Islamic State leader Baghdadi goads West in rare audio statement

Cmon, did you not say in a thread that you think sharia law is best? and you would like sharia law impose on the UK ?

I'm betting that Israels presence in Palestine is upped ten fold now....seems a lot like the excuses made by the US and their presence in unwanted territories.

That’s just rhetoric to keep his brainwashed zombies going...
...going to their death

a reply to: tinner07

Erm... No, I didn't.

Israel is just sitting on the sideline doing nothing. Why don't they do something to help fight ISIL?

originally posted by: coolieno99
Israel is just sitting on the sideline doing nothing. Why don't they do something to help fight ISIL?

Maybe they have to keep an eye out for the Hezbollah folks fighting cos on their return, they will be ready for a fight, or a rest...

Or perhaps they dont want ISIS to turn their attention to Isreal as then they may have ISIS one side and Palestine on the other and who knows, maybe even Egypt will join in....

There should be enough people there to fight Daesh anyway.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: MrSpad

Seems like a lot of defence for a country with only around 200,000 native peoples .The remaining 2.5 million are x pats and contractors .A country that has only came into existence in 1971 ...Who would their natural enemy be ?

Iran is always a fear, a coup in Saudi Arabia putting a radical regime or just a regime collapse would be another. Chaos spreading from Iraq down the road if things fall apart again. An outside power like Russia trying intimidate the Gulf States into cutting oil production. So they have a variety of possible threats and want to be as secure as they can if things in the region go south.

originally posted by: coolieno99
Israel is just sitting on the sideline doing nothing. Why don't they do something to help fight ISIL?

They cooperate with Egypt in the Sinai region again the ISIL affiliate there and the support the Druze and any other group in a buffer zone as long as they keep ISIS and Assad out. Although ISIL does not have a strong presence there.

As for why they do not take a more active role, that should be obvious. It would be a massive recruiting tool for ISIL and half the people fighting ISIS would likely change sides.

Convenient, given that Iraq is dealing heavy blows to ISIS in Ramadi and the SDF had recently taken a dam and plan to push over the Euphrates.

I seriously wonder if the sudden decline of the past Domination by ISIS in Syria/Iraq is not so much because the western forces are re-invigorated as a result of the Russian attacks on the various Terrorists

BUT

because the ISIS fighters have chosen to leave the Levant ....hidden among the flood of Refugees swamping both the EU and the Sanctuary Cities in the USA... (the pet project of Hussein Obama & the slew of active Muslim Brotherhood Policy makers working out of the WH)


the recent gains of victories against ISIS---is more the result of a much smaller ISIS fighting force in the mid-east (they are all re-assigned to EU & USA tours-of-duty)


just a smell-the-coffee moment...

originally posted by: tinner07
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

does this guy ,deceased or not, claim to have a masters and PhD in Islamic studies?

I understand that yourself and the majority of Muslims are not going to suicide bomb people.

Yet i believe you have said you think sharia law is best.

How can this not be Islam if this guy has a PhD in the #? Is Islamic studies full of #?

Everyday we hear this is not Islam, This guy has studied Islam and apparently it is.

How do we know every peace loving Muslim isn't wrong?

I think you're missing a few points about academic credentials.

1. Two people can have the same degree and have vastly different opinions/takes on a subject matter. You can see this vividly with different politicians who hold the same degrees; or with a socialist & a capitalist who both have degrees in economics.

2. Every religious denomination has its own traditions, rulings, and interpretations. Islam is no different. So to understand what a masters degree or doctorate degree in "Islamic Studies" means, you'd first have to see what school it's from and what denomination's interpretations the curriculum is based on.

An example I used before is to look at an Amish minister. To reach that level/rank, he'd have to become an "expert" in the history, traditions, and interpretations of his sect. However, there's no way his studies would involve him mastering the intricacies of all 30,000+ global denominations of Christianity. So the curriculum and its focus are what would matter here, because there's no way that expert in Amish studies would be accepted as an expert in Christianity as a whole. The same goes for Islamic schools/madrassas.

A final thing I'll add is this: Islam is not a top-down religion, it's a bottom-up religion. Our "status" is based on our personal piety & devotion to God; not on earthly rankings, wealth, family status, etc. Everything that is required of Muslims is explained in the Qur'an & anyone who reads it in its entirety will see this. In fact, the Qur'an is filled with requirements for us; things that are forbidden to us; things that are recommended but neither required nor forbidden to us; things that are allowed but not recommended for us; facts & corrections about past events; and food for thought.

I'm pointing this out because you seem to be thinking human studies & teachings can override the Qur'an, which simply isn't true. Nothing overrides the Qur'an, which should be the basis for any "Islamic studies". Each denomination & school of thought has its own interpretations, traditions, rulings, and the such; but learning those will only make someone an expert in those denominations. That's why I said the doctorate degree in "Islamic studies" will depend on the school & its curriculum.

After all, a Salafi-Wahhabi college won't teach the "master level" intricacies of the Alawite or Ismaili sects; just as an Ismaili school won't teach the "master level" intricacies of the Nation of Islam's perspective. But they'd each teach that their interpretation of Islam is the "correct" interpretation of Islam. Their schools would teach the Qur'an, Sunna, and Haditih and the interpretations of different passages that coincide with and "justify" their sect's perspective on an issue. So you can't expect a graduate of either sect's schools to be considered an "expert" by anyone other than their own sect.

