Planned UN climate deal blow to fossil fuels: green groups

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Enochstask
You need manufacturing to build those and that would cause pollution. We need to go back to candles and horse and buggies.

Clean energy reduces a lot of that pollution, as does recycling which again works at a much higher efficiency with clean energy.

Candles, horse, and buggies are horrible for the environment. Cars are much better, and so are my LED bulbs.

As far as electricity goes, I'm on a small netbook and this post took 1 minute to write. My netbook uses about 30 watts, so it cost me about 0.003 cents at my current electric rate. I can make 33 such posts for the price of a penny.

I take it you are not a big fan of sarcasm.

Still don't understand that push back against the paris climate deal.

Carbon Tax...is that it? And really what is a carbon tax...? Is it a tax that would replace the fuel/gasoline tax? Is it in place of the tax incentives=money that we just give to oil companies now? But that's such a small piece.

When we're talking about this stuff, keep in mind that we're also talking about....

reducing air pollution...like what we're seeing in China right now.
cheaper energy...wind, hydro, solar...it's all free.
Less reliance on foreign oil...do you really want to be in the back pockets of Saudi Arabia forever? Supporting ISIS? Because that's what we're doing.
Less wars in the middle east...IRAQ? That was a war about oil...Thousands of Americans died over there for oil. Do you really want more of that?
Electric cars and easier solar? Don't you want more of that? If you haven't driven a Tesla, I recommend that you do. Amazing cars...and that's just the beginning. My solar on my house? My neighbors can't get it because the power companies put a stop to it. My electric bill? The power company raised the rates to compensate. I don't want those types of games any more.
Plastic? Time to move on from there.

It's easy stuff...let's evolve.

a reply to: amazing

Yeah part of it is the carbon tax which is a TAX on EVERYTHING a person does.

Then there is the scam of selling them as credits creating a investment vehicles like mortages. That creates a bubble.

It's the sheer fact supporters are trying to control the ENTIRE planet.

Controlling the land,air,water,EVERYTHING there is.

It's pure FASCISM.

originally posted by: neo96
It's the sheer fact supporters are trying to control the ENTIRE planet.

Controlling the land,air,water,EVERYTHING there is.

Well, the problem affects all the land, water and everything there is. It's a global thing.

It's pure FASCISM.

Naw... it's pure ILLUMINATI. Hitler is so last century.

a reply to: masqua

I am sorry but Climate change has been the fundamental driving force behind mankinds progress.

We owe everything we are now to it.

No laws, no regulations no nothing is going to stop it.

Mankind has survived everything mother nature has thrown at us, and we have persevered.

The only thing governments around the world are using that cause for now is the same thing they have been doing since we have started calling ourselves 'civilized'.

Take power, and control, and money from us, and tell us it's for our own 'good'.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: neo96

Desperation is the mother of invention. It's high time we got off fossil fuels and maybe this is the kick in the pants we need to roll out cold fusion, hydrogen fuel cell technology, etc.
What's your thoughts on harvesting hemp for energy needs?

Actually one of the aircraft companies has a prototype fusion engine thats should be ready to roll out in 5 yrs. it will be th e size of a truck but thats better than the russian versions. Point is COST to adapt them to normal useage. And these also occur at room temperature to start their reactions and if containment is broken immediatly shut down.

What about Angel Labs MYT Engine? 40:1 power to weight ratio, stackable, 800HP at idle, runs on gas, diesel (with diesel, no oiling neccessary) and on ambient air.

The passenger car version is about the size of an alternator and delivers 300+HP. Twice the power to weight ratio as a turbojet.

Even as an aftermarket retrofit it would be ideal for cars, trucks, boats, planes, sump pumps, and more.

Some say there are problems with the intake, but the ford they tested it in ran for a long time. seems liek it works.

a reply to: neo96

Yeah, sure... it'll cost money, no doubt.

I look at it different than you, though. This has been put forward and agreed upon by over 190 leaders of as many countries, not 'supporters'. Not just America or China.

The idea is to limit carbon in the atmosphere but not entirely or stop emissions immediately. It'll take decades. While we try to limit carbon, we will also be putting money into things like solar, wind and possibly nuclear (alhough I doubt that).

All you seem to be concerned about are taxes (like adding cost to a gallon of gasoline or paying more for electricity from coal). If it costs you money, you're against it and I understand that. Nobody likes it when the taxes increase.

Anyways, since when did anyone, like me for sure, have any say or control over oil or coal companies? Only governments can have those controls. Here in Ontario, we closed all of our coal plants years ago and we are now paying the price for all those renewable projects, like wind. In fact, I just heard today that our electricity bill are going up 10% in January.

Yep... it's costing me money.

The bottom line is that Ontario has been WAYYY ahead of this already and, though we're currently paying the price, at least we won't have to do much more as other provinces will.

On the sunny side for everybody, switching from carbon based fuels to renewables will provide jobs. Lots of jobs.

Oil is down to $35 a barrel, Iran is going to start selling millions of barrels a day and the world is awash in the stuff. We have stockpiles of it like never before coming out of North American wells and the Saudis are not going to slow down production. It's like OPEC is committing Hari Kari.

