Two Eyewitnesses Affirm CA Shooters were 3 WHITE MaleS

originally posted by: FlyingFox
Well, the media-police had it at 3 perps long after the initial attack, and subsequent street shootout. It was said the 3rd "ran away" from the SUV "scene", but...wouldn't the police know damn well if there was three people in the SUV or not?

The "third one" could easily have been anywhere when the cops spotted the two in the SUV.
I don't think anyone has yet accounted for the actions of the shooters in the hours between the time they left the massacre site until the shoot-out with police. Three were seen leaving the site of the crime but I don't remember the cops reporting seeing three in the SUV they were chasing. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Did they go home and celebrate with Mom for a few hours? Did they separate with intentions of hooking up later?
As for staying so near the scene of their crime, it makes sense in that they could simply "shelter in place" with everyone else. It might have worked except for the fact that someone inside had already ID'd the male by name because he was well known to the people in the room.

Scanners were lighting up for the report of a pair undressing from black jumpsuits in the area. Black SUV was heavily stressed. Also the discount mall had some activity. I could easily see how the giant clean SUV could have been spotted from the air. It would be in the public safety interest to find them, and from what I can tell there was tons of activity withing a few miles. I do suppose they had a name within 10 minutes of talking to witnesses.

I just wonder where is the news chopper footage from the SUV shootout. They showed the chase and the aftermath, after it was tidied up. I guess the video was suppressed as not to martyr these two.

a reply to: mandelaeffect

These guys?

Paris

Whatever happened to the go pro cameras they were said to be wearing?That is a very interesting aspect.

I found it weird that so many witnesses used the phrase "tactical gear." It was said enough that I remember talking about it while watching the news because we wondered if that was what the witnesses were actually using or if they were being paraphrased. I read about this stuff, so I know the phrase well...but if I was a witness myself, I'd probably say (at most) something like "swat gear" or black fatigues/ army gear. I don't think your everyday civilian would call it "tactical gear" if they weren't even observant enough to be able to differentiate skin or gender accurately. Most people would say something like "dark clothes" or "dressed in all black."

I also know 100% that while this was going down, they did say at one point near the end that there were 3 suspects. Two were dead and a third was "in custody" but officials didn't think the 3rd had been directly involved in the shootings until after-the-fact. We speculated maybe someone was with them in the SUV. I do remember right off they said 2 or 3 people involved that were on the loose in a dark SUV. Possibly the 3rd in this case could be the Grandmother...maybe they were already at the home. I don't believe so, however, because this was immediately after saying they had killed 2 of them.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Most people don't know what "tactical Gear" is to begin with.

They know Hollywood's idea and any time they see a BDU or hunting jacket they scream Tactical Gear.

I knew from the time I heard about it,sounded fake,the area that they escaped from had only one way out,whomever committed the murders were not stopped because it was all set up days before,this sounded fake from get go,CIA all over it, I live about 3 miles from shooting

In light of these testimonies regarding "3 white males", I remember one witness in the Paris attacks saying that he saw "white muscular males".

“At about 9.30pm a new looking black Mercedes pulled up outside with dark tinted windows at the back and the passenger and driver windows down. I could clearly see the passenger’s face as he was not ­wearing a hat or mask.
As soon as the car stopped he quietly opened the door and got out in front of the restaurant.

That is when I saw he was ­holding a machine gun that was resting on his hip. I could not take in what I was witnessing.

People outside spotted the shooter approaching with his gun and tried to run inside but he shot them down in the doorway.
Then people inside moved ­forward to see what was happening and he sprayed more bullets into them. I was trying to catch them on my camera phone but the gunman saw the light on my mobile and I ducked down behind the wall as they fired at my hotel. The gunman calmly reloaded his weapon several times. He then shot up at the windows in the street to make sure nobody was filming anything or taking photographs. It lasted over six minutes.

He fired lots of bullets. He was white, clean shaven and had dark hair neatly trimmed. He was dressed all in black accept for a red scarf.

The shooter was aged about 35 and had an extremely muscular build, which you could tell from the size of his arms. He looked like a weightlifter.

He was not wearing gloves and his face was expressionless as he walked towards the bar.

The driver had opened his door shortly before the shooting began and stood up with his arm and a machine gun rested on the roof of the car. He stood there with his foot up in the door acting as a lookout.

I would describe him as tall, with dark hair and also quite muscular.

They looked like soldiers or mercenaries and carried the whole thing out like a military operation. It was clear that they were both very heavily armed and the gunman was carrying several magazines on him.

They both then coolly sat back in the car and sped off in the direction of the Bataclan Theatre.

www.mirror.co.uk...

