One theatre of collaboration was Iraq…

missing money in Iraq

For the record Rumsfeld was not the one who brought up the missing trillions in his speech back in 2001 ("DOD Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week Kickoff—Bureaucracy to Battlefield"), but rather he was under pressure from the press and members of Congress to rectify the Pentagon's inability to pass an audit for the previous four years. The 2.3 trillion figure comes from year 2000 audit covering the year 1999 (before Rumsfeld's tenure), and this figure was mentioned several times in the press, such as this editorial or on the PBS Newshour. Rumsfeld was specifically asked to address the audit problems at his confirmation hearing on January 11, 2001.

How bad was the mounting pressure to make the Pentagon pass an audit?

This is not a particularly demanding requirement. Nevertheless, the Pentagon has now failed to account for its expenses for several years; in effect, it has declared itself the constitutional equivalent of a rogue elephant - out of control and above the law.

Here is a simple way out of this mess: With no realistic threat to our national security on the horizon for the next 15 to 20 years and with America spending 18 times as much as all the adversaries identified by the Pentagon, we should call a time out. Congress and the president should fund the Defense Department through a continuing resolution at 5 percent to 10 percent below current levels until the Pentagon passes a financial audit.

It is ironic that one of the nation's most trusted institutions, the Pentagon, flouts the Constitution year after year with the blessing of our political leaders. The new Congress and president must find the courage to rectify this embarrassing situation. The taxpayers and soldiers at the pointy end of the spear deserve no less.

-- Retired Navy Vice Adminal Jack Shanhan heads the military advisory panel of Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities. Frank C. Spinney works in the office of the Secretary of Defense.

That was the reality going into 2001, when the Pentagon was faced with having its budget cut until it could straighten out it's financial house. Then miraculously, a "plane" hit the very office that was tasked with that budget analysis. Per this article:

One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck the building.

After 9/11 no one bothered with looking into the Pentagon's accounting fiasco or floated ideas of cutting its budget.

Claiming the Pentagon can now account for those trillions, when they've had the time to doctor the ledgers in a "no questions asked" post 9/11 environment - what a joke. (Special Report: The Pentagon's doctored ledgers conceal epic waste)

a reply to: Gumerk
Proud Supporter of Bernie Sanders.

Why doesn't Mr. Sanders hit Mrs. Clinton w/the whereabouts of $6 Billion went "missing" when She was the Head of the State Dep't. and then $2B shows up from "The Saudis™" into The Clinton Fraudation but what was the big story? Missing forwarded fart joke e-mails.. You can't feed people w/e-mails..

The whole ball of wax is a FRAUD!

In 2012 The U.S. Chamber of Commerce spent $100 MILLION on the Presidential Erection.. How many guys ran in that? It is pretty GREAT if Your business is politics but what if You owned a paint store? Of course this begs the question, who nowadays owns a paint store? The Walton Cabal has already ran ALL those businesses out of town. Those former owners now work 32 hrs. MAX. at the local Chinama... Walmart™

You have 1 vote. The $$ has the MANY votes.

Don't pay attention to the Zionists™ pulling the strings o'er THERE------------->

a reply to: Gumerk

There is no way on Earth I would vote for this man. This morning I was flipping channels, nothing on tv, so I stopped on face the nation for a laugh. Well Sanders was just on 10 minutes ago and they were talking about race and police. He said if Sandra Bland was white she would still be alive. No evidence of any wrong doing and he is pulling the race card for them. We do not need another Obama.


Pcg

a reply to: mOjOm

by hitting two giant departments at once.

Well dont forget the FED isnt a dept but a privately owned money printing institution. Kennedy tried to implement precious metal based money printing, and that didnt go too well for him

They dont want oversight by elected members of Government
www.federalreserve.gov...

Governor Jerome H. Powell
At the Catholic University of America, Columbus School of Law, Washington, D.C.
February 9, 2015
"Audit the Fed" and Other Proposals


.....Against that background, I am concerned about several troubling proposals that would subject monetary policy to undue political pressure and place new limits on the Fed's ability to respond to future crises. My remarks will address three such proposals. The first goes by the somewhat misleading name of "Audit the Fed," and would subject the Federal Reserve's conduct of monetary policy to unlimited congressional policy audits (not to be confused with financial audits, which are already conducted regularly.)2 The second is a proposal to require the Fed to adopt and follow a specific equation in setting monetary policy and to face immediate congressional hearings and investigation by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) whenever it deviates from the policy dictated by that equation.3 And, third, there are discussions about imposing new limitations on the Fed's long-held powers to provide liquidity during a financial crisis.

