Is it possible there is afterlife realm called '' The Void"

a reply to: Itisnowagain

YES!
desires can be burn out by not indulging them and turn our awareness elsewhere until the thought or feeling about the desire has burn out and only ashes remains. So they are not gone completely but they do not bother you, not even a bit, the fire was put out!
When one burns out all desires and even the desire to be without any desire than real liberation of the self is very near such person.

a reply to: UniFinity
If there was no desire then what there is would be found to be fulfilling.
What there is without need for anything else (including time to find something) is it - no where to go.

originally posted by: UniFinity
So they are not gone completely but they do not bother you, not even a bit, the fire was put out!

But that 'you' is that which desires. That 'you' is the separate self that needs to be seen through - the false self is seeking (desiring) - the idea of after is created out of the desire - this is the illusory self made of time and desire.
It does not exist now.
There is only what is happening.
The 'you' that may be bothered has to go for the fire to be put out.

When one burns out all desires and even the desire to be without any desire than real liberation of the self is very near such person.

The 'person' has to go. The separate individual does not exist now and never did - it is nothing but a thought.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

yes partly I agree with you, but there are different levels of understanding, ok? Please let's leave it at that...hehe we have been over it all already. Lets not muddle this thread with our debate.

Rather share with us here what will happen with you after death? You did not answer the thread question yet : )

OP Im not sure if you can see your own doubt or not... your title begs the question, then you speak of certainty that you are experiencing an after life with pineapples and swimming which is not void... then say you also dont know what happens after you die... can you not see the conflicting statements youve made?

I understand that youve had experience of some nature... the problem is the discrimination with which these experiences youve experienced when trying to make some rational sense of these experiences. The replies of others are similar using how they have decoded the same sort of experience.

why attach yourself to these illusory experiences? I understand it is common to claim experience and hold it as ones own as something undenible and unchanging... this is simply the process an ego uses to form a self that one can argue is solid and unquestionable to defend. Its simply experience and experience is variable, impermanent and unsatisfactory in nature... clinging to these experiences especially the more satisfying ones of ease is no different than ones in day to day life... as the clinging is what will give rise to future suffering without wisdom to see these experiences in their proper perspective... as temporal and impermanent.

The problem with attachment to experience aside from forming an illusory self to which we then manifest and ego to defend it... is there is a karma to this attachhment the karma in this case being directional in nature... you said yourself up or down. So the attachment to these illusions whether they bring pleasure or pain, is what will give rise to direction in the after death state and is what will be the guide towards your next incarnation based on the conditions of these attachments to experience that are variable and illusory in nature that they are solid and have meaning beyond the wisdom that can be derived from them.

the void is the uncreated the realm of neutral karma what you attach to in this realm is the immediate direction in which you will go or experience positive up as you put it negative down as you also put it. these states are reffered to as jhana states... they can be experienced in meditation, dreams, drug use, and on death where they become bardo states. of course any of these experiences that do not end with a steady reality moment to moment in arising and passing are temporal and illusory. this is why buddhism places emphasis on nonattachment, and the bardo thodol is used as a guide to wade through these various illusory states towards release or at least to a better incarnation than one would take without any experience of these states.

theres no harm in such experiences in and of themselves... i just wanted to make it very clear exactly what they are, because without knowing one can bring harm to oneself by attachment to various phenomina that can arise leading to delusion and even more ignorance on the path than previous doing more harm than good.

so please do not mistake experience for truth as it is a gem with a multitude of facets... it takes experiencing them all to attain wisdom of the wish fulfilling jewel and it starts with non attachment.

a reply to: UniFinity
Nothing will happen to me after death.
Nothing is happening to me now. There is only ever what is happening - 'me' is not.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

yeah I figured it would be something like this : )

from what I understand you took an approach from the absolute perspective. That is cool.

what do you think about reincarnation then? what or who reincarnates?

a reply to: UniFinity

my apologies for butting into you twos debate...

but if this was a sincere question as to who or what reincarnates... then the answer is you do, of course the experiences the ego has indentified as a self are left behind only to be filled up again in the new incarnation by past negative karma that has not been resolved and the positive lay the conditions of ones birth rinse repeat until release... on release during a life one can choose their incarnation in the after death state from the wisdom gained of jhana states while in the bardo to incarnate and help others as a bodhisattva or use the bardo to dissolve any remaining affluence of karma into the clear light... any attachment in the bardo illusory body though... youve then made the choice.