Perhaps the were "white arabs"
you know... kinda like "white latinos"

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Whatever happened to the go pro cameras they were said to be wearing?That is a very interesting aspect.

Imagine how much we could find out from all these
active shooter drills gone live, if body cameras were on and
periscoped to open source ? Is it possible we may find special ops
from the US Israel and Britain walking around and shooting
civilians with impunity ?
Nah they would never....

very interesting - commenting so I can come back when I have time.

It's amazing to me that people on this thread who have gone full on with the "special ops killing people in the attack" or that ridiculous pic of the 3 guys being the same line of thinking seem unable to grasp how unreliable initial witness information is.

Have you never played Whisper Down the Lane in school? Do you not realize that you can show a 5 second video clip to a room 20 people and get multiple different reports of what the video showed?

Why is it that conspiracy people that like to claim how awake they are throw all deductive and logical reasoning out the door in order to paint their latest X-Files episode?

a reply to: mandelaeffect

JUST FYI, here is the actual thread update-


Breaking News Feed
@pzf
ACTIVE SHOOTER - LIVE FEED: Police looking for 3 white males dressed in military gear. At least 20 injured.

notice 3 WHITE males, this is / has begun to smell rotten to some extent,

I don't see how anyone was able to make a decent judgement on race or gender. From what I have read they were wearing body armor, which would indicate they had at least a thought of survival. If you were about to shot up a public place and you had any hope of surviving would you not want to make it difficult for anyone to describe you? Maybe it's just me but when I think of that and hear the witnesses describe tactical or "assault" clothing I don't think of a lot of exposed skin. Add that to the fact that people in traumatic situations are usually poor witnesses and I believe it would have been difficult for anyone involved to positively describe the shooters. I'm not denying it could have been white guys, just saying we would need to see the unedited video footage that everyone knows is out there.

I do believe there was a third shooter. Far too many early reports saying so, including police scanners. I would imagine that something about that 3rd shooter is an embarrassment in some way to someone or group with power. Either through an undeniable connection or something as simple as he got away and they are not admitting to it.

Anyway just my 2 cents

originally posted by: mandelaeffect

originally posted by: Tindalos2013
a reply to: mandelaeffect

?why would you think something bad will happen to the witnesses.

Douglas Cottle(62?)
Michael Bellmore (27!)
Ibragim Todashev (28)

come to mind, for starters

are we well like the average ATSer anyway, supposed to know of these ppl??

The invisible gorilla strikes again!

You can't trust eyewitnesses, but you have to on a BOLO...someone said "3" (right or wrong) so the police HAVE to look for 3 people. Then "3" got repeated over and over till it became "fact" ... maybe there were 2 masked people together then at some point they separated with one of them making a solo appearance to some eyewitnesses giving the illusion of 3 shooters?

edit: and who is to say what "tactical gear" is? To me its masks, helmets and vests...to someone else it might be an assault rifle, and to someone else it might be full on riot gear with shields and grenade launchers. Another case of someone saying or interrupting "tactical gear" then it getting repeated.

I'm confident they got the right people...at least 2 of them. Could've been 3 but at this point its just tough to know for sure.

a reply to: RedParrotHead

I remember distinctly hearing (3) - also a little later dispatch made mention of a possible accomplice; of course we have heard zip, nada, ziltcho about anything other than the hub/wife...

(still shaking head about the media going through the crime scene)

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: mandelaeffect

JUST FYI, here is the actual thread update-


Breaking News Feed
@pzf
ACTIVE SHOOTER - LIVE FEED: Police looking for 3 white males dressed in military gear. At least 20 injured.

notice 3 WHITE males, this is / has begun to smell rotten to some extent,

Following that logic all they say there is 20 injured..does that mean that no one died or does it mean that initial reports said 20 injured and then as they learned more then it was refined to include people died.

People clamor for instant updates or else they cry "the media is hiding facts" and yet seem unable to understand that fluid situations have information that changes from initial reports to the final explanation without it being something nefarious.

No different if it is a network outage and you think it's some horrible attack because all your Inofsec machines went offline yet when you actually investigate it you find out that it's a spanning tree loop and had nothing to do with an attack.

Real life isnt a movie or a book where everything happens in these nice little timelines that clean up when 2 hours is up.

I saw nteresting CNN article says source but the reporter in the video says 'several sources' indicated 3 men fled in the black suv

Do the couple even really own the black suv? in all the footage I seen none with PLATES just bodies and blood

do Freemasons work in tandem with feds? Are alot of feds and mil cons black ops Freemasons?

Even the black suv and suspects attire wreaks of clandestine black gov OPs working in tandem with media and DHS!

Are police turning into mass civilian assassination squads making terror drills go 'live'? Evidence amounting all say YES..

Oh.. The link: www.cnn.com...