Police Scotland Corruption

Hello friends of ATS,

I have lurked around this website for around 6 or 7 years now but I now have something i feel is worthwhile to contribute. I am in urgent need of advice/clarity and there is nowhere better than here to get this. I am having trouble right now, the problem is the trouble is with the very people who are put in place by the system in order to "protect". This is my story.

This year, late August in Dundee, Scotland, me and my partner who I will refer to as 'Lucy', had an argument. It is quite common for us, a young couple, stressing over money and the numerous things going on in my life such as losing my job at the start of the year, finding out my little brother had cancer not too long later and then my Grandmother who brought me up dying suddenly not too long after that.

I was struggling for work, we were struggling to pay the bills, she had just come home from work and something petty as it usually is, had us arguing with the remaining bit of energy we both had left. Lucy decided she would go and get a KFC, which would have been good because it would cool things down. Lucy stormed out but left the front door wide open, i walked over and just threw it shut around 30 seconds later, presuming she was atleast beside her car. It all happened so quick.

I heard the sound of Lucy screaming and swearing. I opened up the door immediately and seen Lucy lying on the ground, I at first looked at her legs but seen no visible injury. I was about to ask her what was wrong before i saw it, the blood everywhere and her index finger hanging off.

It was absolutely horrific, i couldn't believe it. At first i didn't know what to do, i just sort of stood there, staring as she screamed then i ran into the house and just grabbed a kitchen towel, apologising the whole time, in a state of utter disbelief that this had happened. I gave her the towel, she screamed at me saying " What the F%&$ am i supposed to do with that"? she was right, i just didn't have a clue what to do, it didn't help either that i didn't have a phone and we have no house phone.

At this point the neighbour came out, we both screamed at him in a panic to phone an ambulance, then i heard my son inside calling. My son is only four years old so i had to go inside to console him.

I go inside and hug my son, i tell him everything is going to be OK and that there has been an accident but the doctors will be there soon to help mummy. I sit him down on the sofa and hand him the i-pad to distract him while i go back outside.

The male neighbour comes back outside seconds later after i do, presumably i thought at this point he had just phoned an ambulance. He looks at me and says " You better get yourself together, the authorities are on there way, you really need to pull yourself together". I am suddenly overwhelmed by anger, clearly this guy, who has never liked me from the moment we met, was insinuating that i had done this to Lucy on purpose. At this point i begin to shout at him and tell him to get the F*£$&£ back inside as he is not helping anything by standing there accusing me. He goes back into his home and i hear my son shouting. I tell Lucy that he must of phoned an ambulance and that they should be there soon and we agree it's best that i go back in to our son.

I sit with my son for a couple of minutes when all of a sudden i hear Lucy arguing with someone. I walk out of the living room to find police standing beside her. I hear her telling them that they need a warrant to come in, that they don't need to be there as it was an accident and that she just needs an ambulance.

They aren't listening to her, instead they are telling her to "shut up and calm down", they treated her like she was being completely unreasonable by being loud while her finger was hanging off. All she wanted was for an ambulance to come. A female officer approaches me, i ask her what they are doing there and tell her it was accidental, she tells me they were called to a "domestic disturbance".

Around five minutes later, there are suddenly 7 or 8 officers at our house. One sat in the living room with myself and my son. Another standing at the living room door. Three or four stood in the hallway and the rest were outside with Lucy.

Around 20-25 minutes later Lucy's mum arrives, during this time i have been questioned once by the first female officer i seen and have had no contact with the other officers who seemed to be doing nothing but standing around talking amongst themselves and speaking down to Lucy for her unreasonable demand for an ambulance.

Lucy's mum comes into the living room after speaking with Lucy, she asks if myself and my son are OK and just asks me what happened. She tells me Lucy told her it was an accident aswell and that all she is wanting is an ambulance but for some reason it seems like it is never coming.
Lucy's mum told me she couldn't believe an ambulance hadn't arrived yet as she lives 20 minutes away and has managed to get there so it isn't like it can be caught in traffic. We speak for a little while then she goes back outside to Lucy.

It was around fifty minutes at the least, from the police arriving, before an ambulance eventually arrived. Now the police questioned me minutes after arriving, i explained what had happened. They clearly had a call from the neighbour, and he clearly said he felt it was purposeful, so again with these two statements surely the one thing they could prove at this point was, Lucy was clearly innocent of any crime. So why when they arrived, did she get treated like a suspect? They treated her disgustingly, as if a finger hanging off is just a normal every-day occurrence and that she should stop "over-reacting" over it.

