Is there Evidence in the Gospels that the Virgin Birth was a Cover-Up for... Something Else?

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: beenharmed

O_o

Not doing science, occultist....I am not a computer program....nor is Satan and nor is an Alien.

All spirit bodies are created after the destruction O of the PHI light sound.

If you interact with these spirits...the sound that they form is also changed just as demonstrated to you all.

All that you have been doing as an occultist is to change radiation light and sound by interacting and studying it.

Our ancient brother already existed as a created state...a full spirit imposed this Virgin evaluation as a condition through various reviews, making single data statements about a state that did not exist in reality.

He was in the origin atmospheric body as a fully formed angelic light spirit male...who got converted and shrank into a human body size by the amount of radiation attacking Earth. In self combustion cases....shrinkage of the head was demonstrated because water being the main part of our cell state evaporated....belonging with the oxygen that burns...by the increased radiation converting life.

This was how he gained information by being converted as an organic cell...at the same time that stone levitated. How he gained this wisdom...yet changing forces then combusted his life. As I said the UFO forming and removing the atmosphere was not in the records...hence he did not witness the event, for it was removed. When he studied it from his holographic changed brain chemical imagery in his somatic trance...he got incorrectly informed.....he is not powerful...he did not create powers, he caused powers to attack him.

We came back out of origin light when Earth atmosphere rehealed...refilled emptied out space....cold gases fills up emptied space. We know this is true because we live on a stone that sits in out of space...and the atmosphere filling space allows us to exist.

He reviewed when the atmosphere converted...it was a higher gaseous body...gases that came out of origin stone body.

This conversion was instantaneous....a review he considered Immaculate for he could not factor the condition for he no longer knew the origin gases...for they converted.

Origin gas converted...oxygen and hydrogen formed...these 2 bodies saved Earth from being combusted...as Earth was turning into dust just as Earth demonstrates. Water fell upon the face of Earth...flowed into the emptied out holes bored into Earth and saved Earth. Lava was created by colliquified crystal. Crystal that melted.

Reviewing the atmosphere as a fully formed human spirit being...with all cellular/chemical/self reactions happening in 1 moment.

Should not have considered any changes...changes mean CHANGE...if you CHANGE...you DESTROY. Your own conscious awareness tells you as ADVICE and you IGNORE THE ADVICE and then get destroyed. How many more times does your self possessed spirit consider its own destruction?

O was considered to be God...that allowed o the small cell in his own body to exist. God allowed him to be alive.

He changed O God...the holy angelic seals...radiation light sound, that allowed his o small cell to exist.

He also lives in a mass....the atmosphere a mass of light and sound. The UNSEEN GOD created him...UNKNOWN as mass and light/sound changed his own higher light spirit sound into a lower sound.

Hence when you alter the sound of MASS...we do not get destroyed...but our cell function alters by change of irradiated sound in the mass.

Hence this GOD O did not create o his small cell....this GOD...allowed his small o cell to exist.

When he changed O GOD....the mass of atmospheric light sound was irradiated....and mass changed his o small cell and converted it.....and he got sick....he changed his status to that of the animal DNA...and the animal DNA changed...plant life DNA changed.. the microbial population changed....it then attacked his life again.....circuit after circuit until his life cell began to bleed from the huge amount of removal of the micbrobial population that allowed his cells to function.

Pure evil really, the review of occultism stated that the applications of occultism destroys life. Science is the destruction of life....we were indoctrinated by your own belief occult brother...you inherited your wealth from our family abuses...and science is just another of your own personal inheritance and abuse of our life. How could we ever stop you from occultism? You made certain that occultism won.

a reply to: beenharmed I like some of your theories and do not need justification of; but reserve comment. You seem to have a natural distain for what you call or believe to be the 'occult'. What to you describes the 'occult'. There is Gnostic thought, (arcane) one demonstration of it is through Quabala study; there are others (a spiritual method to gaining enlightenment). The Occult is a physical practice; altering or unnaturally manipulating natural outcomes (attempt to get you to focus).

