Community Bloodguilt

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: JackReyes

Dude... stop quoting scripture

You haven't got a clue what I've read or who I am... and preaching is "illegal procedure" on ATS

Unless they changed the rules...

Are you so scared that something of God's word will penetrate into the heart of someone?

I cannot stop sharing his word with people. I cannot. It reveals who you are. Either you reject it, and hate him, or you are drawn to him, because of being a meek and humble person who loves life. I don't know who you are. I don't. God does. And when you read his word, you are opening yourself to him.

Does that mean what was in the OP will not pass?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It only means that he will continue to look for people until the time has come.

originally posted by: Akragon
Isn't that really what most denominations do?

I haven't been arguing the case for any denomination.
I've been arguing the case for getting away from the denominational mindset.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Akragon
Isn't that really what most denominations do?

I haven't been arguing the case for any denomination.
I've been arguing the case for getting away from the denominational mindset.

Imagine that Jehovah is actively searching for you. He wants you to find him. Would you not let him find you? I cannot imagine you will not.

Does not God's word touch your heart?

Remember what he tells us:

(Romans 10:13-15) . . .For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

a reply to: JackReyes

Does that mean what was in the OP will not pass?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So...

what IF your religion is guilty of a crime...

That is.. leading people astray?

that is Not a judgement, only a question

originally posted by: JackReyes
Imagine that Jehovah is actively searching for you. He wants you to find him. Would you not let him find you? I cannot imagine you will not.

He found me, many decades ago, possibly before you were born.
You are not entitled to assume that I don't belong to God already, because that assumption is made without evidence.
Can you not see how arrogant that is? You might as well be a Roman Catholic.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: JackReyes

Does that mean what was in the OP will not pass?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So...

what IF your religion is guilty of a crime...

That is.. leading people astray?

that is Not a judgement, only a question

Then remember what will happen. In the finality the message is clear:

(Luke 21:34, 35) 34 “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you 35 as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth.

Do not imagine that what was foretold will not come to pass.

Community bloodguilt.

If people in your religion commit things worthy of death and are not forgiven because of repentance or expulsion the whole religion becomes culpable.

Jehovah sees it all.

And we all know who practices disfellowshipping.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: JackReyes
Imagine that Jehovah is actively searching for you. He wants you to find him. Would you not let him find you? I cannot imagine you will not.

He found me, many decades ago, possibly before you were born.
You are not entitled to asume that I don't belong to God already, because that assumption is made without evidence.
Can you not see how arrogant that is? You might as well be a Roman Catholic.

I can see it and understand what you're saying. That I know I am not arrogant is without question. Did you really feel the calling, do you know what it will be to see Jehovah to his face?

a reply to: JackReyes

If people in your religion commit things worthy of death and are not forgiven because of repentance or expulsion the whole religion becomes culpable.

O...k

So your religion is purity...

Forgiven for everything?

Could you explain how said "forgiveness" is given?

Preferably without Paul?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: JackReyes

If people in your religion commit things worthy of death and are not forgiven because of repentance or expulsion the whole religion becomes culpable.

O...k

So your religion is purity...

Forgiven for everything?

Could you explain how said "forgiveness" is given?

Preferably without Paul?

God is justice and purity. Do you not imagine he cannot have that on earth with imperfect men? Then, you need to really purify your heart.

a reply to: JackReyes
You are parrotting the arrogant assumptions and arguments which your denomination puts forward, just like (mutatis mutandis) a couple of Catholic members who had better remain nameless.
How an atheist became a Christian

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: JackReyes
You are parrotting the arrogant assumptions and arguments which your denomination puts forward, just like (mutatis mutandis) a couple of Catholic members who had better remain nameless.
How an atheist became a Christian

But you have seen no arrogance has been shown you. And no, I have been sharing God's word with you. And Jehovah is humble.

