U.S. Lawmakers Make STUNNING Move To Investigate Obama For Helping ISIS

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: CallYourBluff

Where does Wesley Clark say that the United States will deliberately covertly fund terrorist groups in Syria?

I'm not really sure how to respond to such an asinine post. Try meditating for a while and you might come up with answer to your question.

wasn't hillary going to prison? funny that's no longer in the news. what happened? this feels similar. regardless of who's making the claims, or it's validity, this feels like a new meme to keep tensions high between people and their biases.

this too shall pass.

a reply to: CallYourBluff

I'm not really sure how to respond to such an asinine post. Try meditating for a while and you might come up with answer to your question.

Wesley Clark does not say that the US plans to covertly fund terrorists in Syria, does he? Then why do yopu want people to think he does? Wesley Clark is criticizing the Neo-Cons' naïve strategy and pointing out its unintended consequences. If you cannot explain yourself, name calling does not help your case.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: SoulSurfer

Translation: You cannot find a reliable source that backs up your claim. Presstv and RT.com issue unsubstantiated claims that are reprinted verbatim by globalresearch, EU Times, beforeitsnews and all the other sites that disseminate propaganda tailored for the conspiracy theory crowd. This then looks like multiple sources confirming your bias.

You have been challenged to back up your claim using multiple, reliable sources, to examine the credibility of those sources, and to apply critical thinking to the claims they make. Do not lecture about the process, do it. If you make a claim, it is your responsibility to support it with evidence, and no-one else's. If you are unwilling or unable to back up your claim, please withdraw it.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong

Translation: I am tired of posting the same **** over and over , when people should know better. I did MY homework. Its time for YOU to do your own.

It is more of a :"I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LAZY" kinda thing. But nice FALSE assumption.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: Sparkymedic

Sorry but I disagree. Just because they did something once, doesn't automatically mean they do it again.

I know it's the conspiracy theorists main go to, this leap in logic, but you need to fill that 20-30 year gap with something more substantial.

Good for you. Now ask me if I care.

How many governments have been toppled since the 1980's, due to subversion from Western powers? Let alone before the Russian/Afghanistan war in the 1980's? What has happened since the creation/financing of the Mujahedeen? I think it's pretty safe to assume these actions have not ceased. More like, you need to prove that this DOESN'T happen anymore.

Since 9/11, the Clandestine Services (Directorate of Ops) basically exploded with support and "funding" (it was all secretive and no need to submit receipts kinda thing to begin with though).

Hmmmm, I wonder if they just sit in their office's playing solitare on super computers.

Ya, they probably have nothing to do with anything these days.

BTW, thanks for contributing and not being lazy.

I'm not going to sit on here and write an essay. I have written much too many outside of the internet and now I have a life.

Seeing that you are on the information superhighway yourself, maybe you can do your own research and add to what I am saying, or prove me wrong. I'm merely making comments, opinions if you will. Which really aren't worth anything.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: CallYourBluff

Where does Wesley Clark say that the United States will deliberately covertly fund terrorist groups in Syria?

Wesley doesn't say that specifically. I'm not answering for CallYourBluff or trying to interrupt but I want to make note of something.

That particular video was published on Nov. 23, 2012 and the first I saw of it was this week as far as I remember. I don't know when Wesley actually gave that talk but there's a case of a retired U.S Army General recounting a war plan for the Middle East hatched back in 2001 as relayed to him at the time which validates the same plan reported on some conspiracy websites back then. So, what certain conspiracy websites were reporting in 2001 (right after 9-11) concerning the plan to take down various Middle Eastern countries besides Iraq matches what Wesley stated at a future date.

Perhaps that is redundant to some but not to me.

a reply to: netbound
I dont know where you stand either, netbound, so this is not a personal attack against you unless you fall into this group, but here goes:

Well, apparently where i stand is alone. Because im not part of any of these ridiculous camps of liars. Trump, Hillary, any of them. I like Trump simply because he says some things i agree with, that annoy the "typical politician" type. Besides that, he's a front-runner in the US presidential campaign - Therefor above all else, is not to be trusted by any of "us", the peasants.

I stand with the real American people, and that would place me standing completely opposing anyone with (D) or (R) in front of their name. Those people are simply LABELED American for consumers who like the label, they don't have it in their hearts or minds, and they've actually STRIPPED it from the majority of those who follow them and replaced it with BRAND LOYALTY.

They follow fools, they behave like fools, and they mock anyone who chooses to think before they speak as apposed to parroting what they have heard on your 24 hour government propaganda networks.

Democrats and Republicans/ The Left vs. Right Dip# Hour, is the cancer that is killing this country. If you cannot see that, it is because you are part of the malignant mass.

Call your bluff has the right angle above---the Covert Operation Obama is working off of in his foreign policy.

The US government however we all hare it operate off of operational modes not do what you want to do at anytime.

Obama would have to counteract or rescind the finding that his policy is based on.


Obama doesn't have the independent leadership capacity to do that


He sits in the white house a frightened chicken just going and getting along doing nothing dynamic or righteous

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Hey, if you are tired of typing the same thing over and over again, just copy and paste it. Of course, first you would actually need to do some research. I am challenging you because my research is at odds with yours. How can I critique your research if you refuse to publish it?

a reply to: tweetie


Correct. Wesley Clark is denouncing ambitious plans the have been repudiated by the current administration. He would not be denouncing them if they were still active policy, would he?

