How Hitler Rose to Power

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's hard to predict what a lying narcissist will do or won't do once he has tricked everyone to vote for him.

Are you talking about Hilary or Trump?

I have trouble telling the lying narcissists apart as it tends to be a prerequisite of running for office in America.

a reply to: Metallicus

I think it's beyond obvious who I'm talking about.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well you might need new glasses then.

You misread what I wrote.

I clearly stated Muslim terrorists. It is there for all to see.

The thing about Hitler and leaders like him you have to understand is that they understood how people think. He (Hitler) knew that people innately want to believe things. People instinctively want to be lead and told what to do by someone they see as smart, powerful and likable. It's just human nature.

So what do you do if you want to convince people to follow you to hell and back? Be seen as strong, intelligent and likable. Feed the people what they want to hear, and promise them the things they are lacking.

Hitler knew how to do all of this, and do it well. It isn't much different than a cult leader, only Hitler had to do it to an entire nation.

The thing is, a huge chunk of the German population just "kinda went with it". They didn't speak up and didn't get all Nazi-crazy either. There were, by and large, a large portion of Germany that just went along with the status quo because it didn't seem to horrible at the time.

They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I bet a lot of those who didn't say/do anything thought Hitler had good intentions. It wasn't until they were kneed-deep in WWII they probably thought, "You know...maybe not voting or just allowing him to rise to power wasn't such a good idea after all..."

That's the thing, hindsight is 20-20 in these historical instances. People never can see themselves from the forest when they're a tree. Perspective is a hard thing to have when you're in the thick of it all...

This is why history or at least looking at past events can be useful. We can draw parallels between now and the past, and even to some degree plot out what potential the future may hold.

Both the universe and nature within it seem to employ and use cycles. Cycles within cycles within cycles...everything goes around and around and repeats itself. It should be our job to recognize these, and hopefully alter our courses accordingly.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yea it's hard to say. Prior to WWII, there weren't any modern demagogues brazen enough to attempt something like what he did. Hitler literally changed the way these things are done. Hell, his developments in propaganda and misleading the public are STILL in use today by all sorts of different information outlets.

So now it is easier to see someone like Hitler coming a mile away. All you have to do is scratch off the surface rhetoric to see that he doesn't have much substance behind his words and only SOUNDS credible, but back then it was much easier to get taken for a ride.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Why should we wait until he is in power to start judging his actions?

Well, for one, because he hasn't acted on anything that he's said yet--it's all talk. In fact, everything that the candidates are saying is all talk until they are elected and actually do what they claimed that they would. I can't travel to the future, but based on the past, it's pretty simple to chock up candidate rhetoric to being nothing more than hot air. He's running for president, not king of America.

If we've seen these tactics used in the past, we can do the math to see the inevitable conclusion if allowed to foster.

Because, like I said, every candidate talks a big game and doesn't deliver once elected. Hell, Obama is a perfect example of that, what with increased healthcare costs, Gitmo still open, increasing the number of troops fighting wars, etc. etc.

There's more than one part of history that should be used to determine who to view things.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Now some may be wondering what prompted me to write this thread. Well it is my life motto that in order to know the future, we must look to the past. Many should be able to see the obvious parallels to what a certain person running for President in this country is doing in order to gain support. I know that his circumstances don't mirror exactly the circumstances of Hitler, but when so many things align so nicely like this it is VERY worrying. So think about the things you are saying, the words you are speaking, the rhetoric you believe, you MAY be being duped.

Oh I know what made you write this thread.

Yes people may get duped.

Your disclaimer should read; the situation which I am trying to draw a comparison to(yet don't have the balls to spell out), has nothing to do with pre war Germany and the rise of Hitler, at all.

Love how people are getting but hurt because they don’t like the parallels to trump

Sorry Hitler did rise to power and if his rise to power bares some simulates to trump? Well that’s not the OP fault is it?

a reply to: crazyewok

What similarities?

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well you might need new glasses then.

You misread what I wrote.

I clearly stated Muslim terrorists. It is there for all to see.

Well then you aren't talking about what I'm talking about because I'm referring to a politician that wants to denigrate ALL muslims, not just the terrorists.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Well, for one, because he hasn't acted on anything that he's said yet--it's all talk. In fact, everything that the candidates are saying is all talk until they are elected and actually do what they claimed that they would. I can't travel to the future, but based on the past, it's pretty simple to chock up candidate rhetoric to being nothing more than hot air. He's running for president, not king of America.

Well I'm not claiming we should arrest anyone or anything. Just use this information to influence your voting. Recognize these tactics when they are deployed against you and vote accordingly.

Because, like I said, every candidate talks a big game and doesn't deliver once elected. Hell, Obama is a perfect example of that, what with increased healthcare costs, Gitmo still open, increasing the number of troops fighting wars, etc. etc.

There's more than one part of history that should be used to determine who to view things.

It should be noted that back in 2008 I was calling Obama a substanceless politician and was actively wondering what was so great about him other than "he's black". This predated my days on ATS, but even back then I can tell when rhetoric is empty.

I see way more similarities between Hitler and your last 3 administrations. They are the ones eroding your rights, installing a police state and starting imperialistic wars leaving 100's of 1000's of dead in their wake.

Hitler rose to power as he was a very clever man, think of him what you will but he was a genius to grab power in a major European state. Foreign states accepted his rise as anything in their view was better than communism which was taking over much of Europe and looked like spreading over the rest. Hitler was seen as a better bet.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Just a couple of quick footnotes: the same geniuses who put Lenin on a train and sent him into Russia to stir up a little trouble thought that a nervous little ex-corporal would make an excellent spy on the potentially socialist NDSP. That's right, the German General Staff hooked up Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. Another fun fact is that the Party actually did have a left wing, headed by a man named Gregor Strasser. These "Strasserites" were eliminated over a two day period in 1934: "The Night of the Long Knives."

originally posted by: crazyewok
Love how people are getting but hurt because they don’t like the parallels to trump

Sorry Hitler did rise to power and if his rise to power bares some simulates to trump? Well that’s not the OP fault is it?

I think the only comparison made is the pre war Germany and the current state of the US

a reply to: theantediluvian

The way many people, particularly right-wingers, talk about Muslims is reminiscent of what was (and though less popular still is) alleged about the Jewish people; they won't assimilate, their religion makes it impossible for them to exist under secular rule of law, they're invasive, they've infiltrated/are infiltrating governments where they live, they're an impediment to cultural cohesion, etc.

We're watching it recur, today, in this very land.

To the thread:

One of biggest influences to Hitlers rise was the contributions made by wealthy business men who were incensed that as part of WWI reparations the Ruhr, Germany's Industrial Heartland, was snatched up by French and English corporations and the profits from steel and coal industry were funneled west.

It wasn't fair, but the spoils of war never are. The financial support from wealthy German industrialists played into Hitlers plans to revitalize Germany, the Ruhr was the first part of Germany to be repatriated once Hitler secured power and Germany had been rearmed.

Theres a case to be made, if the Ruhr hadn't been taken from Germany as part of Versailles, the money to elevate Hitler to power might not have been forthcoming from big business.

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