ASSAD: ISIS created by US, Saudis FRANCE: Assassination Not Necessary 'Before' Transition

Here Syria's sovereign president explains ISIS was created under US supervision in Iraq with Saudi wahhabi:



And Foreign Minister for France says no need to wait for Assad's assassination to begin transitioning Syria:



(They'll take care of that after?!)

Recent Attempt:
www.veteranstoday.com...

Planned Attempt?
www.infowars.com...

Obama's Plan for Syria:

ASSAD: ISIS created by US, Saudis FRANCE: Assassination Not Necessary 'Before' Transition

And what country let them flourish...it wasn't the US, or France...Saudi Arabia may be a different story though.

And Foreign Minister for France says no need to wait for Assad's assassination to begin transitioning Syria:

That's because the faster a government can be put together that will keep all sides happy the faster this situation ends. Until Assad is gone this war will keep going.

Recent Attempt:
www.veteranstoday.com...

Planned Attempt?
www.infowars.com...

Veterans Today is not exactly the most credible source for info...IMO.

As for infowars anything more recent as that is from 2012...so they must not be doing a good job of training if it hasn't happened yet.

Also how close do you think anyone who isn't highly trusted by Assad will be able to get close enough to assassinate him. Unless it comes from someone close to him he won't be assassinated or it would have probably happened by now.

Obama's Plan for Syria:

And the problem is what that they want to give the Syrian people a choice of who runs the country instead of someone who wasn't ever elected by a majority of Syrians, and commits horrid acts against his own people?

Obama insists ASSAD MUST GO:

Most Syrians prefer a Syria without Asad and without ISIS .

Get rid off them both .

At this point I don't support just outright bombing Assad. I support getting rid of ISIS, why not? However, I must admit the US did contribute somewhat to ISIS because the Iraq military was broken up in 2004 and it was done badly. As a result, many later members of ISIS were former Iraq military. Some of the ISIS leaders in fact were Iraq military intelligence.

www.pbs.org - How Saddam’s Former Soldiers Are Fueling the Rise of ISIS...

A large majority of ISIS members are Iraq and Syrian.

I believe what we're seeing is not something we can easily blame on the US. It's complex and the ME has been a source of violence for ages.

It boils down to ... the creation of Israel and the deep opposition in nearby Arab countries, espeically places like Syria and Iraq. Now the opposition has moved somewhat away from Egypt and Jordan to Iran, but it's still all over in that region, kept at bay by moderates and interaction.

The problem is Israel can't be uncreated. And many of these arab countries are still the source of continuing conflict and terrorism. A bridge has to be constructed, or it'll be a big war to kill off opposition.

What's going on now could easily escalate. If the UN instantiates RtOP (responsbility to protect) against Assad and Russia doesn't back out or join the initiative then things get dirty fast.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

The EU and America let them flourish by going to war with Iraq, afghanistan and Libya and indirectly funding militants in the middle east through Saudi Arabia to destabilise the middle east.

There's more sources than the ones the OP linked. In fact, there's a thread on this site thag shows the plans from the 50s to fund militant groups in the middle east to destabilise the region.

Nothing will come to this. We're already at war. Assad will be hung probbaly and his cabinet will be dismantled.

The wars are a joke and if anybody in their right mind don't think we had anything to do with the creation of ISIS, is an absolute pleb and a fine example of the conditioning that has been put on the public.

It's all bull#.

a reply to: 23432

I think whether or not they liked Assad, who the # are we to go over there and act like world police?


#, half the world don't like American police or their #ed up political system but ain't nobody invading America.

We have absolutely no right to go and bomb them. Lies, lies lies.

Real eyes realise real lies.

The US/west can do what they want and are responsible for millions of deaths with country's destroyed, with millions who fled to Europe and other country's, how many wounded unknown. One of the biggest crime in recent history and they get away with it (well at least those responsible).