Even if she was a suspect however, is there a Scottish Law that says they have the right to delay immediate medical attention while they do "enquiries" ? (standing around chatting). Is it right that the police, which i have since learned, only after forty/forty-five minutes since initially arriving, called for an ambulance to be dispatched? I know this because Lucy told me she HEARD the officer call for it!

Now i am going to insert a picture of her finger from that night. I warn you it is graphic. I am doing this however, so you know what the police arrived to that night and to see if you feel that her finger in this state deserved immediate medical attention.



The doctors tried to save her finger, they stitched it up that night and felt there was a slight chance it could be saved. They informed her that with incidents like hers, time is very much of the essence and that the quicker they see you the better your chances. Her finger seemed to be healing for a little while after the operation but unfortunately she lost it in the end.

After the operation to remove half of her finger, Lucy called me and asked if i could come back to help out for a while. My bail conditions were that I could not go near Lucy or have contact with her. Lucy informed me that after speaking with my solicitor she had put in writing to the courts that she did not wish to have a bail against me as it was an accident and we are still a couple. What we both thought, due to a misunderstanding somewhere, was that this meant the bail had been lifted. Ofcourse i found out different a couple of days after i had decided to come back.

(to be continued, please wait to comment)

I was in the house with just my son, Lucy had went to do a make-up, she is a freelance make-up artist. The police suddenly arrived in the morning after a phone call from the neighbours. I wasn't causing a disturbance, the male neighbour just phoned as he knew it was a breach of bail. I was taken into custody for the weekend, i went to court and my bail conditions were still the same and i now had to do a social work report.

Once i was released i went to my dads. Later that evening i spoke to my partners mum, she had spoken to my partner and wanted to pass on a message to me. I was told that the police Sargent had phoned my partner, saying he thought the decision for the bail conditions to remain was wrong and when my partner mentioned to him that she is seeking to take legal action against the police because they made her wait at least 50 minutes for an ambulance he was very apologetic. He even told her he was going to get my bail conditions lifted by the end of the week.

Not long after this phone call another officer phoned my partner, stating he would like to come round to see her as he understands she would like my bail conditions to be removed. The officer came round, the reason for doing so he said, was that he was going to get a statement confirming my partner wanted the conditions removed and then he would get them removed.

The officer argued with my partner over what had happened that original night regarding the police phoning the ambulance. He basically tried to persuade her that what she knows happened that night didn't, even though my partner clearly heard an officer call for an ambulance. The officer tried to convince her that the ambulance got a phone call and then phoned the police, then they decided to let the police decide whether or not she needed medical assistance!

Now remember, this officer came round AFTER my partner had informed the Sargent that she was going to make a complaint. This officer was involved the night of the accident, and he came over to "see about getting MY bail dropped". This could have been a legitimate excuse if it was not for the fact that officers DO NOT have the power to do this and officers are only supposed to discuss bail conditions with ME. I know this after phoning the police station after receiving a recording of the officers conversation with my partner, and telling the officer i spoke to about this. So what was the REAL reason that this officer came round to visit Lucy? I should also mention that a Sargent was present the night of the accident also, although i cannot prove it was the same one that Lucy spoke to, but IMO it seems likely.

I have the recording and obviously Lucy's real name is used, i will share that too if someone could inform me how to post an audio file. I would appreciate it if we could still please refer to her as Lucy on these boards however if i do share it.

Now a week after this i was in court for a bail hearing. My solicitor felt it was about 90% certain it would be removed. It was very strange in the court, at first my name wasn't down for being in court. Next i had been sitting there in the court for hours, watching people stand for all sorts of crimes, assaults, vandalisms, breaches of bail etc etc.

The strange part however, was, that when my case was called, NOBODY was allowed in. Nobody was allowed to sit in and witness, not even other solicitors who had also been sitting in court all day. This was for a BAIL HEARING, i had personally sat through someone else's earlier that day! For some reason nobody was allowed to witness MY bail hearing.

Then the verdict, bail conditions to stay in place. My partner doesn't want them and has written to the courts she does not want them. In fact from the very night it happened she has told them it was accidental and she doesn't want a bail in place!

After the ruling, my solicitor took me to the side, and i swear to you this is what he said. " Do the police know Lucy is planning on making a complaint against them?"

Now what does that tell you? Why would my solicitor ask me that question straight after the verdict if it does not have some sort of significance?

I explain yes, the Sargent. I then tell him about the officer coming round trying to persuade her on the events of that night and i ask him if police corruption is a thing that happens a lot. I won't incriminate by telling you the answer to that, my reaction was flabbergasted to give you an idea.

So my bail is still in place right now, my solicitor has sent a letter stating he has requested a hearing as he thinks the decision was wrong and that Edinburgh agents will be helping.

