ACLU Board Member Resigns After Urging People To Kill Supporters Of Trump

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: IAMTAT

This guy was a board member, decision-maker and figurehead of a large organization...and he was speaking out to followers to kill....not Trump...but other American citizens because of how they vote.
Big difference, from some guy at a rally, holding up a sign in support of his second Amendment rights.

BTW...where does it say on those signs in your example to go out and specifically kill specific people?
It's not like they're yelling: "What Do We Want?...Dead Cops!...When Do We Want It?....NOW!"

Plus, the power is vested with the people and we do actually have the right & obligation to a violent overthrow of government if we decide our government no longer operates to the benefit of the nation. I read this man's sign as a reminder of that fact...a reminder to the government, not a threat to ordinary people.

Sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with you. If I had a nickel for everytime I read a threatening post by a wingnut to "kill libruls' or some such thing, I would be as rich as Trump. The ALCU guy was totally wrong to say what he did and its good he resigned, but by no means are some right wingers not just as threatening or worse.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Vroomfondel

It's not "The ACLU" it's "A guy in the ACLU." Small difference.

Wait, no, big one.

One Christian nut job shoots people at planned parenthood and he is allegedly representative of the whole right wing. That sword only cuts one way? A right wing nut goes off and people blame the whole conservative base, but oh so quick to point out the actions of an 'individual' when it is a liberal.

It is possible that this one person was alone in those beliefs. And it is equally possible they were not. And it still sounds like terrorism to me.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

PLEASE remember that this was NOT just "some guy in the ACLU"...He was an ACLU BOARD MEMBER!

Noun 1. board member - a member of a governing board

board - a committee having supervisory powers

www.thefreedictionary.com...

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Vroomfondel

PLEASE remember that this was NOT just "some guy in the ACLU"...He was an ACLU BOARD MEMBER!

Noun 1. board member - a member of a governing board

board - a committee having supervisory powers

www.thefreedictionary.com...

Point taken.

The chain of command is crucial in this. The body of the organization follow the leadership. He is the only one to have spoken openly regarding this belief as far as we know. That does not indicate that he was alone in believing it or that he had no influence on his subordinates.

Understand, as well, that the ACLU has over a half million members across the nation, who look to this guy (and others like him) for direction and leadership.

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am sorry but its the same thinking. And I dont for a minute believe those people wouldnt extend there violence to ALL who disagreed with them.

The thinking may very well be the same. But we are talking about speech here and the 'message' is very different.

Thinking, as of now, is truly free. Speech has limits.

You think this guy got that high in the ACLU being the outsider? Does any one else think this Is this a popular theme in the ACLU, killing people who disagree with them, but he is the one that said it.

Who else is on the ACLU hit list?

originally posted by: openminded2011
Sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with you. If I had a nickel for everytime I read a threatening post by a wingnut to "kill libruls' or some such thing, I would be as rich as Trump. The ALCU guy was totally wrong to say what he did and its good he resigned, but by no means are some right wingers not just as threatening or worse.

I'll be honest, I cannot recall a prominent right-winger use his/her platform to suggest people shoot left-wing supporters. I could be wrong, but none come to mind.

I have seen such calls for violence from what appear to be rightwingers, too, on the internet though. I visit politically diverse forums and have seen it from both sides equally.

I don't know how many other people could have his name


How many boards and groups is he on? . Why hasn't any other group not kicked him off/fired him yet.

Here is an example of some other groups that he is on

www.linleygroup.com...

a reply to: IAMTAT

So a guy pushes for attacks against the right and loses his job.

Trump pushes for attacks against minorities and surges in the polls.

How are the two comparable?

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: IAMTAT

So a guy pushes for attacks against the right and loses his job.

Trump pushes for attacks against minorities and surges in the polls.

How are the two comparable?

one called for murder and the other one didn't. Get a grip. Moritorium =/= murder.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: IAMTAT

So a guy pushes for attacks against the right and loses his job.

Trump pushes for attacks against minorities and surges in the polls.

How are the two comparable?

They are comparable only when you substitute "advocates and threatens" with "pushes," and "murder" with "attacks," in the first sentence.

a reply to: IAMTAT

If you are making the point that crazy, hateful and stupid is not the exclusive domain of the right wing...You are 100% correct. There is no defending that level of stupid or that kind of call for violence.

If you are proposing that this kind of rhetoric is equally found on the far left as it is on the far right, I would point out that reality disagrees with you with a steady drip.

And I am not sure if I should point out the difference in that many followers of the far right either stay silent or defend those who say similar things, like Rush Limbaugh et al.

Whilst, at least here on ATS, those who lean left are quick to condemn those theoretically in their own "camp" when appropriate.

Yes...this kind of speech should be called out..

a reply to: Indigo5

So I guess you were only born at the beginning of the Obama presidency? Because I remember a LOT of this kind of rhetoric during the entirety of the Bush presidency from the left. They did all kinds of things up to and including making major motion pictures assassinating him.

Sometimes I wonder "Has everyone in the world has lost their mind, or is it just me."

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: IAMTAT

So a guy pushes for attacks against the right and loses his job.

Trump pushes for attacks against minorities and surges in the polls.

How are the two comparable?

From two weeks ago
Passenger rants about Islamic State before shooting Muslim taxi driver in back
www.washingtonpost.com...

And lets take a look at what has happened in JUST THE PAST WEEK

Two Muslim women attacked in Tampa
www.wtsp.com...

Fire at CA Mosque intentionally set
theintercept.com...

Man attacks Muslim workers in Manhattan restaurant, throwing chairs and screaming slurs:
theintercept.com...

Queens deli owner beaten by man screaming “I kill Muslims”:
theintercept.com...

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Indigo5

So I guess you were only born at the beginning of the Obama presidency? Because I remember a LOT of this kind of rhetoric during the entirety of the Bush presidency from the left. They did all kinds of things up to and including making major motion pictures assassinating him.

Maybe you are on to something? Maybe whoever is in the WH...then the opposition grows a sense of frustration from disempowerment? Frankly I don't remember the volume or vitriol as anywhere near equal...but I do remember some of it and despite REALLY not liking the Pres at the time, I called out the idiots amongst his critics that crossed the line..

I do remember the Dixie Chics? Hell there was a national outrage and they had to cancel a concert tour for criticizing Pres. GWB.

Either way...it is not 10 years ago...call the BS where it is..

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: IAMTAT

So a guy pushes for attacks against the right and loses his job.

Trump pushes for attacks against minorities and surges in the polls.

How are the two comparable?

Correction(s)
Wirbel pushed for the 'murder of American citizens', who vote differently than he'd like...The guy was allowed to resign by the ACLU; he was not fired by them.

Did Trump say he or anyone else should kill or attack minorities? Please show me where.

People are saying how great it is that the ACLU acted as they did, but I'm thinking it was more of a "Holy Crap that just went viral" moment for them to change their reactions from snickering to what they did.

originally posted by: IAMTAT


Did Trump say he or anyone else should kill or attack minorities? Please show me where.

No...he said that minorities want to kill and attack us..

Hitler never spoke publicly about exterminating the Jews...He just fear mongered about them so that everyone was on board with rounding them up.

Now...Trump is no Hitler...but he is a watered down grandchild on the ideological spectrum..