the reason this is... is because the ego self born from experience is illusion but the true self is not.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

don't worry about butting in
Thanks and great answer from the buddhist point of view. Do you have any good link for jhana states?

or use the bardo to dissolve any remaining affluence of karma into the clear light

How do you dissolve the karma or is this unique process?
Does that simply mean to be empty without a thought or desire and wait it out? I have read the Tibetan book of the death but was also confused on this issue, maybe you can help me clear it out : )

And I also wonder how itisnowagain would answer it based from his advita vedanta understanding?

a reply to: UniFinity

youre in a jhana state all the time... some are more obvious than others to consciousness. the goal of practice is to not lose oneself in the illusion of the jhana states by attaching to particular experience and forming an ego that forms the illusary self... doing so is what chains us to the wheel of life and hides the true self already enlightened... when we have an ephiphany or ah ha moment it is a glimpse through the illusory self by the true self... the catch 22 is we can of course attach to that epiphany or ah ha moment and just add more fuel to the fire with philosophical descurvise thinking that makes us reek of enlightenment without actual attainment. but other than that jhana as a concept can be found through a standard websearch i suggest quotes so the search engine doesnt come back with alternate spellings, did you means etc.

in nirvana on death and quite a hell of a lot in para nirvana if you choose not to enter into full nirvana as the buddha did... heres the thing about that choice... sure youll see not only your past lives as well as review your current but also run the course out to the end of the current life this is the point where karma can be exhausted and it isnt very pleasant at all mind you depending on ones karmic debt. hells hot and cold are very real and torturous with this experience and the various lights that would appear in the after death bardo appear in the jhana of paranirvana these lights are the chakras and they each hold a storehouse of past karma depending on ones practice and resolve is where the journey ends... i wanted to call it quits many times but i held my resolve that it was the jhana no matter how real the swallowing of hot iron balls or being pierced by sharp razors torn apart by wild animals etc felt. instead of disolving into clear light you attain the rainbow body at the end of this if you choose not to enter nirvana. my last remander was not wanting to leave my son behind knowing my death on the cushion would cause him suffering and leave him with many questions... so here i am.

the future I saw karma fully intact was not bad and for awhile after this experience there was omnipotence... but with the exhaustion of that karma things changed as they are apt to do due to impermanence... it wasnt going to stick around because the karma for it to occur was exhausted. there was also the understanding of guest and host as far as conciousness of the body, speech and especially the mind... the question of who raised the hand for an unconcious scratch previously answered through realization came in very handy... yet it did nothing in the way of addressing how to remain host in a consciousness filled with so many... only practice managed that and at times was its own sort of hell. if it werent for actual realization id likely gone completely mad in that process that is only typical in death during the bardo states. this is why as much experience from all sides with no ego formed from attachment to any of it becomes very important for full release to occur as nearly all previous practices were.

ive emphazied that people shouldnt meander about on the path in the past like a buffet sampling and Istick to one practice with firm resolve... i still agree with that but once it all comes to a head that meander comes in handy to make sense of all thats occurring from direct experience instead of rote understanding.

im sure much of this will likely raise questions but beyond the experience itself ive nothing really to offer unless youve an issue in your own practice... as i dont want to raise any philosophical questions that will only cause you to run in discursive circles. ive shared so that if and when you go through this yourself there will be an imprint of it to help guide you forward in strength of will as it takes much more than you assume you have to come out of the otherside wholly your true self without illusion.

originally posted by: RadioKnecht
You should read about Emanuel Swedenborg. The response he received from God and other angels in his visions, was that God loves us so much and respects our free will so much as well, that when we die, he gives us the decision to choose either going to heaven or going to hell.

The obvious question here would be "why would anyone choose hell over heaven?". The answer is that -always as part of God's infinite love and mercy for us- if we lived a bad life, full of debauchery and sin, our soul becomes so filthy and deformed, that existence in heaven would be unbearable for us. Even if we chose going to heaven, it would be literally hell, as the state of our soul would reject everything that is good and beautiful there, the presence of God the most, as his pureness would constantly bring into light the sorry state of our soul.

