Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and Hellfire

There is a great deal more about this Hermetic Order than meets the eye. It was the personal coven of the Rothschilds. You did not have to be a member to attend the general meetings nor practice the rituals of the leaders. The influence of it includes many Fabians and a massive amount of the societal influence it generated lasted well past it's zenith and eventual demise, or fin de siecle. There were inner sanctum courses for those who did not desire to be what is known as a 'solitary' in many of the crafts or majik.

George Bernard Shaw is included in the people who fell under it's sway as we see in this book. books.google.ca... I draw Gertrude Stein's Charmed Circle in Paris into this same ethos and rise of philosophical and creative interest.

It is within this cadre of magicians or adepts that I think we might find the sorcerers who succeeded in putting visions in the minds or dreams of people like Cecil Rhodes and Hitler. I have reported on this in other threads included in the forum Seers and Prophets.

London School of Economics


George Bernard Shaw and his mistress Florence Farr of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (the more 'charmed' circle) are of paramount interest to my research. When I see Shaw being supportive of the communist effort and yet perhaps not fully aware of the corporate nature of Bolshevism - I wonder. Especially so - when I see him operating with the Merovingian Bertrand Russell and being a founder of the London School of Economics. But the reader might have to read my books on the Physiocrats and the Hegelian Dialectic to get a fuller picture of these issues.

"LSE has a glorious history. Our founders Beatrice and Sidney Webb, George Bernard Shaw, and Graham Wallas worked with thinkers like Bertrand Russell to create an institution which could study human society, seek to understand and then improve it. Many social science subjects originated at LSE or were developed here. We can look at our past and see men and women who engaged with society and left a lasting contribution to the world we live in." (1)

There is no area of culture or media that is not used by social engineers and sophisticated manipulators. This is totally OK as far as I am concerned. I have no difficulty with the homogenization of culture as long as appreciation for ethnic art is maintained and it seems this can happen alongside that homogenization. But there is a larger ethical component to these efforts which are not exposed. The Black Ops programs that utilize all culture or fund the prevailing paradigm are serious matters of concern for me. But hey, what the heck - I am just a paranoid nutcase eh? If one looks deep into the history of the Saxons they will find this is a decidedly not 'new' World Order. Here is someone beating a Francophone tune that has to do with the google-izing force of Americanization or the New World Order proclaimed on the US dollar bill.

"Jeanneney voiced his fear of what that meant for the representation of France and Europe. Here are some excerpts from the letter published in Le Monde:

'The real issue is elsewhere. And it is immense. It is confirmation of the risk of a crushing American domination in the definition of how future generations conceive the world.'

'[T]heir criteria for selection will be profoundly marked by the Anglo-Saxon outlook.'"

Thomas Carlyle understood the need for a paternalistic benefactor or hero and he also knew there were few ethical people who rose to such heights. His protégé John Ruskin has influenced the world in many ways I think Carlyle and his Hibernian influenced Illuminati (study Goethe and William of Hesse please) might not have agreed with. However, I am more than a little aware of the Hegelian Dialectic or 'play both ends against the middle' program. You might wonder if this all makes any sense at all. It really does not. You might think I am the one who makes no sense. I assure you I know what I am talking about but it cannot be conveyed in one book or even two. Here is some more to chew on. It includes the Rothschild backed Cecil Rhodes and leads to many modern Rhodes or Bilderberg 'front' men like Bill Clinton and his CIA Director Woolsey who properly says the War on Terror is WWIV. All these wars were planned by the likes of Rothschild and Albert Pike as the 19th Century came to a close. Do not overlook Professor Oppenheim during the founding of the House of Rothschild and the Bavarian Illuminati - his kin include a good friend of mine John Oppenheimer.

"That "simple desire" had been firmly implanted in Rhodes' bosom at Oxford by John Ruskin. Ensconced as the first Slade Professor of Fine Arts at Oxford in 1870, Ruskin's influence reached to all corners of the earth and is still widely felt, though seldom recognized, today. 'He hit Oxford like an earthquake,' wrote historian Carroll Quigley, 'not so much because he talked about fine arts, but because he talked also about the empire and England's downtrodden masses, and above all because he talked about all three of these things as moral issues.' Tolstoy regarded him as one of the greatest minds of any time or nation. Gandhi carried his message to India. G.B. Shaw and his Fabian Socialist confreres popularized Ruskin's thought worldwide." (2)

I greatly admire Annie Besant too. She started India as much as Gandhi did. She was one of the very few women to be a Mason and her Fabian influences are many.

