This is going just alittle too far.

I found this story while surfing through Rense and I have to say it rather disturbed me.Now I have issues with Christians but this takes the cake to create a museum based on the bible that seems to me goes against everything science has taught us about the history of this planet.



The new multi-million-dollar Museum of Creation, which will open this spring in Kentucky, will, however, be aimed not at film buffs, but at the growing ranks of fundamentalist Christians in the United States.

It aims to promote the view that man was created in his present shape by God, as the Bible states, rather than by a Darwinian process of evolution, as scientists insist.

The centrepiece of the museum is a series of huge model dinosaurs, built by the former head of design at Universal Studios, which are portrayed as existing alongside man, contrary to received scientific opinion that they lived millions of years apart.

Other exhibits include images of Adam and Eve, a model of Noah's Ark and a planetarium demonstrating how God made the Earth in six days.

More controversial exhibits deal with diseases and famine, which are portrayed not as random disasters, but as the result of mankind's sin. Mr Ham's Answers in Genesis movement blames the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, in which two teenagers killed 12 classmates and a teacher before killing themselves, on evolutionist teaching, claiming that the perpetrators believed in Darwin's survival of the fittest.

Other exhibits in the museum will blame homosexuals for Aids. In a "Bible Authority Room" visitors are warned: "Everyone who rejects his history � including six-day creation and Noah's flood � is `wilfully' ignorant.''


www.rense.com...

The original story can be found here

www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2005/01/02/weden02.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/02/ixworld.html


The whole article is scary if this is indeed how christians view things..
To me the museum is just a slap in the face for scientist and another way for the religious to push their views on the rest of the world.

Saying that the world is only 6,000 years old?

This is the best part:

Other exhibits include images of Adam and Eve, a model of Noah's Ark and a planetarium demonstrating how God made the Earth in six days.

I have a great idea how they can demonstrate it.....POOF!!!!! ON YOUR KNEES, SINNERS!

I hope no one takes it seriously, America is already getting dumbed down enough. Sadly, im sure it will be a big success.

First off do not use Rense as a source for reliable news. Stuff on there has been debunked a lot.

However remeber though that evolution is still a theory, it can be changed or tossed out the window tommorrow. We are discovering new things everyday, and we may find out aliens brought us here or something other than evolution.

Not all Christians believe this, but this does not push religious views on others. You do not have to enter the museum nor believe what it has to say. By that logic science is pushing its views on creationists and museums that show evolution do the same.

And its not just Christians who believe that. Some Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and other groups most likely believe that natural disasters are done by God to punish man for his sins. They had a good debate on this on Scarbrough, a fanatical Christian women who believes the natural disaster is done by God tp punish and a Rabbi who was on the opposite.

Bah, it would be better to save your moeny and go to the Ripley's Museum, at least you can see something intriguing ot thought provoking there. I don't suppose they will have a section of the museum dedicated to early christian use of Pychdellics there eh? No section on the early Mycene Mushroom cults that spread their use to hebrew cultures, or maybe a good section on the rise of Catholcism and mthods of executing heretics. That would be a good idea if somebody had the money, open one right next door to show some real history behind Chritianity. How a good thing got bent into damned near pure evil, and exploited for money and power, now that would be worth the door fee.

JediMaster

That's why I posted both links because of the stories that have come from Rense.I have no intentions of going to the museum.

Yes I'll admit the thoery of evolution still has flaws in it but to have an exhibit saying that the earth,dinosaurs,and man have all only been here for 6,000 years when every person that has ever studied science nows that it's much older...we know of societies that lived about 12,000 years ago.(If you must know the name I'll have to try and find it)

Now I don't go to church nor am I a religious person so I don't have any expertise on the matter so to speak of how things are taught but Every religious person I have met face to face always ends up trying to save me and telling me I need Jesus in my life...Which to me is trying to push it on me when I don't want it.I don't tell my friends they are ignorant for going to church and believing in that mumbo jumbo...