So when a mass shooting with 10 or more happens in the US, the US president gives a 'strong' speech that something must be done etc, but if you think about those wars started by the US & the consequences after, these mass shootings are like stealing a candy.

Syria was on the hit list long time ago (axis of evil / those who harbor or support terrorists are the enemy in Bush words back then (syria was even mentioned by name!) and now the US supports terrorist LOL! Keep on driving with those bumper stickers and support the troops!!

And god knows where this all ends.

There are interviews of Assad in youtube for example, where he talks he would leave the office after he defends Syria and let the people of Syria decide who is going be their leader next but how can he in hes right mind leave the office now, middle of war? Mean while hes kinda surrounded by major world war powers and tighten the circle theres many mercs army groups running around and killing civilians many brutal ways and selling them as slaves to different countries, sure they want Assad and the government dead, gone just like they want it Libyans and Iraqis and rest of the ME didnt go down with their plans. One as nations leader would have to ask that very same question, how could he leave the office middle of that BS and leave rest of the people in these brutal war forces hands? Is Libyan people more save and better of today than with Muammar Gaddafi and same question on Iraqis with Saddam Hussein?

I can say that there would have been much more better ways to approach whole case in the first place but perhaps it is that Emperium mentality that gets these old farts going for another go after anoter.

originally posted by: 23432


Most Syrians prefer a Syria without Asad and without ISIS .

Get rid off them both .

How do you know this? Do you have some or any kind of citation for this? Are you Syrian? If you are what's your opinion in regards to who should be running the country. Also do you have any lists or proofs of whose been assassinated/eliminated by Assad and why or at least a factual body count.

originally posted by: n00bUK
a reply to: 23432

I think whether or not they liked Assad, who the # are we to go over there and act like world police?


#, half the world don't like American police or their #ed up political system but ain't nobody invading America.

We have absolutely no right to go and bomb them. Lies, lies lies.

Real eyes realise real lies.

Might makes it Right , however wrong it maybe , unfortunately.

From an outset point of view we are on total agreement .

10 - 20 dollars a oil per barrell is a really profitable business and neocon+zionist wet dream of " forcing the hand of God " comes really handy too .



I better hurry up and invent that " Free Energy Device " .

originally posted by: Kukri

originally posted by: 23432


Most Syrians prefer a Syria without Asad and without ISIS .

Get rid off them both .

How do you know this? Do you have some or any kind of citation for this? Are you Syrian? If you are what's your opinion in regards to who should be running the country. Also do you have any lists or proofs of whose been assassinated/eliminated by Assad and why or at least a factual body count.

I talk to refugees and ask them .

Most hate the situation and still don't want to go back while ISIS and Asad are in control.

My opinion is a democratically elected council of Syrians should run the country and Asad and co . are anything but .

Daily Telegraph - Assad is still the problem

Indeed, violence against children helped fuel the uprising during its incipient phases.

That time it was Hamza Khatib, a 13-year-old boy who was disappeared into the labyrinthine web of Assad’s subterranean torture chambers in April 2011.

A month later he was dead. When his parents collected the body they found it in a state that would have made even the Marquis de Sade wince.

Khatib was covered in bruises and cigarette burns. Once the cigarettes were finished, his captors simply used the cavities formed from bullet wounds to his knees as a repository.

Another cavity was also present, further up his body where his penis had been cut off and mutilated.

Assad is still the problem .


Just run a search for Asad+Atrocities

Saudi Arabia have always been good friends
To France
But I still think isil is an Iranian plot
They gave them billions in gold
And Iraqi weapons when the Iraqi
Army retreated
Iraq government is Shiite
Isil may be a Sunni state
But there killing Sunni s
Russia seems to avoid them
But turkey buys oil off them
Strange
I think the only ally we have there is
Saudi Arabia

So yesteryear it was Bin Laden, Hussein & Gaddafi, now it's Baghdadi (ISIS commander, already arrested in Lebanon) and Assad (soon to be assassinated, per Obama).