I think these proposals are misguided for three reasons.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Simply listen to the official story, money has never been reported as missing. It took some years but it is all accounted for. There is no way corruption exists within this system

Aside from the 2 trillion that was corrected to $700 billion unaccounted for, lets not the forget the other "who knows how much extra is being ripped off"

Packard Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org...
The President's Blue Ribbon Commission on Defense Management also known as ... of management functionality within the Department of Defense of the United States. ... By the mid-1980s, this spending became a scandal when the Project On ... paying $435 for a hammer, $600 for a toilet seat, and $7,000 for a coffee pot

www.motherjones.com...

2012
The Air Force scraps a new logistics management system that has shown "negligible" results—after spending $1 billion on it.

2012
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) slams $68 billion in frivolous Pentagon spending: "Using defense dollars to run microbreweries, study Twitter slang, create beef jerky, or examine Star Trek does nothing to defend our nation."


The Starship Enterprise Paramount
2012
The House oversight committee finds that the Swiss contractor that fed troops in Afghanistan was overpaid by $757 million. The company claims it's still owed $1 billion.

2013
The military and VA are found to have spent $1.3 billion on a failed health records system for vets. That's after the Pentagon already spent $2 billion on an unsuccessful upgrade of its electronic medical records system.

2013
The Army announces plans to replace its camouflage pattern, which was introduced in 2004 and cost $5 billion to develop. The new one will cost $4 billion.


US Army uniforms Wikipedia
2013
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) decries the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter as "one of the great national scandals that we have ever had, as far as the expenditure of taxpayers' dollars are concerned."

2013
The Pentagon plans to scrap more than 85,000 tons of equipment in Afghanistan, part of $7 billion worth of gear being left behind as the troops come home.

a reply to: hellobruce

No money was missing, that is just a silly claim made by truthers, who ignore the fact that it has now been accounted for!

Read your own link again.
No it hasnt been completely accounted for, and the problems went as far back as the 80'S. The excuse given was that too many different departments using different methods of accounting and the software of depts didnt speak to the software of other depts.

Can you imagine a taxpayer using that excuse - " gee i cant consolidate my accounts because my kids and wife played with my excel worksheet and I dont know, my bank statements show amounts that aren't income but sales of Aunt Doris' furniture that she donated to us" or the "dog ate my homework" because thats essentially what the your link is saying.

If the IRS wouldnt buy that why should the US taxpayer believe it?

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: hellobruce

So, which announcement do you refer to, that was made 6 months before truthers made up the detail of missing money?

You are very confused, the only people to claim money is missing are silly truthers, no official ever said any money was missing.

Why are you doing that? Juat to get a rise out of people? You could at least bold the word "missing so people understand that is the only word you like to revise. Repeating it over just because you dont like the wording then calling them silly is a little immature, dont you think?

Yes technically, money wasnt missing Bruce, everyone gets it but it but then texhnically was never any money to begin with. It was just a bunch of computer code floating around and between networks.

Its still an enourmous and suspicious problem.

Leave the man alone, he's just trying to do his job.

Oh Brucieboy - first thing I do when I wake up in the morning is to work out.

I highly recommend you try it out as well.

Mental gymnastics are meant for the gym, not ATS.

a reply to: Ghost147

A tough election? Not really, not at least for about half of us who won't participate at all.
A tough year? Yea.....for those of us who no longer participate in the BS that is these elections, it'll be a very tough year because we can't turn on the tv news without being pounded with Election News BS.

And the result? Typical. The "system" will inaugurate the worst of the bad candidates.

a reply to: pcgamer11

No evidence of any wrong doing

Really? Have you viewed the arrest video?



I don't understand why this officer thought she should do anything other than take his ticket and leave. Even if she mouthed off at him about the ticket. With that being said a little politeness and mutual respect goes a long way, sure. And I understand an officer can have you exit your vehicle as a safety measure.

Thing is, she was signing the WARNING, not a ticket with fine, and he starts with her about her cigarette. He was milliseconds from walking away. If he was truly concerned for her safety, in this current climate why did he not call for backup and wait in his car for a second unit to show up? This is my opinion, it was over done, cut and dry. Until he says "Are you done?" from that point on his body posture/language and tone start to change.

Then_"You mind putting our your cigarette please if you don't mind?" Bland_"I'm in my car why do I have to put out my cigarette?" Officer "Step out of the car!" Typical didn't get his way bully behavior and he was gonna make her pay for her irritation of the stop and not following his commandments to extinguish her cigarette in her own vehicle. He was looking for a fight and set the bait, against regulations even. Straight up bully punk!

DPS (Dept. Public Safety) also issued a statement that the officer broke numerous policies during the stop. "(CNN)The investigation into the death of Sandra Bland is being treated like a murder investigation, a district attorney said" I'm guessing that's standard protocol when an inmate dies in custody.

Her head was hit so hard that she couldn't hear, she also couldn't feel her arm etc. can suggest some sort of severe internal injury. She told the arresting officer she was epileptic. If she had untreated injuries or even if the stress caused a seizure, she may have died in her cell from that alone.