And why is this Hellfire Club important in the understanding of how abusive mere dilettantes with a little (EMPHASIS) knowledge of so-called occult matters will get? The Golden Dawn became the personal plaything of Aleister Crowley (not to suggest he had no knowledge) and Crowley's motto which became the motto of Hubbard's Scientology is seen all over the Hellfire Club in the following article. His works or books say he got it from a channelled Egyptian priest Ankhfonza do-do or whatever! Do what thou wilt - sure; but don't let your weenie wilt as the games begin. The monasteries were full of this behavior for centuries and the Cistercians like Bernard (see thread Does Society Need a St. Bernard) are proper places for Medmenham and bedlam.

" In 1750 though Dashwood leased Medmenham, a tumbledown 13th-century abbey, originally built by the Cistercian Order, close to his place in West Wycombe.

He rebuilt the abbey and had a motto from Rabelais reading “Fay ce que voudras”—“Do What Thou Wilt”—carved over the door. And they were in business, the business being pleasure."


www.thedailybeast.com...

A Royal Prince is likely the person known as Jack the Ripper and the Masons probably covered up the whole mess for him. But remember also these people did great things in the Royal Society which created the Enlightenment Experiment.

But how do we become all we can be (BE!) if we do not push the envelop or envelope that which is beyond our own ego and soul? I do not agree we should destroy those who do not develop their soul or know their ego as Anton LaVey did likely recommend. His saying "why is stupidity not painful", rings true to me.

Ruskin was a great supporter of the Pre Raphaelite Brotherhood
When the establishment dismissed them as is their wont

It is good to know there are enlightened people in positions of influence in the world
But they too have their enemies as the Bavarian Illuminati found out

a reply to: rtb1234

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a reply to: artistpoet

It is good to see something other than the knee-jerk response to en-light-enment. The Bavarian Illuminati were just a Jesuit outreach during a period the Jesuits were outlawed. They became a little more than that (you could say) with Thomas Jefferson saying Weishaupt was a philanthropist. But all second rate compared to St. Germain and what he set up in Vienna where the father of Hitler was brought to study and his Rothschild kin later gave him and Adolph and monetary legacy. Hitler spent five years of study there (as a Jew - see OSS Secret Wartime Report - The Mind of Adolph Hitler). The Alumbrados founded the Jesuits, and you might want to browse for my article Loyola the Luciferian.

originally posted by: rtb1234
There is a great deal more about this Hermetic Order than meets the eye. It was the personal coven of the Rothschilds. You did not have to be a member to attend the general meetings nor practice the rituals of the leaders. The influence of it includes many Fabians and a massive amount of the societal influence it generated lasted well past it's zenith and eventual demise, or fin de siecle. There were inner sanctum courses for those who did not desire to be what is known as a 'solitary' in many of the crafts or majik.

George Bernard Shaw is included in the people who fell under it's sway as we see in this book. books.google.ca... I draw Gertrude Stein's Charmed Circle in Paris into this same ethos and rise of philosophical and creative interest.

It is within this cadre of magicians or adepts that I think we might find the sorcerers who succeeded in putting visions in the minds or dreams of people like Cecil Rhodes and Hitler. I have reported on this in other threads included in the forum Seers and Prophets.

London School of Economics


George Bernard Shaw and his mistress Florence Farr of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (the more 'charmed' circle) are of paramount interest to my research. When I see Shaw being supportive of the communist effort and yet perhaps not fully aware of the corporate nature of Bolshevism - I wonder. Especially so - when I see him operating with the Merovingian Bertrand Russell and being a founder of the London School of Economics. But the reader might have to read my books on the Physiocrats and the Hegelian Dialectic to get a fuller picture of these issues.

"LSE has a glorious history. Our founders Beatrice and Sidney Webb, George Bernard Shaw, and Graham Wallas worked with thinkers like Bertrand Russell to create an institution which could study human society, seek to understand and then improve it. Many social science subjects originated at LSE or were developed here. We can look at our past and see men and women who engaged with society and left a lasting contribution to the world we live in." (1)

There is no area of culture or media that is not used by social engineers and sophisticated manipulators. This is totally OK as far as I am concerned. I have no difficulty with the homogenization of culture as long as appreciation for ethnic art is maintained and it seems this can happen alongside that homogenization. But there is a larger ethical component to these efforts which are not exposed. The Black Ops programs that utilize all culture or fund the prevailing paradigm are serious matters of concern for me. But hey, what the heck - I am just a paranoid nutcase eh? If one looks deep into the history of the Saxons they will find this is a decidedly not 'new' World Order. Here is someone beating a Francophone tune that has to do with the google-izing force of Americanization or the New World Order proclaimed on the US dollar bill.

"Jeanneney voiced his fear of what that meant for the representation of France and Europe. Here are some excerpts from the letter published in Le Monde:

'The real issue is elsewhere. And it is immense. It is confirmation of the risk of a crushing American domination in the definition of how future generations conceive the world.'