In a "Bible Authority Room" visitors are warned: "Everyone who rejects his history � including six-day creation and Noah's flood � is `wilfully' ignorant.''

That little quote right there in my opinion is blatently saying either throw everything you believe out the window and believe in what we say or you're ignorance will reserve you a spot in hell

Either that or I'm just reading too much into it:

[edit on 5-1-2005 by Simon_Boudreaux]

Ah sorry did'nt see that other link.

However even if you disagree with what they are saying, they do have the right to build this museum and say whatever they want. Just as you have the same right to build a museum denouncing Christianity, I would'nt like it but I would not stop you, I just would'nt pay the entry fee......well if it was free then I would want to see what you had to say .

I agree they have the right to build it,I just think they should be more factual with the historical part of it We have found too much evidence that the earth is in fact older than 6,000 years by a long shot.

For someone that has been trying to find proof of god this museum would be another set back for them.How could you believe that the bible is truth when this musuem will be displaying false histories.


I wonder if they will have a exhibit about the plagues of Egypt.Would be interesting considering I haven't been able to find it in any egyptian history books or anywhere on the internet.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux

The centrepiece of the museum is a series of huge model dinosaurs, built by the former head of design at Universal Studios, which are portrayed as existing alongside man, contrary to received scientific opinion that they lived millions of years apart.

Other exhibits include images of Adam and Eve, a model of Noah's Ark and a planetarium demonstrating how God made the Earth in six days.

Saying that the world is only 6,000 years old?

In six of whose days? The bible says that 1,000 of our years is one day to God...so I am wondering which measurement of days they are referring to. Also, I wonder if there will be a model of DNA? I am joking of course...that would probaly be banned in a museum of this type...but if God made us, surely he is the master of DNA? that is probaly a banned topic in this museum, though.

They think that the dinosaurs lived here 6,000 years ago??? That is hysterical!

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux

More controversial exhibits deal with diseases and famine, which are portrayed not as random disasters, but as the result of mankind's sin. Mr Ham's Answers in Genesis movement blames the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, in which two teenagers killed 12 classmates and a teacher before killing themselves, on evolutionist teaching, claiming that the perpetrators believed in Darwin's survival of the fittest.

Other exhibits in the museum will blame homosexuals for Aids. In a "Bible Authority Room" visitors are warned: "Everyone who rejects his history � including six-day creation and Noah's flood � is `wilfully' ignorant.''

These two are the one's worrying me the most.
Maybe my memory needs to be refreshed but wasn't the Columbine incident brought on by the two young men being bullied and harrassed not because of Darwin's ideas.They had a list of the people they wanted to kill including the teacher.

And then to say that I'm "willfully ignorant"if I don't believe this the whole museum to me seems like nothing but an interactive fear tactic to keep you faithful.I guess just saying you will go to hell if you don't live by these beliefs wasn't enough

Cherish

That's actually a good question. It would be interesting to see if they have anything on DNA and the makeup of the human body or any other species of life on this planet.unfortunately I feel you're right and we won't be.

Im surprised they even admit that dinosaurs existed. I figured they would have a model of Satan placing bones in the ground. "Heh....stupid scientists...I know they will take the bait!!"

I'm amazed you haven't had any response from the fundamentalist brigade yet, I mean your post could be construed as an attack on christianity. It wasn't, of course, but some people feel threatened by critical analysis.

I'd be tempted to visit next time I'm in Kentucky (which probably won't be soon!), seems like one of those things you just gotta see to believe. And it does fit within the tradition of weird US roadside attractions...

No fundamentalist diatribes from me, but I beg the question... Other than your "innate" faith in what you believe is scientifically correct, what proof is there that everything you are looking at is not only 6,000 years old?

As I said, don't assume I'm a fundamentalist, (not counting the church of the immaculate misconception and presumptuous assumption)... I am simply curious as to what, you think, really is a fact and what is based on the logic of an accepted quasi-fact.

Thanks gang....

Dan

Simon,

I was taught that God created EVERYTHING! Sun, moon, stars, plants, animals, people...everything....so that means that he created DNA! (imagine that!)