About the sheriff in this case: "We have now learned that Waller County Sheriff Glenn Smith, who made the first public comments about Bland’s in-custody death, was suspended for documented cases of racism when he was chief of police in Hempstead, Texas, in 2007. After serving his suspension, more complaints of racism came in, and Smith was actually fired as chief of police in Hempstead." After being fired for racism, the town of Waller then elected Smith as sheriff. That's a pretty big red flag.

Sheriff Glenn Smith has been the key media correspondent since this case has erupted. Can the public trust what Sheriff Glenn Smith says after he’s been fired for the “humiliation and mistreatment” of multiple “young, African-American males.” Hell, can anyone trust his word on it after learning of his history in law enforcement?

About the facility she was at: Bland disclosed on a form at the jail that she previously had attempted suicide over that past year, although she also indicated she was not feeling suicidal at the time of her arrest, according to officials who attended the meeting with local and state leaders investigating the case.

Turner said Bland's disclosure about her suicide attempt to jail authorities should have led to increased supervision by jail staff. And it illustrates "the need to make sure we provide the care and the interventions for people who are having behavioral and mental health issues when people are coming into our county jail system."

Why do Jail cells have anything that you could hang yourself on in the first place? That is a valid question. No person being held by any police officer in this country should ever be injured in any way, and when that happens it should be deemed to be negligence at the very least. How did she strangle herself to death solo, with one injured arm? Security cameras were not in Bland's cell, but motion-sensor cameras did record activity outside the cell, authorities said.

The Texas Commission on Jail Standards criticized the Waller County Jail for insufficient training and for failing to check on inmates face-to-face every hour, and ordered it to come into compliance.

The Waller County Sheriff's Office said its jailers had received mental health training, though not in the past year. The office ACKNOWLEDGED that guards used the intercom to check in on Bland rather than an in-person inspection as REQUIRED.

Encinio, "the arresting officer" was placed on administrative duties after the state Department of Public Safety said it found "violations of procedures regarding traffic stops and the department's courtesy policy."

Bland was a vocal advocate against police brutality. The young woman had just moved back to Texas to take a position at her alma mater, Prairie View A&M University "The attorney for Bland’s family, Cannon Lambert, told a radio show Monday that the dash cam video of her arrest showed a Texas state trooper...

reaching into her car and trying to pull her out. Lambert told the Tom Joyner Morning Show that Bland did not strike the state trooper in the video footage that was shown to the family. Lambert said the two argued about Bland smoking in her car and the trooper tried to open her door as she attempted to record him with her cell phone. The video then showed the trooper pulling his taser out after which Bland complied and got out of her car."

Finally, In "my opinion" nothing is going to change in America "when it comes to bad cops/police state" until you have federally mandated psychological profiling of every officer serving the public, and start to take measures to ensure that they understand they have a duty to protect every person they encounter.

The attitude of "some" policing in America, and how they expect you to bow down and kiss their feet, and if you dare to even question their authority they believe they have the right to beat you into submission with force is grossly wrong, evil, and needs reform.

It's akin to the old saying "Well, that's just the way it is." Well, some things need to change in the way that they "just" are. Police reform can start to fix the problem and be a much needed catalyst for that change.

She died after a minor traffic violation.

Hellobruce employs this semantic misdirection every time the subject is raised. We dealt with it in this thread last month when I asked him to substantiate his claim that the money was accounted for. Although Dov Zakheim (no less) said in 2002 he was making good progress, no accounts were ever submitted.

Hellobruce knows this but repeats the falsehood. He can do so ad nauseum without fear of the hammer. The best one can do in retaliation is repeat ad nauseum the facts:

"From 1995 through 2002, Senator Charles Grassley pushed through an amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill requiring the Pentagon to account for its expenditures by following one seemingly simple procedure: match each payment to the expense it covered. The order was ignored, and Grassley gave up."

And to this day:

"Pentagon staff routinely insert billions of dollars a year of false accounting entries to cover missing information - conceals huge sums lost to waste, fraud and mismanagement."

"Q: How much taxpayer money has the Defense Department spent that has never been audited since the 1996 deadline?
A: About $8.5 trillion."
Reuters

a reply to: TonyS

I understand your feelings there, but as I'm sure you know change starts with you.

"When we stand together there is nothing we cannot accomplish. But when we're divided, the big money interests will always win."~Bernie Sanders

Go to the polls and give them hell, all of you -- no matter what candidate you favor -- Bring democracy back

originally posted by: Gumerk
a reply to: pcgamer11

No evidence of any wrong doing

Really? Have you viewed the arrest video?

I don't understand why this officer thought she should do anything other than take his ticket and leave. Even if she mouthed off at him about the ticket. With that being said a little politeness and mutual respect goes a long way, sure. And I understand an officer can have you exit your vehicle as a safety measure.

