Ancient Medieval Castle Found Beneath Closed Prison Basketball Court

a reply to: Astyanax

No prob... I'll nit pick too

ancient

belonging to the very distant past and no longer in existence

Sounds good to me... in any case, its still pretty nifty

Thanks for your reply

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Akragon

and ending (for convenience) with the departure of the Roman legions from England in the third century AD.

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The Romans left England in 383CE, which is the fourth Century CE and the start of the medieval period is dated from the actual fall of Rome from the date that Romulus Augustus abdicated in 476 CE, which is the end of the fifth century.
The medieval period then runs from then til the age of discovery around 1500 CE
1000 years of darkness. Sounds biblical doesn't it...

originally posted by: Astyanax


The experts, like Marduk, will probably be able to correct any terminological errors I have made.

I'm no expert on this period, I prefer Ancient history, from around 10,000 BCE, until the rise of Rome.

a reply to: Marduk

Thanks, Marduk. Akragon, that's the convention used by historians.

a reply to: Astyanax

So its medieval, and about 800 years old... which pretty much qualifies as ancient

Still sounds good to me

originally posted by: Akragon which pretty much qualifies as ancient

Academically, ancient is anything before the fall of Rome 476 CE

a reply to: Marduk

I didn't write the article lol

I just like the pretty stones that might be a castle from a long time ago

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Akragon

An Ancient castle has apparently been unearthed from beneath a prison exercise yard in Gloucester England... Said ancient ruins were demolished approx. 200 years ago, and the ruins haven't been remembered or seen since.

The ruins date back to the 12th century, and was possibly the home of one "William the Conqueror" and many others such as All the Williams, Henrys, Edwards, Richards I II and III who lived at the castle at various points, as did King John.

Tragic how in times past people just knocked down ancient structures with no regards to the history it may hold...

IF anyone lives near this place... you might want to drop in and take a look around if you can...

I love this kind of stuff.... wish they'd find something around where I live

I can't wait to see what they dig up at this site

Very interesting... I myself love things like this as well... There's not much history like that to find here in America and Canada since we're too "new" so to speak. They have thousands of years of crap they can dig up over there... Us? Pssh, we've got what, about 480 (give or take) years of history?

Actually look up native American cities on google images. There are ruins you can visit throughout the midwest that are very similar to south American ruins, just that they were made of earth instead of stone. Since the founding of the USA we kinda pretended the natives never built anything permanent, but it's a lie and settlers destroyed a lot of it after the diseases wiped out 80% of their population.

Sure it wasn't Rome, but the Mediteranean has hosted civilization after civilization for hundreds of thousands of years, each building on what their predecessors had learned. Just imagine if the Mayans, Incans and Azteks had used their stone skills on Manhattan with all that granite! And arrived about 200,000years earlier......

originally posted by: 8675309jennyJust imagine if the Mayans, Incans and Azteks had used their stone skills on Manhattan with all that granite! And arrived about 200,000years earlier......

That would be amazing as we were still evolving in Africa at the time

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: 8675309jennyJust imagine if the Mayans, Incans and Azteks had used their stone skills on Manhattan with all that granite! And arrived about 200,000years earlier......

That would be amazing as we were still evolving in Africa at the time

The 100,000 years ago out-of-africa story is nonsense. There's remains of 800,000 year old human settlements all over Europe.

Europeans did not actually come from Africa during the last migration, but in fact were CREATED when the last migration out of Africa began breeding with the earlier pre-existing humans/hominids/neanderthals/denisovans who were already there. As they very slowly migrated into Europe the genetic makeup became blended like a gradient.

There is still much debate over where the ORIGINAL hominids in Europe came from, with many believing they may have evolved from a different group of apes somewhere in Western Asia (northwest India to Persia area).

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That was an excellent post supported by really solid sources.
Well done!

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

The 100,000 years ago out-of-africa story is nonsense. There's remains of 800,000 year old human settlements all over Europe.

could you link to just one, confirmed to be Homo Sapiens

a reply to: Akragon

There is a lot more buried under the streets of Gloucester according to this man

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: aorAki
a reply to: 8675309jenny


That was an excellent post supported by really solid sources.
Well done!

Nice sarcasm there pal, but a simple 5second google search would have come up with a bundle of info on ancient Europeans dating back easily over 100,000years.

en.wikipedia.org...



