Man rapes grand-daughter, mom kills her

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I generally do not click on horrible stories but stumbled upon this and just the barbarity in the 21st century truly shocked me.

An Egyptian man pulled his two-year-old granddaughter from her mother’s arms while she was asleep and raped her, prompting the mother to kill her daughter to avert a scandal, newspapers in the Arab country reported on Thursday.

The 59-year-old grandfather, identified as Faraj, waited for his daughter Merfat, 23, to go to bed before pulling her daughter out of bed and raping her in his room at their house in the East-central town of Sohag.

Newspapers said the mother, after discovering what happened, drowned her daughter in a water bucket to avert a scandal in the conservative countryside town.

So she killed her poor victim daughter to avert a scandal! I mean WTF?! Is the scandal of your dad raping your daughter so culturally important that it overrides the sanctity of life in 'conservative' parts of Egypt.

To me this indicates a deeply ingrained dark cultural stain in that country, so I did a bit of reading and it would seem that women being killed for 'honor' and other such face saving reasons is not so uncommon there.

The UN are well aware of it and this Report - sorry pdf format details the limited information they have, but I wouldn't want to be a woman in 'conservative' parts of Egypt:

Information collected showed also that means used in honour killing ranged from strangling, burning, forcing the woman to take poison, or throwing her from the window. Killing the girl is not only for establishing pre-marital relationships but also for marrying someone the family does not approve. In honour crimes committed by the brother, it was found that in many cases the murderer admits quickly the crime to the police because he feels proud of his act and believes that his tribe or community should know and value what he has done. Mothers sometimes commit honour crimes

Can you imagine, actually proud to admit it to the tribal 'justice' system? And it gets worse:

Article 17 of the Egyptian Penal code allows judges to decrease the sentences given in
the case of murder when they decide that the condition of the murderer requires so. Such reductions reach as little as six months that could also be spent during the trial. Therefore the murderer can escape being imprisoned and walks free.

It then got me thinking about the situation with honour killings in the UK and I found this tragic report from Emily Dyer, a Research Fellow at The Henry Jackson Society. She specialises in women’s rights, as well as Islamism and terrorism. She authored Marginalising Egyptian Women, having spent time in Cairo interviewing leading members of the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt’s women’s rights movement.

Link >> again pdf format sorry

Most reported UK ‘honour’ killings and attempted killings have been carried out against people of South Asian origin, the majority
of whom have Pakistani ethnic origin. This finding is largely reflected in the calls received in 2013 by the charity Karma Nirvana’s
helpline for victims of forced marriage and HBV. Where the caller’s ethnicities were known, the group received the following: British Pakistani (821 calls) and Pakistani (509 calls), followed by British Indian (462 calls), and Indian (216 calls). These were then followed by British Bangladeshis (210 calls), Arabic (67 calls), and White British (41 calls)

Now when you consider that the UK ethnic demographics break down as follows: white 87.2%, black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%, Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%, Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%, mixed 2%, other 3.7% one has to ask the question why is this barbaric practice carried out in such a disproportionately high percentage of these small ethnic populations?

Now before people start bleating "Racism!" or "Not all ethnic minority people do this!" etc, I AM NOT MAKING THE ASSERTION THAT THEY DO, just that such horrific practices are shockingly more common in non-white-British ethnic groups, and there is clearly a cultural problem which needs addressing somewhere.

Backwards and barbarous practices have no place in the 21st century, and I hope people who carry out such activities are prevented from entering the UK and bringing their disgusting cultural 'norms' with them.

This makes me physically sick to my stomach!

It needs to be taken to the UN Human Rights Council.....oh wait....Saudi Arabia heads it....never mind.

As far as the racial statistics....we should have let evolution do its thing a long time ago, imo. These people that do these things are animals, both the perpetrators and the ones that cover it up.

I would have drowned the old man in the water bucket....strange world views when you blame the innocent child for being raped and then kill her to protect her.

Awful story with an awful ending. I hope the judge tosses them both away and doesn't share the mothers ideology.



a reply to: grainofsand

a reply to: grainofsand

Well that ruined my breakfast.

You're suppose to kill the raper, not the victim.

blah blah blah "religion" *cue the guy w the stupid hair*

I would say, these are the non British borned migrants you are talking about in your last paragraph. Usually they come from poor backgrounds, where they themselves may have been abused, thus having it engrained in their psychy.

Human past had much more rape, torture and savagery as a whole. Just recently, better living conditions etc made the difference.

At the end of the day, we are all the products of rape. Our cave men days did not have a lot of consensual sex. This world was much more savage, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world. Its remnants are still visible.

originally posted by: grainofsand
Backwards and barbarous practices have no place in the 21st century, and I hope people who carry out such activities are prevented from entering the UK and bringing their disgusting cultural 'norms' with them.

While the story is a sad reflection on a culture that puts family "honour" at the fore, it has to be said that the UK is attempting to tackle "backward practices". In the UK it illegal to force marriage, take people abroad for female genital mutilation and a host of other things.