Thing is, she was signing the WARNING, not a ticket with fine, and he starts with her about her cigarette. He was milliseconds from walking away. If he was truly concerned for her safety, in this current climate why did he not call for backup and wait in his car for a second unit to show up? This is my opinion, it was over done, cut and dry. Until he says "Are you done?" from that point on his body posture/language and tone start to change.

Then_"You mind putting our your cigarette please if you don't mind?" Bland_"I'm in my car why do I have to put out my cigarette?" Officer "Step out of the car!" Typical didn't get his way bully behavior and he was gonna make her pay for her irritation of the stop and not following his commandments to extinguish her cigarette in her own vehicle. He was looking for a fight and set the bait, against regulations even. Straight up bully punk!

DPS (Dept. Public Safety) also issued a statement that the officer broke numerous policies during the stop. "(CNN)The investigation into the death of Sandra Bland is being treated like a murder investigation, a district attorney said" I'm guessing that's standard protocol when an inmate dies in custody.

Her head was hit so hard that she couldn't hear, she also couldn't feel her arm etc. can suggest some sort of severe internal injury. She told the arresting officer she was epileptic. If she had untreated injuries or even if the stress caused a seizure, she may have died in her cell from that alone.

About the sheriff in this case: "We have now learned that Waller County Sheriff Glenn Smith, who made the first public comments about Bland’s in-custody death, was suspended for documented cases of racism when he was chief of police in Hempstead, Texas, in 2007. After serving his suspension, more complaints of racism came in, and Smith was actually fired as chief of police in Hempstead." After being fired for racism, the town of Waller then elected Smith as sheriff. That's a pretty big red flag.

Sheriff Glenn Smith has been the key media correspondent since this case has erupted. Can the public trust what Sheriff Glenn Smith says after he’s been fired for the “humiliation and mistreatment” of multiple “young, African-American males.” Hell, can anyone trust his word on it after learning of his history in law enforcement?

About the facility she was at: Bland disclosed on a form at the jail that she previously had attempted suicide over that past year, although she also indicated she was not feeling suicidal at the time of her arrest, according to officials who attended the meeting with local and state leaders investigating the case.

Turner said Bland's disclosure about her suicide attempt to jail authorities should have led to increased supervision by jail staff. And it illustrates "the need to make sure we provide the care and the interventions for people who are having behavioral and mental health issues when people are coming into our county jail system."

Why do Jail cells have anything that you could hang yourself on in the first place? That is a valid question. No person being held by any police officer in this country should ever be injured in any way, and when that happens it should be deemed to be negligence at the very least. How did she strangle herself to death solo, with one injured arm? Security cameras were not in Bland's cell, but motion-sensor cameras did record activity outside the cell, authorities said.

The Texas Commission on Jail Standards criticized the Waller County Jail for insufficient training and for failing to check on inmates face-to-face every hour, and ordered it to come into compliance.

The Waller County Sheriff's Office said its jailers had received mental health training, though not in the past year. The office ACKNOWLEDGED that guards used the intercom to check in on Bland rather than an in-person inspection as REQUIRED.

Encinio, "the arresting officer" was placed on administrative duties after the state Department of Public Safety said it found "violations of procedures regarding traffic stops and the department's courtesy policy."

Bland was a vocal advocate against police brutality. The young woman had just moved back to Texas to take a position at her alma mater, Prairie View A&M University "The attorney for Bland’s family, Cannon Lambert, told a radio show Monday that the dash cam video of her arrest showed a Texas state trooper...

reaching into her car and trying to pull her out. Lambert told the Tom Joyner Morning Show that Bland did not strike the state trooper in the video footage that was shown to the family. Lambert said the two argued about Bland smoking in her car and the trooper tried to open her door as she attempted to record him with her cell phone. The video then showed the trooper pulling his taser out after which Bland complied and got out of her car."

Finally, In "my opinion" nothing is going to change in America "when it comes to bad cops/police state" until you have federally mandated psychological profiling of every officer serving the public, and start to take measures to ensure that they understand they have a duty to protect every person they encounter.

The attitude of "some" policing in America, and how they expect you to bow down and kiss their feet, and if you dare to even question their authority they believe they have the right to beat you into submission with force is grossly wrong, evil, and needs reform.

It's akin to the old saying "Well, that's just the way it is." Well, some things need to change in the way that they "just" are. Police reform can start to fix the problem and be a much needed catalyst for that change.

She died after a minor traffic violation.

I see him giving her lawful orders and her not listening. Disorderly conduct? Even if the cop is in the wrong for arresting her, I am talking about evidence that someone in the jail killed her.

Pcg

Of course Bernie Sanders also has the Federal Reserve in his sights:
Bernie Sanders vows to curb Wall Street by purging Federal Reserve of bankers

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