Thus, if you lived a "bad" life, when you die, you become the only judge of yourself, choosing to go to hell, where you will be in company with other souls like yours and feel more at ease.

I recently read something written by an Indian Christian mystic that seems to confirm what you cited...

The authors name is Sadhu Sundar Singh and he is considered by many to be a very reliable source.

A WICKED MAN PERMITTED TO ENTER HEAVEN

Once in my presence a man of evil life entered at death into the world of spirits. When the angel and saints wished to help him he at once began to curse and revile them, and say, "God is altogether unjust. He has prepared heaven for such flattering slaves as you are, and casts the rest of mankind into hell. Yet you call Him Love!" The angels replied, "God certainly is Love. He created men that they might live forever in happy fellowship with Him, but men, by their own obstinacy, and by abuse of their free will have turned their faces away from Him, and have made hell for themselves. God neither casts any one into hell, nor will He ever do so, but man himself, by being entangled in sin, creates hell for himself. God never created any hell."

Just then the exceedingly sweet voice of one of the high angels was heard from above saying, "God gives permission that this man may be brought into heaven." Eagerly the man stepped forward accompanied by two angels, but when they reached the door of heaven, and saw the holy and light-enveloped place and the glorious and blessed inhabitants that dwell there, he began to feel uneasy. The angels said to him, "see how beautiful a world is this! Go a little farther, and look at the dear Lord sitting on His throne." From the door he looked, and then as the light of the Sun of Righteousness revealed to him the impurity of his sin-defiled life, he started back in an agony of self-loathing, and fled, with such precipitancy, that he did not even stop in the intermediate state of the world of spirits, but like a stone he passed through it, and cast himself headlong into the bottomless pit.

Then the sweet and ravishing voice of the Lord was heard saying, "Look, My dear children, none is forbidden to come here, and no one forbade this man, nor has any one asked him to leave. It was his own impure life that forced him to flee from this holy place, for, 'Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God' (John 3:3).

The Visions of Sadhu Sundar Singh

Sundar Singh was born in 1889 into a wealthy Sikh family in Rampur, India. At the age of 14, on the night before a planned suicide, he cried out to God to show himself. Jesus appeared to Sundar in a vision saying, “I died for you. I am the Savior of the world.” This encounter was so powerful, that Sundar dedicated his life to following Jesus and sharing the Gospel.

Sadhu Sundar Singh

Also confirmed by this quote from Anton Sawyer as well...

You know what He said? “I’m coming to visit my people and My glory is awesome.” I said, “God, ‘I don’t understand your glory?” I have a grandson which I absolutely adore. He said, “What do you desire the most?” I said, “I want to love that grandson. I want to hold and kiss him and love him.” “What if I told you that my glory was upon you and you couldn’t even look at that grandson?”

I said, “God that would be the cruelest thing you could ever do to me because I know I would forget. I would want to touch him and that child disintegrate in front of me.” God says, “That’s what my glory does to sin.” God said, “Adam and Eve were in the garden, clothed with my glory. We communed face-to-face. When they sinned the glory fell and I wanted to embrace them but I didn’t because my glory would consume them.” So God the Father had to back off and Jesus became the way. Jesus stands between us and the Father.

You know, the sun shining down on this earth. It’s got two deadly rays. If they weren’t deflected by the earth’s atmosphere we would be consumed. If Jesus didn’t stand between us and the Father, we would be consumed. But you know what Jesus says? He said Bride I am getting you ready for Glory. I will purify you, I will make you Holy because I want to present you to my Father without blame, faultless, spotless that He may touch you, that He may embrace you, that He may hold you to His bosom without you being consumed.

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originally posted by: UniFinity


what do you think about reincarnation then? what or who reincarnates?

Before 'reincarnation' can be discussed - 'incarnation' must be understood. The more you learn about 'incarnation', the more you will learn about 'reincarnation'.
Are you in a body?

originally posted by: optimisitcplanetFor example i ate a cut up pineapple in the afterlife realm and it tasted half the taste of eating pineapples on earth. I have even bathed on the oceans in the afterlife, and felt the water.

im sorry but it this sounds like something a child would say. my BS meter is going off like a fire siren after reading that nonsense.

Each to their own, im not forcing this information down your throat. Im just sharing ''my'' experience

a reply to: optimisitcplanet

The after life.

