Pete rose denied reinstatement

MLB says no to rose.
This whole thing remains a black eye for baseball.

www.usatoday.com...

I get that MLB is sticking to their rules,but,,,,
They ban Pete rose forever for gambling.
he didn't cheat.
He didn't throw games.
Yet guys that pumped the steroids to get a competitive advantage get a slap on the wrist.
pitchers that doctor the ball to get a bit more movement only get a chuckle.
For those that don't know, Pete can not participate in any teams on field activities including office positions.
players caught cheating can do anything they want after their suspension is over.
What a load of crap.

a reply to: Bluntone22

There is some very big money involved in major league sports.
If people thought that the players or management were throwing games, they might be less apt to bet on games.

That big money interest doesn't want Pete to get in the Hall of Fame.

He gambled large sums, including games in which he participated. Then he lied and denied the whole thing. When the records of his gambling were made public he finally admitted it. This was in direct violation of the rules of baseball which stated that gambling was prohibited in any amount, and he gambled thousands of dollars per game. The fact that he claims he never bet against the Reds is irrelevant and, given his previous history of lying, is debatable anyway. He also served time for tax evasion when he failed to report income. For many years he maintained an arrogant and belligerent attitude about his gambling.

And you think that's crap? I don't. He made his own bed. It's too bad a man of his obvious talent chose that path, but no one forced him to do it. There aren't any "extenuating circumstances."

He deserves what he got.

a reply to: schuyler

I have no issue with his punishment. He knew the risks.
My problem is the punishment other players get for cheating.
Barry Bonds broke hank arrons home run record by cheating. No consequences for him.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I have no issue with his punishment. He knew the risks.
My problem is the punishment other players get for cheating.
Barry Bonds broke hank arrons home run record by cheating. No consequences for him.

Due to all the backlash the rules on PDE's have been changed. If Bighead Bonds was playing now and got caught he would be suspended just like Alex Rodriguez was.

Rose knew the rules and why they were put in. The Black Sox scandal almost destroyed the sport and gambling has been the game's biggest taboo since the 1920's. If you have ever been inside a Major League clubhouse there are signs clearly posted about NOT gambling.

a reply to: Bluntone22

How do you know he didn't cheat or throw games. He has lied from the very beginning.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree


They never had proof he threw a game.
As far as I know he was never accused of cheating by mlb.
and every guy caught with steroids says they didn't use them. They lied to.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
They never had proof he threw a game.

He bet on 52 Reds games that he managed. It would be naïve to think the money he wagered did not influence his managerial decisions.

As far as I know he was never accused of cheating by mlb.

Because he refused to show up for the hearing. If he did not bet on the games why would he take the lifetime ban? Why not fight it in Federal Court as was scheduled? He is the one that agreed to settle out of court.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


You seem to think I'm defending rose, I'm not.
as I said above, he knew the consequences.
the only way I would defend him is by treating gambling as a disease. But by lying for so long he lost any chance at that defense.

I'm attacking baseball for not hammering down on other players that cheat to gain an advantage.
Take Gaylord perry. He had a pharmacy in his coat when he pitched. He's in the hall of fame.

look back at bonds and Sosa racing for 60 home runs. MLB knew damn well something fishy was going on. You are naive if you think they didnt.
They did nothing but look the other way.
They failed to retain the integrity of the game.
That's my problem.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: schuyler

I have no issue with his punishment. He knew the risks.
My problem is the punishment other players get for cheating.
Barry Bonds broke hank arrons home run record by cheating. No consequences for him.

You seem to be saying that you equate the two crimes, therefore there ought to be equivalent punishments, but the fact is that baseball accords gambling a greater crime, perhaps, as Augustus said, because of historical reasons. But the point is that the two cases are not the same. Besides which, Bonds was never convicted of using steroids at all. People only speculate that he did and further, the ban against steroids only came about in the middle of Bonds' playing career.

So you may not like the fact that Bonds was accused of using steroids, but that was not proven despite the "fact" that "everybody knows he did," and for half his career was not even considered illegal, but that is hardly equivalent to the proven fact that Rose gambled and lied about it.

So it's not crap at all.

Let's see if I got this right. Rose was punished under older rules. Or at least a time the rules were a lot less lax. And he should be allowed in now because the league is even MORE screwed up now? So solly Pete. Look how that's working in the NBA and NFL. Hell you can kill dogs now, go to jail and then get back in the league. I'm surprised Hernandez isn't released on game day to play. He's only in for murder.

I think this intransigence unfortunate. Yes, he broke the rules, but I have forgiven him his indiscretions.

It's been decades. MLB should recognize his contributions to the sport. Not doing so only makes MLB look rather small-minded and petty.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I'm attacking baseball for not hammering down on other players that cheat to gain an advantage.
Take Gaylord perry. He had a pharmacy in his coat when he pitched. He's in the hall of fame.

The rules and penalties are different for both actions. I am not saying what Perry, Bonds, et al did was acceptable, just that everyone in Major League Baseball knows the consequences of gambling.

look back at bonds and Sosa racing for 60 home runs. MLB knew damn well something fishy was going on. You are naive if you think they didnt.

I think they absolutely knew something was going on but did not care as they were still trying to do damage control resultant from the 1994 strike. Have you noticed however how many of those players from that era have made the Hall of Fame? McGuire, Bonds, Sosa Palmeiro, Clemens, etcetera, are not in and show no signs of ever getting in.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


They are voted in by writers mostly. MLB does not put them in the hall.
Those writers feel the same as me for the most part, that's why most of those players will never be voted in.
MLB is not keeping the players out.

And again I'm not defending rose. His punishment was set in stone.
I also still believe baseball has dropped the ball "pardon the pun" dealing with competitive balance.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
I think this intransigence unfortunate. Yes, he broke the rules, but I have forgiven him his indiscretions.

It's been decades. MLB should recognize his contributions to the sport. Not doing so only makes MLB look rather small-minded and petty.

He blew any chance to be forgiven when he refused to admit his involvement with gambling.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
They are voted in by writers mostly. MLB does not put them in the hall.

However the end result is the same. They are all pretty much persona non grata and unless the Veterans Committee takes pity on their cheating asses 20 years from now will most likely not get in the Hall of Fame.

And again I'm not defending rose. His punishment was set in stone.

I agree. He knew the consequences and for him to claim otherwise is dishonest.

I also still believe baseball has dropped the ball "pardon the pun" dealing with competitive balance.

I think it is good. The Royals were the first team in some time with the best record to go on and win the World Series.

My father was and still is a huge baseball fan, so I've heard a lot about Pete Rose. Dude without a doubt was an amazing athlete regardless of his "wrongs". When put into the context that he never bet against his team, I personally believe, it diminishes the wrongness of his actions. For as long as the man is alive he won't be considered for the Hall of Fame,rules are rules, however when he passes I'd bet he gets a mention. Not that it matters anyway the internet knows his achievements and the internet never forgets. Let Pete be a lesson to anyone who wants to be professionally involved in a game. Follow the rules.

IDKFA

a reply to: ApparentlyStupid

I'm an old fart and if it hadn't been for the Expos I probably would have been a Reds fan. Loved the team and Pete was the sparkplug. I was in the same camp as, "Well he's suffered long enough." Then I see what that mentality has done to my sport(NFL) and I just can't support him anymore.

If that's the case then everyone who has cheated, no matter the method, should have their records and awards revoked.

E V E R Y O N E .

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
If that's the case then everyone who has cheated, no matter the method, should have their records and awards revoked.

E V E R Y O N E .

They pretty much are. MANY examples lately. Lance Armstrong?