You really need to search yourself. You need help. You really need it if you are going to find life. I say it as a friend. Jehovah is giving you an opportunity, without a doubt, I can see it. You need to be able to see it. Pray to him for the ability to see it.

a reply to: Akragon
Forgiveness is given by first having the ability to empathise and then you can understand and when you truly understand the situation through an empathetic viewpoint, you then have no choice but to forgive or go into denial.

a reply to: JackReyes
But you are still assuming, without evidence, that I have not found God already- that I have not found life already.
THAT is what I am calling arrogant.
Please drop that assumption. You are not entitled to make it.

originally posted by: JackReyes

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: JackReyes

If people in your religion commit things worthy of death and are not forgiven because of repentance or expulsion the whole religion becomes culpable.

O...k

So your religion is purity...

Forgiven for everything?

Could you explain how said "forgiveness" is given?

Preferably without Paul?

God is justice and purity. Do you not imagine he cannot have that on earth with imperfect men? Then, you need to really purify your heart.

No.. I can not imagine it on this earth

We do not have the capacity as a species...

It has nothing to do with the heart of one person, but the collective... in which there is little to no "heart"

"the end" means nothing but more war... more selfishness... more deceit

Which really only adds to the idea that the god of this world is incompetent

Which is what Jesus said anyways... depending on what one reads of course

a reply to: JackReyes
I am not religious or better said my religion is very private. I can see no difference between an imam and a jehovahs witness. Both preach complete obedience to invented laws. the only laws that exist belong to nature and we are bound by them.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: JackReyes
But you are still assuming, without evidence, that I have not found God already- that I have not found life already.
THAT is what I am calling arrogant.
Please drop that assumption. You are not entitled to make it.

Who cares what I think. I know you care about God's word. Meditate on the things in God's word shown to you, that is enough, is it not?

If not, why not? God is really wanting to know. I know he does, because he was like that with me. He says so much in his word, for you to not figure it out, when he gives you his spirit, puzzles him. Yet he still understands we are made of dust, and prone to sin, and so he forgives us.

originally posted by: chewi
a reply to: JackReyes
I am not religious or better said my religion is very private. I can see no difference between an imam and a jehovahs witness. Both preach complete obedience to invented laws. the only laws that exist belong to nature and we are bound by them.

God's word means life. That is the difference. And if one day your eyes are open to it, you too, as a son of God, will be drawn to him.

a reply to: JackReyes
You are wasting your time, little papist, because God and I have already done all that work.
He told me to become part of the body of Christ.
He did not tell me to become part of your exclusive community.
You are the one who needs help, because you are not yet capable of grasping that there is a difference.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: JackReyes
You are wasting your time, little papist, because God and I have already done all that work.
He told me to become part of the body of Christ.
He did not tell me to become part of your exclusive community.
You are the one who needs help, because you are not yet capable of grasping that there is a difference.

I have never met a son of God that talked like that to another. Ever. And one, who rejected all scripture to the contrary. The fault lies in your heart.

(Jeremiah 17:9) . . .The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it?


Why do you reject Jehovah so vehemently? Why reject his word when you claim to love it? I really don't understand. Really. I don't know what that must be like. And what your heart must be.

He still appeals to your heart.

And still, until then, finally the prophecy in the OP will come to be. I only hope it will be after you figure it out.

originally posted by: JackReyes
I have never met a son of God that talked like that to another. Ever.

You make me angry with the smug and unmitigated arrogance of your assumption that I have not found God already.
If you can recognise me as a son of God, then you know in your heart that it is a false assumption.
I have told you before that you need to stop making it

And one, who rejected all scripture to the contrary.

I have rejected no scripture in this thread.There is no scripture that identifies your specific community as the only one belonging to God.

Why do you reject Jehovah so vehemently? Why reject his word when you claim to love it?

How many times do I have to tell you that I have not rejected God, or his word?
I have refused to join your specific community.
THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING.
Vehemence seems to be the only way of getting past your pig-headed unwillingness to listen to what anyone says.

I belong to Christ NOW. Please take that on board.