Life by scientific occultism is nuclear....after the life of nuclear is the evil spirit....who gets evicted from Planet Earth.

What does the holy literature state.....that the CHRIST spirit...holy oxygen and water evicts the devil/evil spirit out of the ALPHA MAN.

Where is the spirit of evil said to reside?

In the great deep.

What is the great deep....void of any form of material, but holds the evicted spirit.

Is the Void/astral region considered by spiritual literature to exist?

Yes.

Does the human life body exist anywhere except at the ground level in a huge oxygenated body?

No.

Can the human have a spirit that travels into the astral/void?

No, impossible for the physical spirit is supported by a higher light vibration....not a lesser vibration.

Nuclear or before life exists as a lower product and lower light vibration...as it is in our past.

Afterlife is not a condition that implies to human life....our higher spirit has always existed on the other side of the oxygenated atmosphere...as a pure origin light spirit communicating to its lower form..organic.

Organic life does not exist above mountain tops...we know this is true.

Can the human mind communicate with incoming astral/void signals/communications?

Of course it can, but the information is already formed.

What comes into the Earth's atmosphere?

Evil spirits allowed to enter the Earth because of scientific causes.

Are human lives changed by science/nuclear converting?

Yes.

Has human life considered being attacked by evil spirits before?

Yes.

What is this situation called?

Possession.....or the removal of the Holy SION....CHRIST SPIRIT.

What has been removed from our atmospheric spirit and Heaven....the CHRIST SPIRIT.

What is called the CHRIST SPIRIT by spiritual information....the spirit that returns to the Heavens as the Holy spirit...the Holy Ox or oxygen generation 1000 against the Satan spirit 1000.

Has science changed this condition?

Yes.

Has the human mind/human spirit and human brain been altered by incoming transmitted spiritual information?

Yes.

Any void which has an up and down is a pretty crappy void in my opinion.

The void is just a 1D perspective. You need an X,Y, and Z axis for a 3d environment. In the void, you only have 1 point of reference, yourself.

Look up any "creation in the void" myth, the solution to the void is to create additional points of reference, the Y and the Z. You start with one point in addition to your self. Now you can get closer and farther from that point, but you still can't move side to side or up and down. Without reference points, you can't have movement (I've actually flown so fast, everything blurred out, and I lost all sense of movement).

Get yourself a third reference point, and your primitive scene should start to fill it's self in

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
I believe that what Emanuel Swedenborg wrote about the myriad realms is most likely to be true: We end up in that place which is most in tune with our personal dispositionpsychology & spirit. Enjoy, and be blessed by what you

I hear that man. I've been to my own Swedenbogesque hell realm. And while it may have appeared as a hellish place to the casual observer, it was heaven for my mindset at the time.

a reply to: The Cusp

There is no myriad of realms.

There is only our life, our totally formed self...the self can express different forms of emotions.

Because science introduced Satan into our atmosphere as a radiated attack for converting the nuclear of dust into a fuel....the atmosphere gains many extra radiation light sounds.

These sounds interact with our mind and it gives our mind the impression of difference, when differenc is artificial and introduced.

As the ancients also caused Earth to release a huge amount of radiation after they incinerated a higher crystalline body....we have all suffered the mutated conditions in DNA, along with incorrect mind/brain information.

As I lived, I received personal notification that my own "keys" had been returned, and it allowed me to have a realization about our mind/physical self and spirit...as my own radiation light sounds had finally cooled back to the condition of emotional/physical ownership.

originally posted by: beenharmed
a reply to: The Cusp

There is no myriad of realms.

It's all one dream to me. The void is just seeing it from a 1D viewpoint.

Some excellent book suggestions, thank you.

Enlightenment is much more
than its cracked up to be.

Merry Christmas
Be safe, well and sane for your loved ones.
They need you.

originally posted by: optimisitcplanet
What do you think of my experiences? Have you had these experiences?

I think they're kind of a derivative mish-mash of different descriptions of a possible afterlife, with some science fiction tossed in for good measure. Wishes, dreams, hopes.

Unfortunately, "The Void" you talk about is in actuality the complete loss of consciousness where there is an infinity of no awareness and no sensations, including no sense of time. An eternity of nothingness where a thousand billion years is not even a second, and everything, including your perception of the universe, it completely and utterly gone.