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: beenharmed I like some of your theories and do not need justification of; but reserve comment. You seem to have a natural distain for what you call or believe to be the 'occult'. What to you describes the 'occult'. There is Gnostic thought, (arcane) one demonstration of it is through Quabala study; there are others (a spiritual method to gaining enlightenment). The Occult is a physical practice; altering or unnaturally manipulating natural outcomes (attempt to get you to focus).

The occult, the conversion of the natural spiritual life on Earth.

We exist...we have food...we have water and we shelter. We take care of our life and our family...spiritual.

Our ancient brother introduced occultism....wanted the powers of creation for his own personal use...for building civilization. The only way he could achieve this review was to attack his family as a brotherhood to then use them as his victims...and we have been his victims ever since.

Some of our family escaped civilization and went back to natural living....most of us stayed in his indoctrinated civilization, for we were born into his beliefs...indoctrinated with his beliefs and if we challenged him...were murdered.

Occultism....evil itself, and wisdom never actually existed for it is an implied review consideration of evil occultist attacks.

The ancient review states our natural brother had to learn what your occultism was doing, as his spiritual life was being attacked by evil spirits. His own mind, not conditioned to the evil spiritual occult review...was forced to review the information, being implied wisdom. Wisdom is implied...it does not actually exist in regards to occult practice...converting the Nature of Earth and its life.

Our brother taught himself to be Wise and then tried to teach his occult brother how unwise he was by evidence....our brother ignored him, as usual for he is self possessed by his own person and what he considers he should have as personal ownership and status.

When our unwise brother was attacked personally by his occultist methods, he soon changed his own occult mind.

The same will happen in modern society...built on his occultist deceits and implied egotistical evaluations of our life and worth.

He has never listened to wisdom...for wisdom is an advice to never alter spirit.

Talmud says Jesus was Ben Stada and was born out of wedlock by a roman soldier called Pandira,

originally posted by: beenharmed

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: beenharmed

O_o

Not doing science, occultist....I am not a computer program....nor is Satan and nor is an Alien.

All spirit bodies are created after the destruction O of the PHI light sound.

If you interact with these spirits...the sound that they form is also changed just as demonstrated to you all.

All that you have been doing as an occultist is to change radiation light and sound by interacting and studying it.

Our ancient brother already existed as a created state...a full spirit imposed this Virgin evaluation as a condition through various reviews, making single data statements about a state that did not exist in reality.

He was in the origin atmospheric body as a fully formed angelic light spirit male...who got converted and shrank into a human body size by the amount of radiation attacking Earth. In self combustion cases....shrinkage of the head was demonstrated because water being the main part of our cell state evaporated....belonging with the oxygen that burns...by the increased radiation converting life.

This was how he gained information by being converted as an organic cell...at the same time that stone levitated. How he gained this wisdom...yet changing forces then combusted his life. As I said the UFO forming and removing the atmosphere was not in the records...hence he did not witness the event, for it was removed. When he studied it from his holographic changed brain chemical imagery in his somatic trance...he got incorrectly informed.....he is not powerful...he did not create powers, he caused powers to attack him.

We came back out of origin light when Earth atmosphere rehealed...refilled emptied out space....cold gases fills up emptied space. We know this is true because we live on a stone that sits in out of space...and the atmosphere filling space allows us to exist.

He reviewed when the atmosphere converted...it was a higher gaseous body...gases that came out of origin stone body.

This conversion was instantaneous....a review he considered Immaculate for he could not factor the condition for he no longer knew the origin gases...for they converted.

Origin gas converted...oxygen and hydrogen formed...these 2 bodies saved Earth from being combusted...as Earth was turning into dust just as Earth demonstrates. Water fell upon the face of Earth...flowed into the emptied out holes bored into Earth and saved Earth. Lava was created by colliquified crystal. Crystal that melted.

Reviewing the atmosphere as a fully formed human spirit being...with all cellular/chemical/self reactions happening in 1 moment.