What do you think has happened here? Police negligence, stupidity, corruption, or have they done what they were supposed to do? Please share your views ATS members as i do not have anywhere else to turn. I am frightened of the very people that is supposed to make you feel the opposite, i am concerned i may have some sort of "black mark" against me.

Please tell me your thoughts.

Thank you for reading.

One, you probably will want to take those pictures down before they get removed.

Two, you and the missus need to work on your anger issues.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Thank you, oh great one , who is so much better than myself.

Please add useful comments.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

3. Get a counselor. ..

Just seriouzly man......

a reply to: ChosenCorbyn

The both were.

One applies to the T&C and frankly I have never injured my wife or my previous girlfriends because I cannot control my anger or for any other reason, so if you think that makes me 'greater' than you, so be it. It is fairly obvious there are some serious relationship issues going on there.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It was an accident. Are you telling me you have never accidentally shut a door on someone or witnessed/know of accidents?

originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
What do you think has happened here? Police negligence, stupidity, corruption, or have they done what they were supposed to do?

Sounds like a mixture of all the above.

Please tell me your thoughts.

Whatever you do don't post that audio recording here or anywhere else online. You are clearly in an ongoing legal situation and speaking publicly about it while ongoing is one of the worst things you can do.
The only person you should be speaking to is your solicitor.
Oh, and for what it's worth, the bail conditions may well have been unjustified, but breaching them did not help you at all, lesson learned perhaps.

Don't take 'advice' from an anonymous internet forum, perhaps try a different solicitor, but now you are in the 'system' you either follow the slow turning wheels of due process, or risk #ing it up more for yourself.
I'd ask the mods to close this thread if I were you, and certainly if you were a friend of mine I'd be calling you a knob for posting details of an ongoing legal case.

originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
It was an accident. Are you telling me you have never accidentally shut a door on someone or witnessed/know of accidents?

Handing someone a beer and having it slip and break on the ground is an accident.

Walking over to a door, purposefully and forcibly slamming it while in a volatile state is intentional. Now factor in that you nearly severed your girlfriend's finger it is borderline criminal.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Your final bit of the comment proves you have not read this in full and are basing your opinions from a point of ignorance. I am not replying to you further as you bring nothing constructive you just want to troll.

a reply to: grainofsand

I appreciate your concerns but i do not see how what i have written has incriminated me at all. It is the facts of what has happened.

Thank you for replying constructively though.

Wow,she should have been taken to hospital straight away for that!

originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
Your final bit of the comment proves you have not read this in full and are basing your opinions from a point of ignorance. I am not replying to you further as you bring nothing constructive you just want to troll.

Not my problem you cannot deal with the reality of your own actions.

You nearly severed your girlfriend's finger due to anger issues and you are more concerned with the police. Take some responsibility for what you did, if you did not nearly chop her finger off you would have avoided the entire encounter.

originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
a reply to: grainofsand

I appreciate your concerns but i do not see how what i have written has incriminated me at all. It is the facts of what has happened.

Always best to keep ongoing criminal law issues between yourself and your brief in my experience at least.
Your solicitor is the ONLY person who can help you right now, so I wish you and your partner well, and hope it resolves quickly so you can move on together perhaps with a lesson learned for the future.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Stop trolling it's beneath you, you are like a broken record. You've made your point now move on and let the OP discuss it with others without your tolling.

originally posted by: mclarenmp4
Stop trolling it's beneath you, you are like a broken record. You've made your point now move on and let the OP discuss it with others without your tolling.

Yeah, sure. Let's encourage violent behavior just to make everyone feel better. The guy nearly cut off his girlfriend's finger because of a lack of self control and you are worried about me? Priorities dude.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That is your opinion based on clearly reading parts of what i have posted. I have no problem with you and do not wish to take the time to argue with some random. I do not wish to feed trolls.

Have a good day!

originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
That is your opinion based on clearly reading parts of what i have posted.

Yeah, the most important part.

Everything that transpired after your violent outburst is directly attributable to your violent outburst. This is the same thing alcoholics do when they bemoan their fate instead of dealing with their issues, they deflect.

a reply to: grainofsand

Thank you for your advice, i really appreciate you taking the time to read this and i can see you warning comes from a good place. I just want all this to be over but it is such a long and dragged out process!

a reply to: Whereismypassword

This is exactly what I, she and various legal professionals and doctors all think too. The question i am trying to figure out is why she wasn't? I am also trying to figure out if there are ANY circumstances in which the police in Scotland are able to deny immediate medical treatment to anyone?