I believe that the organized Christian churches of today do not give God enough credit for creating DNA!

If there is scientific proof of evolution, then he must have created things to evolve, too!

And if evolution is over thousands of years...well...a thousand years to us is but one day to God.

Anyone ever consider if God created things through cloning DNA? He can do anything.

I think it's extremely presumptive for anyone to claim that they know any details about god's motives or methods. If you start from the position that it's perfectly OK not to know everything, then there's really no argument between the theories of creation and evolution. Who can say exactly how many human years = one god day? And who can say what exact physcial method god used to create everything?

This is all assuming there is a god, of course. I'm at least willing to consider the possibility that god exists...too bad some others can't at least consider the possibility that he or she might not...

Originally posted by sigung86
No fundamentalist diatribes from me, but I beg the question... Other than your "innate" faith in what you believe is scientifically correct, what proof is there that everything you are looking at is not only 6,000 years old?

There is no such thing as faith in science. I dont "believe" the earth is billions of years old, I just accept it. I just look at the evidence, see what works and what doesnt work, and accept what works. Theres really no such thing as truth in science, everything is more of an approximation. I can say though, by looking at the evidence, that the earth is much older than 6,000 years old.

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel

Originally posted by sigung86
No fundamentalist diatribes from me, but I beg the question... Other than your "innate" faith in what you believe is scientifically correct, what proof is there that everything you are looking at is not only 6,000 years old?

There is no such thing as faith in science. I dont "believe" the earth is billions of years old, I just accept it. I just look at the evidence, see what works and what doesnt work, and accept what works. Theres really no such thing as truth in science, everything is more of an approximation. I can say though, by looking at the evidence, that the earth is much older than 6,000 years old.

It's weird - I've had this argument before.
I admit, this is just a devil's advocate stance but...

I think what sigung is getting at is that it is faith to believe in the accuracy of science. All evidence points to millions of years of life on earth, but is this really a fact, or just widely accepted as fact.

What if, there is some flaw in all our methods of dating fossils and such back in time, so that something 6000 years old, seems to be millions of years old.

We have no way to verify that our dating processes are truly correct, only faith that we understand and correctly interpret them.

Visit a "secular" natural history museum.
How do you know the Dinosaur skeletons
have been reconstructed correctly?

Many have been revised over the years.
The original Iguanodon reconstruction had a horn on its nose.
Which later turned out to be a "thumb claw"

Predators, like T-REX have been built with tails in various configurations.
Some straight out, for balance on the run, like a Cheetah's tail. Others
tail down, like a tripod.

The reality of the past can be reconstructed many ways, and arguments still fly around today. Warm blooded dinos? or Cold blooded?

The Coelacanth, a fish 100's of millions of years old in the fossil record.
Supposedly gone 65 million years ago..Still alive and well.

OF Course, the whole 6000 year thing..Thats a number created by man as well..Maybe Those darn Christians will revise that number someday?

well ive seen real dinosaur bones up close, no one needs to tamper with them, they looked that way 65 million years ago, and still do today.
as for the museum thing i think instead of being a learning curve for people that don't want to read, it seems more of 'in your face, science get the f**k out of our lives'. that's the main problem with it. if it was just a nice place, where people could go learn about how christians view the world etc, then i don't think there would too much of a problem.
the world being 6000 years old has to be one of the most ignorant, bone idol things ever said. what evidence on earth is there that nothing is over 6000 years old. so there was no ice age? no wolly mammoth? no sabre-tooth tigers? the bible never states how old the earth is, science does. the bible doesnt go in to detail about how, why and when, science does. the bible doesnt say when the universe was created, science does. the bible doesnt go in to detail about how we were made/created, science does. the bible doesnt go in to detail about how the earth, stars, elements, life etc was made, science does. hmmmm the bible doesnt actually seem to hold alot of answers...science does.

[edit on 6-1-2005 by shaunybaby]

Yeah,

That whole willfully ignorant thing at the entrance is....well
It's ignorant!