Should not have considered any changes...changes mean CHANGE...if you CHANGE...you DESTROY. Your own conscious awareness tells you as ADVICE and you IGNORE THE ADVICE and then get destroyed. How many more times does your self possessed spirit consider its own destruction?

O was considered to be God...that allowed o the small cell in his own body to exist. God allowed him to be alive.

He changed O God...the holy angelic seals...radiation light sound, that allowed his o small cell to exist.

He also lives in a mass....the atmosphere a mass of light and sound. The UNSEEN GOD created him...UNKNOWN as mass and light/sound changed his own higher light spirit sound into a lower sound.

Hence when you alter the sound of MASS...we do not get destroyed...but our cell function alters by change of irradiated sound in the mass.

Hence this GOD O did not create o his small cell....this GOD...allowed his small o cell to exist.

When he changed O GOD....the mass of atmospheric light sound was irradiated....and mass changed his o small cell and converted it.....and he got sick....he changed his status to that of the animal DNA...and the animal DNA changed...plant life DNA changed.. the microbial population changed....it then attacked his life again.....circuit after circuit until his life cell began to bleed from the huge amount of removal of the micbrobial population that allowed his cells to function.

Pure evil really, the review of occultism stated that the applications of occultism destroys life. Science is the destruction of life....we were indoctrinated by your own belief occult brother...you inherited your wealth from our family abuses...and science is just another of your own personal inheritance and abuse of our life. How could we ever stop you from occultism? You made certain that occultism won.

Are you talking of the brown note here? Just a myth, toss it, doesn't work. We tried, using three semis of sound and 30 000 people. We had guards with counters by the toilets. No unordinary traffic.

a reply to: Sigismundus

tapas simply means to take hold of something, grasp it in hand, and (by application) to capture or seize something

The word used in regards to Mary's "humiliation" is also used in the bible concerning the humiliation of barren women (Genesis 29:32) (Samuel 1:11) rather than if she had been raped in which the word usage is different stronger;(chazaq) than she, he violated (anah) her and lay (shakab) with her.

The word usage is similar in in Acts 8:33 speaking of Jesus "In his humiliation he was deprived of justice." (being led as a sheep to the slaughter). This references how others treat you, your abasement, your humiliation, suffered at the hands of people. biblehub.com...



biblehub.com... In Mary's case, she was seen by people as an adulterous woman, pregnant while engaged to another man, and as such, was humiliated in front of people but the words used do not indicate rape necessarily. God did "take hold of her" and she did have cause to consider herself just as humiliated before men as the barren women of the bible and as Jesus was humiliated by men also.

The passage in no way gives anyone definitive cause to say raped or violated by a man, even willingly. There is more cause to consider this a reference to the condition of her spirit before men due to the entirely pregnant condition she found herself in, while betrothed.






However, if you want to be technical about it, then Jesus suffered any punishment due under the law for Mary while still being innocent of any crime against her.

biblehub.com... "But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces (chazaq) her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman cried out, but there was no one to save her.

But that is only if you want to get really technical. He did, after all, take her virginity and we can safely infer a crying out with no person to save her from the birthing at the time Jesus was born.

originally posted by: Kitana
The word used in regards to Mary's "humiliation" is also used in the bible concerning the humiliation of barren women

As you ask for my opinion, I'll also observe that the more standard translation takes it as applying to her low social status.
The RSV has "regarded the low estate", and it is very typical of the Biblical God to make a point of choosing the weak and humble rather than the strong and proud.
The ICC commentary paraphrases "in spite of her humble position as a carpenter's bride".
The ICC also has a very useful table comparing the Magnificat with phrases from the Greek version of the Old Testament, which shows the similarity between this statement and the words of Hannah in 1 Samuel ch1 v11. Hannah had not been raped, but she was a humble suppliant.

a reply to: Kitana

They were all hiding the heir to all the kingdoms of the world. Joseph was Caesarion, and Jesus was heir to the kingdom of David on his mother's side. It was this truth that made the Romans try to kill the firstborns. Joseph dissapearing to Egypt? Again? Joseph prince of Egypt? Caesarion.