'[T]heir criteria for selection will be profoundly marked by the Anglo-Saxon outlook.'"

Thomas Carlyle understood the need for a paternalistic benefactor or hero and he also knew there were few ethical people who rose to such heights. His protégé John Ruskin has influenced the world in many ways I think Carlyle and his Hibernian influenced Illuminati (study Goethe and William of Hesse please) might not have agreed with. However, I am more than a little aware of the Hegelian Dialectic or 'play both ends against the middle' program. You might wonder if this all makes any sense at all. It really does not. You might think I am the one who makes no sense. I assure you I know what I am talking about but it cannot be conveyed in one book or even two. Here is some more to chew on. It includes the Rothschild backed Cecil Rhodes and leads to many modern Rhodes or Bilderberg 'front' men like Bill Clinton and his CIA Director Woolsey who properly says the War on Terror is WWIV. All these wars were planned by the likes of Rothschild and Albert Pike as the 19th Century came to a close. Do not overlook Professor Oppenheim during the founding of the House of Rothschild and the Bavarian Illuminati - his kin include a good friend of mine John Oppenheimer.

"That "simple desire" had been firmly implanted in Rhodes' bosom at Oxford by John Ruskin. Ensconced as the first Slade Professor of Fine Arts at Oxford in 1870, Ruskin's influence reached to all corners of the earth and is still widely felt, though seldom recognized, today. 'He hit Oxford like an earthquake,' wrote historian Carroll Quigley, 'not so much because he talked about fine arts, but because he talked also about the empire and England's downtrodden masses, and above all because he talked about all three of these things as moral issues.' Tolstoy regarded him as one of the greatest minds of any time or nation. Gandhi carried his message to India. G.B. Shaw and his Fabian Socialist confreres popularized Ruskin's thought worldwide." (2)

I greatly admire Annie Besant too. She started India as much as Gandhi did. She was one of the very few women to be a Mason and her Fabian influences are many.

And why is this Hellfire Club important in the understanding of how abusive mere dilettantes with a little (EMPHASIS) knowledge of so-called occult matters will get? The Golden Dawn became the personal plaything of Aleister Crowley (not to suggest he had no knowledge) and Crowley's motto which became the motto of Hubbard's Scientology is seen all over the Hellfire Club in the following article. His works or books say he got it from a channelled Egyptian priest Ankhfonza do-do or whatever! Do what thou wilt - sure; but don't let your weenie wilt as the games begin. The monasteries were full of this behavior for centuries and the Cistercians like Bernard (see thread Does Society Need a St. Bernard) are proper places for Medmenham and bedlam.

" In 1750 though Dashwood leased Medmenham, a tumbledown 13th-century abbey, originally built by the Cistercian Order, close to his place in West Wycombe.

He rebuilt the abbey and had a motto from Rabelais reading “Fay ce que voudras”—“Do What Thou Wilt”—carved over the door. And they were in business, the business being pleasure."


www.thedailybeast.com...

A Royal Prince is likely the person known as Jack the Ripper and the Masons probably covered up the whole mess for him. But remember also these people did great things in the Royal Society which created the Enlightenment Experiment.

But how do we become all we can be (BE!) is we do not push the envelop or envelope that which is beyond our own ego and soul? I do not agree we should destroy those who do not develop their soul or know their ego as Anton LaVey did likely recommend. His saying "why is stupidity not painful", rings true to me.

Magic, you say?

Yes, I should say Majik - I suppose.

Franklin was also a member of The Hellfire Club and you should know about John Dee and the [B]Necronomicon[/B] as mentioned in this excerpt.

[COLOR="#0000ff"] "John Montagu, Lord Sandwich (the face in the halo) and George Selwyn, (a close friend of Horace Walpole who visited in 1763) were among the inner circle of twelve. One of the female members, Lady Betty Germaine, became a particular friend of Walpole's; through her Walpole acquired one of Dr. Dee's celebrated scrying stones, the Angelic Stone, now in the British Museum. Mary Wortley Montagu, Lord Sandwich's grandmother and a member of the earlier Hellfire Club, was also said to have been a member.

The cloud quote is not taking it all now. Here is the rest.

Satirized in the novel Chrysal, or the Story of a Guinea by Charles Johnstone, and referenced in Charles Churchill's The Candidate, these Medmenhamites were a probable influence on Matthew Lewis's The Monk.