From the homo heielbergensis Wiki page:

Neanderthals, Denisovans, and modern humans are all considered to have descended from Homo heidelbergensis[7][8] who appeared around 700,000 years ago in Africa. Fossils were recovered in Ethiopia, Namibia and South Africa. Between 300,000 and 400,000 years ago a group of Homo heidelbergensis migrated into Europe and West Asia via yet unknown routes and eventually evolved into Neanderthals. Archaeological sites exist in Spain, Italy, France, England, Germany, Hungary and Greece.[9] Another Homo heidelbergensis group ventured eastwards into continental Asia, eventually developing into Denisovans. The African Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population evolved into Homo sapiens approximately 130,000 years ago,[10] who migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[11][12][13][14]

From the Denisovan Wiki page:

In the same second 2010 paper, the authors reported the isolation and sequencing of nuclear DNA from the Denisova finger bone. This specimen showed an unusual degree of DNA preservation and low level of contamination. They were able to achieve near-complete genomic sequencing, allowing a detailed comparison with Neanderthal and modern humans. From this analysis, they concluded, in spite of the apparent divergence of their mitochondrial sequence, that the Denisova population shared a common branch with Neanderthals from the lineage leading to modern African humans. The estimated average time of divergence between Denisovan and Neanderthal sequences is 640,000 years ago, and the time between both of these and the sequences of modern Africans is 804,000 years ago. They suggest that the divergence of the Denisova mtDNA results either from the persistence of a lineage purged from the other branches of humanity through genetic drift or else an introgression from an older hominin lineage.[24] In 2013, the mtDNA sequence from the femur of a 400,000 year old Homo heidelbergensis from the Sima de los Huesos Cave (Atapuerca Mountains) in Spain was found to be most similar to that of Denisova.[16]

Face it, we know maybe 1% (optimistically) of the story of human lineage, and we are piecing it together from tiny little bits of info over millions of years. It's like giving someone 3 rust flakes and a shred of broken glass and expecting them to figure out what kind of car it was.

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

The 100,000 years ago out-of-africa story is nonsense. There's remains of 800,000 year old human settlements all over Europe.

could you link to just one, confirmed to be Homo Sapiens

'Human' is not limited to homo Sapiens. Not sure if you're aware of that sir.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

'Human' is not limited to homo Sapiens. Not sure if you're aware of that sir.

Specifically you were making claims for "the Mayans, Incans and Azteks "

They are all Homo Sapiens...

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

'Human' is not limited to homo Sapiens. Not sure if you're aware of that sir.

Specifically you were making claims for "the Mayans, Incans and Azteks "

They are all Homo Sapiens...

Oh dear god, LOL it was a hypothetical scenario.

Supposing that HUMANS had migrated into N. America much much earlier, it would be very interesting if the explorers had encountered something that looked like Heliopolis, Athens or Alexandria perched upon the Hudson river or the Chesapeake Bay!

a reply to: 8675309jenny
yeah I wouldnt worry to much about that "member"....he likes to be a smart bugger,and when asked to front with answers he tends to bail/fail.Im still waiting on answers to my questions in a couple of threads,months old now.Good info by the way too.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

Supposing that HUMANS had migrated into N. America much much earlier, it would be very interesting if the explorers had encountered something that looked like Heliopolis, Athens or Alexandria perched upon the Hudson river or the Chesapeake Bay!

You mean, like, if they'd arrived some >14,000 years earlier than those cultures, they might have developed cities like this


or this


or this


Yeah, that would've been totally cool

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

Supposing that HUMANS had migrated into N. America much much earlier, it would be very interesting if the explorers had encountered something that looked like Heliopolis, Athens or Alexandria perched upon the Hudson river or the Chesapeake Bay!

You mean, like, if they'd arrived some >14,000 years earlier than those cultures, they might have developed cities like this

or this

or this

Yeah, that would've been totally cool

LOL why are you so intent on trying to spin what I said andtaking the piss ???


I know exactly what the central/south American civilizations created, I simply said it would have been interesting if they had populated the Northeast seaboard since it has tons of great stone building materials. I imagine the pilgrims and other early European settlers would not have thought themselves so superior...

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

Supposing that HUMANS had migrated into N. America much much earlier, it would be very interesting if the explorers had encountered something that looked like Heliopolis, Athens or Alexandria perched upon the Hudson river or the Chesapeake Bay!

You mean, like, if they'd arrived some >14,000 years earlier than those cultures, they might have developed cities like this

or this

or this

Yeah, that would've been totally cool

LOL why are you so intent on trying to spin what I said andtaking the piss ???...

Bored at work, obviously

I know exactly what the central/south American civilizations created, I simply said it would have been interesting if they had populated the Northeast seaboard since it has tons of great stone building materials. I imagine the pilgrims and other early European settlers would not have thought themselves so superior...

They would have probably been better off having ships with torpedo's, if they'd just spent some time on that