Look at it, Gabriel means God is my Strength, he bids Joseph to name his son after Isaiah, so he calls him Jesus. Father of Isaiah name was Amoz. Amoz means Strong. Gabriel means God is my strength. Jesus was the son of God. Jesus was named after Isaiah. Father of Isaiah was named Amoz. Joseph is God, the strength of Gabriel. Amos is also a book in the bible.....

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

After three years of conflict, Herod and the Romans captured Jerusalem. Herod took the role as sole ruler of Judea and the title of basileus (Βασιλεύς, "king") for himself, ushering in the Herodian Dynasty and ending the Hasmonean Dynasty. Josephus reports this as being in the year of the consulship of Agrippa and Gallus (37 BCE), but also says that it was exactly 27 years after Jerusalem fell to Pompey, which would indicate 36 BCE. Cassius Dio also reports that in 37 BCE "the Romans accomplished nothing worthy of note" in the area.

As for Caesarion he was born in 47 BCE, Julius Caesar was killed in 44 BCE which is testament further to the child's age since Caesar stayed in Egypt for two years and it was known that during this time, Cleopatra and Caesar had been involved and Cleopatra and Caesarion also spent two years in Rome where they were Caesar’s guests.

Therefore, the age of Caesarion when Herod was made King, was 10 years old. Cleopatra was not killed until 30BCE and til that time had her son ruling with her in Egypt, he would have been 14 years old when he went into hiding; a fact also shown in non-Christian literature Saturnalia where it is said that the massacre of Herod was reported to Augustus, also known as Octavian , who was busy destroying his enemies in 30BCE, when Caesarion was 14 years old.

Therefore, the dates do not support your theory that at any point in Herod's reign, would he have been looking to kill male children under the age of two years old residing in Bethlehem and its surrounds, in the hopes of killing Caesarion.

a reply to: Kitana

I'm not saying the killing of the firstborns ever happened, Joseph had a dream in which his Lord, whoever it was— warns him that the king would kill his son, in such a way that he thinks of the Exodus (The name Exodus means a going out or departure) and flee to Egypt. In fact the part in the Gospel about the king seeking to kill the firstborns is considered a subtle date reference together with a bunch of other such supposed date stamps in the nativity of Christ narrative and elsewhere. The name of the parasha that includes the story about how the pharaoh seeks to kill all the male children of Israel is named Shemot. Shemot is also the Hebrew name of the Book of Exodus, there you have it, twice exodus, Joseph understood he had to flee. Simchat Torah has remained virtually unchanged since 1st century AD. Parasha Shemot is typically read around Christmas, when Jesus is said to have been born.

Now when they had departed,
[Lat. Exodus means departed, 13th Parasha Shemot-- Names, Jesus' genealogy, Exodus 1:1 + 6:1]
behold, an angel of the Lord appeared
[14th Parasha Va'eirah-- And I appeared, Exodus 6:2 - 9:35]
to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt,
[15th Parasha Bo-- Enter! Exodus 10:1 - 13:16]
and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him
[The essence of Shemot-- Exodus].”
And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt
[16th Parasha Beshalach-- When he let go Exodus 13:17 - 17:16]
[ESV]
[Line shifts, brackets and text formatting mine] Matthew 2:13-14

ETA: Whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew seemed to have believed Jesus was born at Christmas.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Kitana
[...] 13th Parasha Shemot [...] 14th Parasha Va'eirah [...] 15th Parasha Bo [...] 16th Parasha Beshalach [...]

Eventhough the Simchat Torah could have been around in the time of Christ, the story these parashot reflect leads up to fleeing at Passover, and another one of these pseudo-historic remarks is that Jesus was born during a census, and what do you know, there is a parasha with that name also, it's called Heb. Pekudei and means the census. This parasha is typically read in March, or just ahead of Passover, so the two calendars fit in two-span.

PS: I may actually retract what I said that Matthew (whoever he was) must have hinted Jesus was correctly born around Passover. Not Christmas.