Okay Americans do you really think Obama makes military decisions? like really makes the decisions? Also have you actually thought that maybe if he did help ISIS that it was actually for the better? Have you thought that maybe having a new gas pipeline through Syria is actually a good idea so that Europe doesn't have to rely on a hostile nation like Russia?

Have you thought that maybe you have no idea about world matters? especially military matters? Have you thought that there is the way it is and the way it ought to be and that ideally we would love to live in a peaceful world but thats just not how the world works because people will always find a way to conflict with each other?

Have you thought that maybe you should leave national matters up to the people who have trained, have all the intel (actually are privy to top secret information) and actually are in the position to make national decisions? Have you thought that all you are doing is dividing the nation causing animosity towards your own nation?
reply to: xuenchen

a reply to: CliffoCambridge

Just got activated, huh?

Russia has given away more gas than the European Union has stolen.

Cry me a river...

a reply to: xuenchen

Sorry, blaming Obama for stuff is like blaming mob lawyers for what the godfathers do. Everyone knows who is on trial here.

The deflection, the sacrificial lamb, is the president. They are "opening an investigation" (sound the trumpets).

I'm changing channels…

a reply to: DJW001

I can always tell where the truth lies, you come out and bury that subject under an avalanche of deflection.

CONNECT THE DOTS!

Make the connections and look at recent history:

What Wesley Clark said about 7 ME countries to be destabilized

Iraq we all know of

Then Libya destroyed by NATO

My idea of a COVERT OPERATION the US is running connects to what Wesley Clark’s was alluding to ( destabilize 7 ME countries)


The US doesn’t do things will-nilly…They operate on long term policy that usually transcends administrations


Sure a president can change things but that has to be done on a certain level.

Obama apparently didn’t change the COVERT OPERATION of destabilizing 7 ME countries.

Though he could and did change the operation of the Iraq war ending to his liberal-type anti-interventionist policy-- he didn’t change the COVERT OPERATION.

Remember Benghazi?

That was actually to run guns from Libya to the Syria War we all know now, right?

That was within the COVERT OPERATION to destabilize 7 ME countries—here Libya and Syria.

That was the State Department and a CIA operation

Who by law runs this COVERT OPERATION I speak of?

The State Department and the CIA!

a reply to: SoulSurfer

ISIS is a creation of the House of Saud.

A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[76]

en.wikipedia.org...

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, IPA /ˈaɪsəl/), alternatively translated the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS, i/ˈaɪsɨs/),[28] s a Salafi jihadist militant group that adheres to an Islamic fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine of Sunni Islam

When in October 2004, al-Zarqawi swore loyalty to Osama bin Laden, he renamed the group again to Tanẓīm Qāʻidat al-Jihād fī Bilād al-Rāfidayn

In January 2006, AQI merged with several other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.[57] After al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006, the Mujahideen Shura Council merged in October 2006 with several more insurgent factions to establish ad-Dawlah al-ʻIraq al-Islāmiyah, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI),[58] led by Abu Omar al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri,[59] who were killed in a US–Iraqi operation in April 2010, being succeeded by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as the group's new leader

en.wikipedia.org...

The civil war in Syria, whose Alawite regime Saudi Arabia's Sunny monarchy has long plotted against, and the prospect of a war with Shiite Iran over its reported drive to acquire nuclear weapons, preoccupy Riyadh while, Abdallah, Canute-like, strives to keep the democratic wave from breaking on its shores.

His elevation to chief of Saudi Arabia's vast intelligence network, and the unlimited funds it controls, came only one day after the embattled Damascus regime was battered by the loss of four of President Bashar Assad's most important security chiefs in a bombing inside the heavily guarded national security headquarters.

www.upi.com...

AQ and ISIS same thing is solely owned, and operated by the House of Saud.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
Conspiracy is reality. Once again validated.

right...because right-wing republican politicians, and the writers on a tea party blog say so......

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

So Ignore the current Potus downplaying the threat of ISIS.

Calling them the 'JV' team.

I lost track of how many military advisors got canned.

Skipping the majority of his PDB's.

And just take a pot shot at the op.

Bad form.

Bad form.

geez, don't you think this might be one of many ploys to "out" members of ISIS, get them to brag, or communicate rage, give away positions, tactics, something useful, etc.....to all the members here on ATS that crap all over our spy guys on a regular basis...maybe....juuust maybe....they aren't going to tell you every damn thing they know, and/or are working on.

ISRAELI


a reply to: xuenchen

Lets call it for what it is. "ISIS" is simply a code name for black ops/special forces/cia. The people dying within ISIS are most likely ISRAELI soldiers with top secret missions under a "disguise" to topple syria.

Possible reason for tricking the public in general would be to catch the enemy off guard,which is actually a brilliant tactic if you are a poker player. If you want to conquer the world, the element of surprise must be present.

we were simply the guinea pigs in this propaganda experiment.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

ISRAELI

Mossad !!

Playing both sides between the middle?

What a plan !!