Personally, I'm tired of all the plastic crap that's floating around everywhere and think we're living in the Idiocracy at times. We need to rethink things and the people that come up with good ideas will be as rich as those oil executives are now.

Looks like Kerry spilled the beans again .....

The bankers and tax collectors are foaming at the mouth.



Trillions in the balance: Kerry says countries will abide by COP21 agreement because there’s ‘money to be made’

a reply to: masqua

All you seem to be concerned about are taxes (like adding cost to a gallon of gasoline or paying more for electricity from coal). If it costs you money, you're against it and I understand that. Nobody likes it when the taxes increase.

No that's not all.

Never before in world history has a power grab of this magnitude been tried.

There are a myriad of levels of crap going on that shouldn't.

On the sunny side for everybody, switching from carbon based fuels to renewables will provide jobs. Lots of jobs.

No it won't. At least not here or anywhere in North America.

It China, and third world countries.

Oil is down to $35 a barrel, Iran is going to start selling millions of barrels a day and the world is awash in the stuff.

Oil is down because Saudi is trying to kill off fracking, and shale. Not because of anything else.

Personally, I'm tired of all the plastic crap that's floating around everywhere and think we're living in the Idiocracy at times. We need to rethink things and the people that come up with good ideas will be as rich as those oil executives are now.

Personally I can't help think those leaders are a bunch of hypocrits flying all over the world in their jets spew green house gases to cheer they 'saved the planet'.

We ain't gonna agree on anything, and that's ok.

But they are selling snake oil.

a reply to: masqua

Plastic wont be going anywhere, where did you get this idea?

Some of us are more worried about the excuse of climate change to gain further control over society by governments. If I can find the article about a state in the North-East about the state blocking people from installing off the grid solar power with lame excuses when the obvious real reason was no central control of the grid.

(If you think there will be a solar panel on every roof and energy will be cheap you are kidding yourself)

Also, when the masses accept these changes, the next step will be to drastically change their diet. The call will be made for less and less meat (I don't eat that much so it likely wont affect me much) to be consumed. I would bet big money that the threats of famine will be the next issue and be blamed on our lack of quick action on climate change to impose greater control (like that is possible, but it will be) over the food supply.

Probably some soft propaganda activism to reduce the population.


See:

1968 Club of Rome proclamation of who the enemy of mankind is.
Galton Institute membership
Largest philanthropic organizations (in 2011 over a billion a year spent on directing media coverage) of the Gates and others.

But it will be packaged nicely so most people wont feel as though their autonomy is being infringed upon.

Like I said earlier, I am just waiting for a few years down the road when people start complaining about changes they didn't see coming or thought wouldn't affect them.

-FBB

originally posted by: neo96
Personally I can't help think those leaders are a bunch of hypocrits flying all over the world in their jets spew green house gases to cheer they 'saved the planet'.

I doubt very much that we, or anyone else, will stop flying or driving. It's just not going to happen. However, if we can develop planes that use different fuels other than avgas or kerosene (or are able to have cleaner exhaust) and cars that are like Tesla's ad run on batteries, then the carbon footprint will be a lot smaller.

I'd love to take a high-end Tesla for a spin. I hear the G forces are something else from a standing stop.

It'll take time of course. Nothing will change much quickly and keeping global temp increase below 1.5 degrees is one helluva challenge, but if that's the target, then that's what we're going to wind up trying to do.

Of course, if people don't believe temps are rising due to carbon loads in the atmosphere, then they're going to get frothy around the mouth.

That's OK too. There should be criticism. It's what keeps everybody on their toes.

originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
a reply to: masqua

Plastic wont be going anywhere, where did you get this idea?

Yeah. I know. Plastic is forever. I hear they're thinking of building tourist resorts on the Plastic Islands in the Pacific.

originally posted by: imd12c4funn

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: neo96

Desperation is the mother of invention. It's high time we got off fossil fuels and maybe this is the kick in the pants we need to roll out cold fusion, hydrogen fuel cell technology, etc.
What's your thoughts on harvesting hemp for energy needs?

Actually one of the aircraft companies has a prototype fusion engine thats should be ready to roll out in 5 yrs. it will be th e size of a truck but thats better than the russian versions. Point is COST to adapt them to normal useage. And these also occur at room temperature to start their reactions and if containment is broken immediatly shut down.

What about Angel Labs MYT Engine? 40:1 power to weight ratio, stackable, 800HP at idle, runs on gas, diesel (with diesel, no oiling neccessary) and on ambient air.

The passenger car version is about the size of an alternator and delivers 300+HP. Twice the power to weight ratio as a turbojet.

Even as an aftermarket retrofit it would be ideal for cars, trucks, boats, planes, sump pumps, and more.

Some say there are problems with the intake, but the ford they tested it in ran for a long time. seems liek it works.

The army has a motor that runs on anything combustible as well. Tehre are also water running engines ou t there too but they are on the shelves in FORDS secret hangar to be used at a later date. the fusion engines will be scalable to car engine size when they get it finally running properly. The sea water engine works but keep corroding after each run. They were trying last i heard to make a ceramic engine to run it in.