Nope still not all. Oh well - the important thing is Ben Franklin worked with these people on his Book of Prayer used by Christians - just like the KJV is coded by Francis Bacon - code is memes and NLP.

a reply to: rtb1234

Thank you for your reply,
I love to learn of the altruistic players throughout history
Those that make one think
Those who had a greater understanding of the Human condition and used that understanding for the common good
Often hated and vilified by state and church often they are the unsung hero's and heroins

Great thread

a reply to: rtb1234


Oh, for the love of God, have you ever spent time in the Golden Dawn? Have you ever participated in a ritual in your life?

And lastly, have you ever met or spent time with a Rothschild?

If not, maybe you should concede that you don't really know a damn thing about what you are talking about....

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
And lastly, have you ever met or spent time with a Rothschild?

I did last Friday.

I made sautéed duck breast and served it with a wonderful 2005 Lafite.

And, btw, it's not majik.... It's magic or magick, depending on where you are.

Furthermore, Golden Dawn does not have covens.... This isn't Wicca.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
And lastly, have you ever met or spent time with a Rothschild?

I did last Friday.

I made sautéed duck breast and served it with a wonderful 2005 Lafite.

And the sides? No freshly sacrificed baby parts? You know it isn't time for that yet.... Lol.

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
And the sides? No freshly sacrificed baby parts? You know it isn't time for that yet.... Lol.

I was fresh out of baby so I made duck frites and haricot vert.

Nom nom nom.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
And the sides? No freshly sacrificed baby parts? You know it isn't time for that yet.... Lol.

I was fresh out of baby so I made duck frites and haricot vert.

Nom nom nom.

Careful, the OP and his minions might start trying to make crazy associations to turn 'duck frites and haricot vert' into virgins and black majik.....lol

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
Careful, the OP and his minions might start trying to make crazy associations to turn 'duck frites and haricot vert' into virgins and black majik.....lol

If you ended up eating at my house you would think I used black magic in the kitchen.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
Careful, the OP and his minions might start trying to make crazy associations to turn 'duck frites and haricot vert' into virgins and black majik.....lol

If you ended up eating at my house you would think I used black magic in the kitchen.

Sounds like you need to throw a party for all your ATS friends...

I will bless the food...

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
Sounds like you need to throw a party for all your ATS friends...

I will bless the food...

Casa Augie is always open.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

It's just "magic" to me. I don't understand why people have to spell it in fancy/weird ways.

Whatever works for you though, as I'm a proponent of results -- hence chaos stuff for me. If I need to dress like Ronald McDonald and sing a Lionel Richie song to make something work/happen ... that's what I'll do.

There's so much obfuscation around Hermeticism. I wish I could just find something concrete that was the real deal and not some early 1900's new-age reinterpretation.

Anyway, all that "The Secret" stuff is just dumbed down "Hermeticism for Dummies" with about 90% of any actual Hermeticism removed. Not a bad money making scheme...kind of wish I had thought of it.

Oh, I don't actually own a Ronald McDonald suit...I do have a Battlestar Galactica uniform, but I don't know what kind of ritual or magic that would help with.

originally posted by: rtb1234
Franklin was also a member of The Hellfire Club and you should know about John Dee and the [B]Necronomicon[/B] as mentioned in this excerpt.

[COLOR="#0000ff"] "John Montagu, Lord Sandwich (the face in the halo) and George Selwyn, (a close friend of Horace Walpole who visited in 1763) were among the inner circle of twelve. One of the female members, Lady Betty Germaine, became a particular friend of Walpole's; through her Walpole acquired one of Dr. Dee's celebrated scrying stones, the Angelic Stone, now in the British Museum. Mary Wortley Montagu, Lord Sandwich's grandmother and a member of the earlier Hellfire Club, was also said to have been a member.

The cloud quote is not taking it all now. Here is the rest.

Satirized in the novel Chrysal, or the Story of a Guinea by Charles Johnstone, and referenced in Charles Churchill's The Candidate, these Medmenhamites were a probable influence on Matthew Lewis's The Monk.

Nope still not all. Oh well - the important thing is Ben Franklin worked with these people on his Book of Prayer used by Christians - just like the KJV is coded by Francis Bacon - code is memes and NLP.

Interesting thread OP.

I actually wrote a thread on influences of this kind regarding early computer development with the Homebrew Computer Club by author Steven Levy.

Steven Levy wrote for Wired magazine and has a great interest concerning John Dee and the language he developed or 'channelled.'

You may also want to read about the senior societies at American Ivy League schools as many of their traditions mirror closely the rituals of the old mystery schools which inspired TOGD and masonry.

-FBB

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It is under 'Wizards of Technology'
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originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
You may also want to read about the senior societies at American Ivy League schools as many of their traditions mirror closely the rituals of the old mystery schools which inspired TOGD and masonry.

Other way around, Masonry influenced the Ivy League groups as it predates all of them.