I the UK the uncovering of predominantly Pakistani-led gangs of paedophiles has hardened hearts and given a real push to tackle some of these barbaric practices. Remember, these practices are directly mostly at women.

Wow, disappointed this has been moved to the 'People' forum, I certainly considered it a Social Issue, but I guess if ATS deems it to be just general off-topic 'people' chat then so be it, not my house, not my rules.
I'll probably ignore the thread myself now, I rarely post in the shallow 'People' forum, and if the topic is too much of a hot potato for ATS then I'll take the subtle warning and let it be.

*Edit*
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Welcome to the Off-Topic People Forum.
If you are into celebrities this is the place for you.

originally posted by: asen_y2k


At the end of the day, we are all the products of rape. Our cave men days did not have a lot of consensual sex. This world was much more savage, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world. Its remnants are still visible.

I guess that justifies it all. Rapes back on, rape with impunity.

Just make sure to kill the victim, that way you don't bring "dishonor" lol whtever that is. Caveman no-like dishonor.

originally posted by: Lysergic

originally posted by: asen_y2k


At the end of the day, we are all the products of rape. Our cave men days did not have a lot of consensual sex. This world was much more savage, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world. Its remnants are still visible.

I guess that justifies it all. Rapes back on, rape with impunity.

Just make sure to kill the victim, that way you don't bring "dishonor" lol whtever that is. Caveman no-like dishonor.

As I said, sadly, this behavior is still quite visible in humanity. Even the British royalty is not immune to it.I hope the future will be better.

a reply to: asen_y2k

What makes a person rape another?

Some sort of impulse control failure?

Perhaps if the perpetrator was held accountable more often in other cultures instead blaming the victim. that right there is a major #ing problem.

Not to be on a rape crusade, it's just disgusting. Let alone to rape your own family...

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: asen_y2k

What makes a person rape another?

Some sort of impulse control failure?

Perhaps if the perpetrator was held accountable more often in other cultures instead blaming the victim. that right there is a major #ing problem.

Not to be on a rape crusade, it's just disgusting. Let alone to rape your own family...

I would say, rapists are usually psychopaths, ones without empathy.

Mostly backward cultures, religious institutions of all kinds, by that I am also talking about the systematic pedophilic rape in churches, hindu culture of temple girls etc. Heck even royalty. As I said, sadly its engrained in our genes. Will take a long time to erase it.

a reply to: grainofsand

There's nothing else to call this but EVIL & IGNORANT! Do these people even have any concept of love? How can anyone kill their own daughter? This stupidity of following a religion that condones this crap makes me wonder if these people have any kind of intelligence or logical thinking.

This world would be much better off without "religion." The only religion people need to follow is the golden rule.

This is what really turns your stomach upside down.. and this absolutely should be in social issues forum not PEOPLE !
Social issue.. it is a sad reflection of a cultural "norms" that are still active in some parts of the World. This is social issue as it reflects the behavior and how the way people are raised up, what values they have been taught and how teaching what we see as wrong values could produce such an animals.

What we really see is hundreds years old system and idea that woman is only a vessel and man is the one who "has all what is needed to make a child " and if the child is a girl.. she is still a vessel. Where women has no rights and her voice is only half of the voice of a man.

Ther is a reason why islamic countries do not sign Human Rights as that would give some power to women.

This man is lowest kind of animal on the earth.. just disgusting .

Poor child ... she shouldn´t have to face this and i hope she would have been born to better family, a family that loved her.

Outside of honour-killings it seems like if you are raped and murdered your murderer tends to be the rapist, as opposed to a third party, and usually a family member.

I suppose for me thats my disconnect.

That kind of thinking, justification, it's just out of my scope.

It's like a scene out of one of those sub Horror movies over the top disgusting.

Fricken sickening how the value of a childs life is the equivalent of street trash, even to the childs parents.
This way of life NEEDS to be addressed. Oh wait thats racist for me to say....GOOD!
Get the freaking hint! A caveman had more of an ethical code than these savages.

Crazy people everywhere, folks. This isn't more Muslim hating is it?

Cue the Islamaphobes…

a reply to: grainofsand

Just noticed your edit..

Welcome to the Off-Topic People Forum. If you are into celebrities this is the place for you.

Who thinks this man who raped a child is a CELEBRITY? Someone has made a huge mistake by moving this thread from where it actually belongs.. social issues ! I hope it will be moved back.

WTF!!!! This is pure wrong on every level and makes me feel very nauseous!!! What the hell goes through these sick pedophiles minds to actually want to do that to a child??? Of all the crimes one can commit in the world to another human being id say paedophilia is by FAR the worst!!!

originally posted by: intrptr

Crazy people everywhere, folks. This isn't more Muslim hating is it?

Cue the Islamaphobes…

Do you read anything in my OP which indicates Islamaphobia? I have only spoken about barbaric cultural norms and quoted sources showing it is disproportionately high in certain ethnic groups compared to others.
Of course if you have alternative sourced figures to show otherwise then I am open as always to any new information?

Reasoned discussion is always better than silly soundbites fella, I'm sure you would agree.