Changing national gun laws without congress???

a reply to: tweetie

Guns can not be purchased "online" any place in the U.S.A. It's against the law! Period! Now they want to make more "law" to say, you can't break the/that law. Libs always feel "safe" with more "law". I have no doubt..they'll legislate themselves out of existence.

a reply to: tweetie

People can actually make them (guns), with readily available parts. And they are, no doubt.

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: tweetie

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: tweetie
I don't think confiscation is near but whose to say loads of registered long gun owners, for starters, couldn't be added to the "no fly" list?

Per the article - I knew guns could be purchased at gun shows w/o a background check but I am surprised people can buy them online without the check. I don't think any guns can be purchased online in my state period.

you can't. i bought a big scary gun online. (UTS-15) it can only be delivered to a licensed dealer. that licensed dealer does the background check before releasing the weapon into the buyers custody.

I believe you but why is the article making it sound as though online gun purchases don't require a background check? If the check happens via the dealer then why does the article make it sound as though there is no check whatsoever for online purchases?

it may be because there are 27 states that told the fed to go to hell WRT to background checks in general backed up by SCOTUS rulings. it's either 27 without or 33 without i forget which was which. But even so it is unlikely the refusing states will change thier mind and thus the Fed cannot require it legally. They can try but it will be a slap at the SCOTUS which won't go over well with them; even the libs on the court.

Thanks, I will look into that more. I am very interested in what's going on with the 2nd Amendment even though I'm not an owner. They are going after the states that refused. Without knowing I would guess Texas is one of those.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: tweetie

Guns can not be purchased "online" any place in the U.S.A. It's against the law! Period! Now they want to make more "law" to say, you can't break the/that law. Libs always feel "safe" with more "law". I have no doubt..they'll legislate themselves out of existence.

you can purchase them online. they just cannot be shipped directly to you. they have to go to a local licensed gun shop. the local shop charges a small fee. 20 bucks in my case. but because my state does background checks i could not pick it up without filling out the background check paperwork and the dealer calling it in for the background check. had i not passed the background check i would not have got the gun. depending on what the hypothetical failed check was for i suppose they could have called LEOs on me. The gun looks like the marine's gun from the movie aliens. it's sure to make libs have an aneurism (a' la the really bad movie: Scanners) just looking at it.

a reply to: NewzNose

Ace Hardware, has everything one needs to make a single shot 45cal. Pistol. Not to mention other things. Fifteen minutes at AH... And I personally, along with many others, could get an "assault weapon"... Now? Would I teach this? No! But they can make all the "laws" they want. But "law" doesn't stop criminals. That's why they're called criminals. Laws only make honest people, outlaws. It's against the law to murder. It doesn't matter how it's done. Death is death.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

You're right. I stand corrected. But, they can't be shipped to your home address. There is still a background check. ... I stand corrected. I'm not being an ass. I'm being honest.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: tweetie

People can actually make them (guns), with readily available parts. And they are, no doubt.

I would have to agree. We have a lot of ingenious peeps in the U.S.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: stormbringer1701

You're right. I stand corrected. But, they can't be shipped to your home address. There is still a background check. ... I stand corrected. I'm not being an ass. I'm being honest.

nods. well i figured you were going by the fact they cannot be shipped to a home address. and are subject to BGCs in states that require it. we should not allow ourselves to be diverted from the germane facts. in other words the point is or should be that if you are subject to background checks in your state an online purchase does not bypass that. Online purchase of weapons are no less safe and scrutinized than in store purchases. I do not even think the gun store will accept delivery of a weapon that is not legal in their state either so that is not any different from normal gun purchases either.

originally posted by: lifecitizen
a reply to: murphy22

Well I don't know what it means by expanded but I would think it would mean more background information would be needed in order to buy a gun.

I dont see how this is a problem. You have mass shootings happening all the time , why wouldn't every American want stricter laws and extensive background checks? As far as I can tell, noone is saying you can't have your guns, just that it shouldn't be so easy for [crazy] people to get their hands on them.

Actually, that isn't true. So-called "mass shootings" include gang activity and terrorism, and when you remove those, the rates are comparable to other countries. The media is using the term "mass shooting" more to promote cun control, instead of the more correct "spree shooting" term. Those are NOT common at all.

For the record, mentally ill people are already prohibited from purchasing guns.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: tweetie

People can actually make them (guns), with readily available parts. And they are, no doubt.

pssssst! Don't tell 'em that you can legally purchase an 80 percent completed lower receiver for a fully automatic weapon. it's legal 'til you mill the remaining 20 percent out. They'd die of fright if they knew that. because an automatic weapon in the hands of someone who wouldn't kill a fly normally is worse than an atomic bomb. the horror! oh the humanity!

a reply to: stormbringer1701

A "normal" gun purchase is done within the "law". Any "purchase" outside that, is illegal. "Thier" State, or them, have no business breaking the law. The "law" is the COTUS and a States Constitution... That is the "law". All other law, statutes and ordinances are repugnant.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Adam Lanza was in a gang? or he was a terrorist?

James Holmes- was in a gang or was a terrorist?

That's just two I can think of off the top of my head. I will find a link for 2015 and I think you'll find most of them are lone gunmen. Not a gang, or a terrorist.

The FBI defines mass murder as 3 or more people being murdered during any one event.

timelines.latimes.com... link to US mass shootings for 2015.

I dont think these rates are at all comparable to other countries. Noone does gun violence like America does.

a reply to: murphy22

You just said purchasing guns is 'against the law, period', and you were wrong. So I think I'll take your facts with a grain of salt.

a reply to: NewzNose

You poor, sweet thing. Readily available parts? And a gun comes to mind for you? I highly suggest, slathering yourself with Peanut Butter to protect yourself from the depleted ozone and melting polar ice.

a reply to: lifecitizen

Without a background check, it is. I'm not sure how you got lost. But come back to the light...I'm waving, frantically!

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: stormbringer1701

A "normal" gun purchase is done within the "law". Any "purchase" outside that, is illegal. "Thier" State, or them, have no business breaking the law. The "law" is the COTUS and a States Constitution... That is the "law". All other law, statutes and ordinances are repugnant.

i have no idea what you are on about so here is a bunny with a pancake on it's head.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I would agree with you. You have no idea what I'm getting at. Honestly? I didn't expect you would

a reply to: lifecitizen

You live in a country that confiscated your guns....I will take your opinions with a grain of salt.

a reply to: murphy22

by all means refuse to explain your reply

a reply to: shooterbrody

We still have guns. Don't listen too much to Hillary.