Putin defends Christianity

He should shut up about religion and start looking towards defending the LGBT community in Russia.

Backward folks over there man.
Still rife with abuse, violence and degradation.

originally posted by: markosity1973
I completely agree with him - the reason the west has gotten to this not very good place is because the rights (and beliefs) of the majority have been trampled over to pander to minorities.

What rights has the majority lost?

How can someone "trample" beliefs of someone else?

He rightly points out that minorities have the right to exist, but must work with and have mutual respect for the majority.

Mutual respect requires respect from BOTH sides. Today's Christian community has NO respect whatsoever for the LGBT community, nor their rights and equal treatment, nor are they wiling to work with them on any level. How can we have mutual respect under these circumstances?


a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Exactly. There's a HUGE difference between traditional Christian values (which I support) like non-violence, forgiveness, love of all, non-judgment, honesty, compassion, patience, peace and gratefulness... But Putin's brand of Christianity, and that which is practiced in the US today includes "values" such as LOTS of judgment, oppression, hatred, deception, animosity, war and exclusion. I don't want anything to do with "modern Christian values".

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

He should shut up about religion and start looking towards defending the LGBT community in Russia.

That will never happen while he is in office.

He does that so you don't bring up that situation in Russia, and the way he handles it.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Ghost to ats " no, we are better than you"

I never said I was better than anyone else, or my position more superior. I merely pointed out that his information is based off of drawn out fallacies that have been disproved over and over again, and in some cases, blazingly obvious.

It would take literally seconds to discover all the quotes from the founding fathers who directly state how perverse religion is to society. The fact that people still claim America was build on Christian foundations is mind boggling.

Just because someone points out flaws in someone's position, doesn't mean their trying to boost their own image.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
And the reply by those who are sucked in to this arrogance
"We love Putin or we love atheism"

It has nothing to do with atheism. He spouted inaccurate information, and that inaccurate information deserves to be shown to be inaccurate.

Of course he spouted bad information
That's what politicians do

Every word you type is division and atheism

a reply to: markosity1973

You don't need religion to be moral.

What a waste of video bandwidth.

Wait a second , wait a second. How can you defend Christianity when Jesus protects us from Aliens?

That speech that Mr. Putin gave there, is political and would have the backing of the Russian Orthodox church fully and completely. Would it surprise many, that the Russian Orthodox church has a hand in the political structure of Russia, as it stands? That its leaders suggest many laws and ironically Putin and those in power put said suggestions in to effect. This has led to many interesting cases where people are being assaulted, and those responsible to go without charge or seeing a court case.

Like many in the west, he is using religion as a weapon, a political weapon to scapegoat one group. And funny how he should make such a statement about religion, as in Russia, any religion going in would be under the scrutiny of the state, and any that would threaten the Orthodox Church, would quickly be shut down and forbidden, by the state.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
Would it surprise many, that the Russian Orthodox church has a hand in the political structure of Russia, as it stands? That its leaders suggest many laws and ironically Putin and those in power put said suggestions in to effect. This has led to many interesting cases where people are being assaulted, and those responsible to go without charge or seeing a court case.

That sounds VERY familiar! Christianity has become a political party in the US, too, with a great deal of influence over our government and legislative bodies!

Like many in the west, he is using religion as a weapon, a political weapon to scapegoat one group.

Exactly! Makes me wonder what Jesus would have to say about that idea...

a reply to: markosity1973

Man..........you're just looking to stir up a hornets nest.
Pile on PC ATS'ers! Pile on!

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Bear in mind that, like the Church of England, the Russian Orthodox Church is not answerable to an authority outside of Russia's political borders. The Patriarch is the top dog. There is no College of Cardinals or Pope to rein him in.

originally posted by: markosity1973
Once again, Mr Putin is on point and showing his true leadership skills by pointing out the absolute and uncomfortable truth.

I completely agree with him - the reason the west has gotten to this not very good place is because the rights (and beliefs) of the majority have been trampled over to pander to minorities.

He rightly points out that minorities have the right to exist, but must work with and have mutual respect for the majority. He makes mention of homosexuality and while I advocate we have the right to exist and live a safe and peaceful life, I want the heterosexual and christian community to remain strong and proud, because we come from within your ranks.

If we are to retain our cultural identity and our way of life we need a return to sensible morality that puts family and our western heritage first.

The west is the one that started secular civilization.

French revolution

American revolution

Russian revolution

etc


So they made this bed and they have to lie in it.


Its was a good thing because when the West was into religion ( remember the inquisition and the way they treated Native Americans and Africans) they were as bad as ISIS.

NEVER FORGET THAT!


So maybe they may have swung too far to secularity, but people are rightly afraid that if they go back into religion just because of pride of heritage they may go back into the bad religion they had before the secular revolutions and we'll have a Western ISIS.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

He should shut up about religion and start looking towards defending the LGBT community in Russia.