Of course, every school is different so you'd have to see their curriculum before we could even determine what level of "expertise" they teach in the first place. I guess I could accept it if that school's curriculum made its graduates master the teachings, histories, rulings and the such from every single denomination, interpretation, and school of thought in Islam. They'd also have to master the different Islamic groups of the past, who existed before the Prophet Muhammad (Islam's final messenger, not its founder). But even then, I'd accept a person who fully understands the Qur'an over those students.

Oh yeah! As for the OP, heh heh: I think this "audio statement" is bogus (not blaming the OP, though). If I "uncover" and release a secret audio recording of JFK & Tupac saying they're both alive and trapped in Zimbabwean diamond mines, should people believe it?

originally posted by: St Udio
I seriously wonder if the sudden decline of the past Domination by ISIS in Syria/Iraq is not so much because the western forces are re-invigorated as a result of the Russian attacks on the various Terrorists

BUT

because the ISIS fighters have chosen to leave the Levant ....hidden among the flood of Refugees swamping both the EU and the Sanctuary Cities in the USA... (the pet project of Hussein Obama & the slew of active Muslim Brotherhood Policy makers working out of the WH)


the recent gains of victories against ISIS---is more the result of a much smaller ISIS fighting force in the mid-east (they are all re-assigned to EU & USA tours-of-duty)


just a smell-the-coffee moment...

No, it is just that ISIS can not shift its forces to meet a single threat anymore. When the Iraqis had to have the Kurds and Shia militias to hit a single target, ISIS could shift forces to defend it. In Syria the FSA has taken a beating from a double team of ISIS and Assads forces before ISIS turned around and attack Assad as well. So it took time for new rebel coalition to form as the SDF. And ad to that the Sunni's breaking off and rebelling against ISIS in Iraq and new Western trained Iraqi forces coming online plus a year long air campaign by the coalition. Remember it takes a long time to start seeing results from a bombing campaign.

So you have Kurds and Sunni militias armed and trained by the Turks and others in Iraq plus a much larger much better trained Iraqi army plus Shia militias all now on the offensive in Iraq in different areas. And you also have one major advance in Syria by the FSA heading for the ISIS capital. Now ISIS can not shift forces without giving something else up. They have lost the initiative and now have respond to the enemy as best they can. From the day ISIS failed to take Baghdad ISIS lost the war.

A message/warning from the Sword on the Land. I am the Arc and the sword. There will be no more killing or my father said you will face the everlasting fire in the pit. He is king of Kings, Lord or lords and the only Judge of just hearts. Jesus Christ is upon me and I surround him and he will be here in Sept 2016. Stop in the name of god the father/Allah. I am the one you have been waiting for and I come from a good father and come for peace, compassion and love to all and to to remove the Empire and crown.

That message is for ISIS and I come from the father and come with him, Jesus Christ our saviour and Elijah.

ISIS, is just a name, the purpose and agenda behind the terrorist movements in the middle east will continue under another name and the fight of Islamic control and spread is unstoppable, because is more than just terrorist acts to kill, is about spreading themselves all over the world.

Taking names like ISIS, Al-Qaida, Taliban and more, they are just names, to give a substance to a movement that actually have no name but it had purpose.

ISIS will just move to take another name, this movements will never die.

Can anyone speak to Iran's apparent withdraw from the battlefield? Is this part to consolidate in Baghdad against a Gulf States force planned to base 100k regular troops in northern Iraq?

originally posted by: FlyingFox
Can anyone speak to Iran's apparent withdraw from the battlefield? Is this part to consolidate in Baghdad against a Gulf States force planned to base 100k regular troops in northern Iraq?

Their are no 100K troops going to northern Iraq. Iran is likely pulling out because Russia has agreed that Assad's fate should be left to the Syrian people when ISIS is defeated. Which means Assad is out and backing him any longer is a waste of time. The Russian's no doubt will get some arms deals in the new Syria as part of giving up Assad. Iran is likely to get nothing but, considering they will be flooding the market with oil and natural gas soon hurting Russia's economy even more, maybe the screwing Iran is just a little extra fun for the Russian's.

I thought that Gulf States army which McCain announced to Baghdad was old news...? Like 2 weeks ago.

originally posted by: coolieno99
Israel is just sitting on the sideline doing nothing. Why don't they do something to help fight ISIL?

Because (and I suspect this the reason behind AL Baghdadi's threats) is that if Israel get involved it will push many into the arms of IS, as they are the "great enemy".. Much the same reasoning why Iraq attacked Israel in the 1991 Gulf War - to try and provoke a response from Israel so Arab support for the War would dry up...

Israel is probably being told (as they were in 1991 by the US) to sit this one out... Them being in the mix will only fan the flames of an already dangerous sectarian conflict.

originally posted by: FlyingFox
I thought that Gulf States army which McCain announced to Baghdad was old news...? Like 2 weeks ago.

McCain suggesting what he would on a talk show is in no way what anybody would do in reality. He makes crazy suggestions all the time because he has no power to do them.