Here’s What a Man Who Studied Every Suicide Attack in the World Says About ISIS’ Motives

a reply to: nullafides

Ok, fair enough.
I hope you can understand the leap, given the fact how well explained your meaning replying to me, instead of that 'i wanna be at the front of the queue one liner' earlier.

IMO, experts know alot, but no body knows everything. I'm glad the OP brought it to the table for discussion though. Now , as we do, will break it down for what it's worth.

a reply to: peter vlar

id say it is easier to find texts in the Quran that condone violence than in say, the teachings of christ. but i wouldnt defend any major religion as not having any bad texts

a reply to: Swills

I'm not interested in reading about something that I believe is mostly fake. Least of all a "study" which attempts to lend credibility to the concept I consider a hoax.

Yes, zero suicide bombings in the US. Seems to happen daily elsewhere, but here in the land of The Great Satan, zilch. I'm just skeptical of the whole thing.

Which US terror attacks do you think are legit?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That was just the start of it, there were air campaigns led against ISIS. Guess you don't recall the female Saudi fighter pilot making headlines or the Jordanian pilot captured and burnt alive in a cage? Iran has been activity involved in fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Egypt has been fighting ISIS in Egypt and Libya. Iraq is obviously fighting against ISIS in Iraq. Turkey is fighting ISIS at home and allowing NATO to use its air bases to strike ISIS. Just because you're not aware of these things doesn't mean it didn't happen.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: peter vlar

id say it is easier to find texts in the Quran that condone violence than in say, the teachings of christ. but i wouldnt defend any major religion as not having any bad texts

You might be surprised about what all someone can find. Even more shocked about who can tell who said what also.

a reply to: mOjOm

right so the bible is just as bad as the Quran. great. you know what's even better? secularism and modern philosophy

a reply to: xuenchen

Robert Pape, a political scientist at the University of Chicago and founder of the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism

Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism

Why am I not surprised you would belittle him by calling him just an author of a book?

Well funded controlled opposition? I love how you curtail real world issues with conspiracy theories that you have provided no base for. Substance of your posts, where is it?

originally posted by: Swills
Iran has been activity involved in fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

And you just proved my point. Iran is a huge state sponsor of terrorism. They are not fighting terrorism, which was your claim, they are fighting a particular group that they dislike.

Iran is fighting Daesh because they are threatened by them. They are not fighting terrorism, they are spreading it.
www.theguardian.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

Just because you are not aware of these things does not mean they are not happening.

a reply to: Urantia1111

I have no interest in discussing a topic with someone who refuses to read the article in the OP. So no suicide bombers on September 11, 2001? Or does that not count because they weren't wearing a vest attached with explosives?

Either way, I guess we both can move on, right?

originally posted by: vjr1113

right so the bible is just as bad as the Quran. great. you know what's even better? secularism and modern philosophy

Neither one is good or bad. They are just books and stories. That's what I've been saying if you would try and listen rather than get defensive.

People will interpret things differently, some good some bad. The information itself isn't anything but words on a page. How someone decides to apply the ideas being represented is where you get the good and bad.

I'm not comparing to see which one is better or worse because that doesn't matter. They both have ideas which are the same though which should be interesting and might help answer a few things if you look at it for what it is rather than what you think it should be.

a reply to: mOjOm

im sure i said islam can be peaceful if it's extreme verses were discouraged. have a nice day.

you will learn that if you critique the quaran you will be labeled as ignorant and or racist. (even though islam isn't a race)

a reply to: Swills



I said I don't hold all Muslims accountable, I blame only those individuals who perpetrate the crimes. I also said that I don't believe in the manufactured titles of "Radical" or "Extreme" and "Moderate" Islam.

I have been paying attention to what the Western Muslim comminity has been saying and what I'm hearing is muffled compared to what it should be. Perhaps the media isn't giving it the exposure it deserves when Muslims speak out but either way, it's not loud enough.

I followed the "Not in my Name" campaign after the Paris attacks and I hope that voice becomes louder until the world's Muslim population drowns out the Jihadist cries of the terrorists. The terrorists won't have their Religeous beliefs to use as a weapon because their faith has denounced them. What Muslim nations are you referring to that are fighting ISIS? This is an ideological war and NO military intervention will ever win it.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: mOjOm

im sure i said islam can be peaceful if it's extreme verses were discouraged. have a nice day.

What??? Are you all mad now because I pointed out that the bible isn't a whole lot different than the Koran in what it teaches??? So you're just going to dismiss me and the whole discussion now???

After all, the difference between the Christians of the Crusades and the Christians of today is the fact that the extreme verses that were followed back then are discouraged or ignored today. Interesting huh???

And thank you, I will have a nice day.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No matter how you try to spin it, you asked what Arab nations were fighting ISIS. Funny how you only focus on Iran and ignored the rest while trying to say I'm proving some point of yours. Not surprised at all.

Wheres your outrage against Saudi Arabia? You know, the birth place of wahhabism and where the majority of hijackers on 9/11 came from?

Guess what, it's not a perfect world and it's definitely not as simple as black and white.

a reply to: mOjOm

im not mad at you. in fact thanks for pointing out christianity has faults too.

originally posted by: vjr1113
you will learn that if you critique the quaran you will be labeled as ignorant and or racist. (even though islam isn't a race)

When you critique the bible you're called ignorant, sinner, satanist, foolish, blasphemer, etc.

When you critique Evolution you're called ignorant, fundamentalist, etc.

When you critique any ideology you're called those things by those who don't critique it.

a reply to: mOjOm

hah yea i guess that's true. i try to be nice about it though.

originally posted by: mOjOm

After all, the difference between the Christians of the Crusades and the Christians of today is the fact that the extreme verses that were followed back then are discouraged or ignored today. Interesting huh???

Which verses specifically were used as justification for the Crusades?

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: vjr1113

right so the bible is just as bad as the Quran. great. you know what's even better? secularism and modern philosophy

Neither one is good or bad. They are just books and stories. That's what I've been saying if you would try and listen rather than get defensive.

People will interpret things differently, some good some bad. The information itself isn't anything but words on a page. How someone decides to apply the ideas being represented is where you get the good and bad.

I'm not comparing to see which one is better or worse because that doesn't matter. They both have ideas which are the same though which should be interesting and might help answer a few things if you look at it for what it is rather than what you think it should be.

I was raised Catholic but I am no longer with the church. In my time as a Catholic I can honestly say the only thing I was ever 'instructed' to do was share the joy of my faith in the Lord. Pretty simple. We all know there are recovered tapes and pamphlets as well as websites that preach violence in the name of Islam. I am not sure an even comparison can be made. That doesn't mean either one is about nothing but murder. But if I had to chose the one more likely to promote violence, I would have to say the Quran. Is that a reasonable assessment?

I'll use Christmas as an example of how almost anything can be misused and misinterpreted since we are all in the holy-day season and all.

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake

What some read as a cute Christmas song I might read and if obsessed about make into an ideology that makes me act in illogical ways.

I don't dare pout or cry ever and you know why??? Because Santa is coming and if I do I'll be put on the naughty list!! I don't want that. Even when I'm alone I would never do anything naughty, because he'll see you. If you're awake or sleeping it doesn't matter. He sees everything and sure enough he's coming and when he gets here you don't want to be on that naughty list or it's your ass!!

That's just a quick example but I think it illustrates my point and it fits the season of being jolly too.