That will never happen while he is in office.

He does that so you don't bring up that situation in Russia, and the way he handles it.

Yeah, for sure.

Watched a documentary series regarding Russia recently and the homophobia is disgusting.
Targetted stabbings galore.

Some even want to bring back stoning.

I'd hope the world would move away from such barbarism, not look forward to it.

originally posted by: MrSpad
Putin uses the Russian Orthodox Church as a branch of his propaganda. They of course can not criticize him or lose his support and likely see its leadership replaced. The invasion and violence in Ukraine went against everything the Church taught but, it had to shut up its dissenters and show support. Putin is hardly the first leader to use religion as a tool.

As many of us lived through the cold war and with some of us actually going to Russia in that period the one thing Russia does all the time is propaganda on a level most would not believe is possible. Putin is on a road trip to change world opinion of him and his actions, but his actions do not change, so those that are on their knees to his words then go live there and enjoy your new great life.

I hope everyone knows that he hates homosexuals and anyone that is not just heterosexual, right.? You all know they are like free game to go after with his support, right?

I'm not going to debate if the US is good or bad for we have killed civilians with our Hell fire misses that though have a reduce range they still kill innocent people too, but when we look at Russia they are always on a scale well above what America would go to. As example since Oct they have done 43,000 airstrikes with 23,000 being big bad barrel bombs that basically wipe out city blocks. Here is one of those bad suckers below. Our Hell Fires are like pew pew compared to these, and that is the way Russia is for they truly live the kill them all and let God sort them out mentality.

The bottom line is Putin will talk all kinds of stuff, but just watch the walk for the true Putin.

a reply to: Willtell

Its was a good thing because when the West was into religion ( remember the inquisition and the way they treated Native Americans and Africans) they were as bad as ISIS.

Religion was around and persecuting others long before the West was ever the West.

NEVER FORGET THAT!

No you shouldn't.

originally posted by: Willtell

So maybe they may have swung too far to secularity, but people are rightly afraid that if they go back into religion just because of pride of heritage they may go back into the bad religion they had before the secular revolutions and we'll have a Western ISIS.

I disagree, religion is slowly dying in the west and those who are religious are like a lite version in practice compared to many other religions. We have our nuts, but religion is growing in other parts of the world that is on a level of extremism that only insane people in the West would go. This could change, but in the west we have many more priorities then just waking up and spending your whole day doing religious things with not much else to do.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The whole question of the return of religion to post-Communist Russia would make a fascinating thread. Putin has co-opted the Eastern Orthodox Curch, and has made strides towards controlling the Jewish Chabad and Sunni Islam by building state funded libraries and mosques. In addition to traditional religion, there has been a disturbing wave of right wing cults and New Age mind control movements being promoted by the state run media. (Google Ruslana Korshunova.) I might just start this thread as a "Christmas Special."

a reply to: markosity1973

Some serious daddy issues going on here lately...

Putin supports Trump - he knows his life will be that much easier with Trump at the helm

Putin doesn't love the idea of a strong nation - he wants it to be his nation. Single religion, anti minority - complete control. No issues to have to work out, no people to compromise with, no fuss no muss and when anyone gets out of line? No apologies, no excuses. Prison, disappeared, assassinated, bombed

Freedom of speech? Forget about it

You love Putin? Forget the Motherland, Putin is now all about the Fatherland. You are welcome to it - I'm not so sure that's an impossibility anymore

a reply to: DJW001
I am very much aware of such. And if the Patriarch of the church decides something is not permissible via the Church teachings, it will reflect in the laws of the state.

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
a reply to: Raggedyman

Um.... according to science, humanity came out of Africa...

That THEORY is not only racist, but incorrect.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
At one time, if you look back in history, Christianity was highly involved in with state craft. Cardinals would wield the power of say a Duke. The Pope would snap his fingers and the Kings, Princes, emperor’s and even the common people would jump on command, lest they face a sentence far worse than death.
And even more recent, if you look at even the history of the USA and at some of the bad laws that were enacted, and passed, usually some of the main arguments were based off of what all was written in the bible. Slavery, segregation, the treatment of the Native Americans, Jim Crow, Prohibition, arguments against equal rights, and even currently those against abortion and Gay rights, all reek of coming from the pulpit. Many of the Anti LGBT legislation, if you look at many of the major players of those against ensuring equal rights for the LGBT community, one can see major religious institutions donating a lot of money. Colorado Amendment 2, it was focus on the family. Prop 8 out of California, had both the Catholic church, and the Church of Latter Day Saints both contributing to prevent its passage. Even in Texas, any sort of legislation that does not meet with the Evangelical approval is often either voted down, or the major donators are also members of those same Church’s, holding offices.