Who's next after Assad? Who after Assad 'Has to Go'?

originally posted by: 23432


Most Syrians prefer a Syria without Asad and without ISIS .

Get rid off them both .

Again here you are! Uttering such baseless opinion as fact.

How is it that you make such a statement. Obviously they want Daesh gone, they have terrorized the entire country with some of the most brutal tactics the world has ever seen. The Syrian Governement/Army are the front line defending the civilians against the marauding murderers and you attempt to lump them into the same category?

The only reason that Daesh has not taken over is because of the Syrian will for the country to remain with their president. He has led them through a war unlike any that has been fought. Syrians are very strong people, from the perspective I have gotten from them they simply want Turkey, Saudi, Isreali, NATO, to stop funding, arming, and facilitating transportation of these murderers into their country.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h


And the problem is what that they want to give the Syrian people a choice of who runs the country instead of someone who wasn't ever elected by a majority of Syrians, and commits horrid acts against his own people?

The whole charade of giving a damn about the Syrian people went out the window long ago, if you pay any kind of attention to what is actually happening.

Remember when we heard about how evil Assad was and how he was using chemical warfare against his own people, the main stream media of the west spouted this nonsense for months, with our congress/senate screaming for war.

This went on all the way up until the point that the UN discovered that it was actually the "moderate" rebels we have been funding and arming that committed the atrocities against the Syrians.

Daesh takes entire neighborhoods hostage, giving them no option other than to either work for them or die. Once the Syrian Army can cut off their supply in these neighborhoods, like Homs recently, they give Daesh a chance to lay down their weapons and move them back to the border they came from, like Turkey!

Yet people still act as though the Syrian government/ Military are the problem. With western airstrikes destroying infrastructure, while "going after daesh" There is no easy way to fight this unholy alliance, stop acting like you understand the best interest of Syrians, it is nothing but hubris.

You want to stand up for oppressed people, you better start speaking up for the people of Yemen, who are being viciously attacked by our great ally of the middle east Saudi Arabia!

a reply to: mandelaeffect

Your headline is out of context compared to the words in the video:

ASSAD: ISIS created by US

What actually happened was the reporter was asking him, Daesh is being trained and is operating in his country, a few miles from their current location, what does he have to say on it?

Then he goes on to say the Americans were responsible for Iraw, at the time Daesh was created (which is actually not true, ISIL was created in 1999 and it was only strengthened by the military action in Iraq)

Here is the problem. There is intelligence to suggest that Assad gives Daesh a free pass, and lets them operate without actively targeting, even though the blame can be laid on the US for invading Iaq and creating the conditions that led to a stronger Al-Q and Daesh, they were actively fighting them at the same time as well.

So its a little apples and oranges.

Additional to that, you can also cite the fact that in efforts to arm opposition rebels, US arms and training leaked through, beyond the normal FSA troops and benefited some Al Nusra or Daesh offshoots, or at the very least, groups that ended up joining their ranks later on. They also captured and utilized American arms. But thats not whats being discussed in the video.

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: 23432


Most Syrians prefer a Syria without Asad and without ISIS .

Get rid off them both .

Again here you are! Uttering such baseless opinion as fact.

How is it that you make such a statement. Obviously they want Daesh gone, they have terrorized the entire country with some of the most brutal tactics the world has ever seen. The Syrian Governement/Army are the front line defending the civilians against the marauding murderers and you attempt to lump them into the same category?

The only reason that Daesh has not taken over is because of the Syrian will for the country to remain with their president. He has led them through a war unlike any that has been fought. Syrians are very strong people, from the perspective I have gotten from them they simply want Turkey, Saudi, Isreali, NATO, to stop funding, arming, and facilitating transportation of these murderers into their country.

Asad , like his father before him , is a butcher of his own people .

You may go on to pretend that Asad doesn't have the blood of his people on his hands .

His people disagree with you .

Asad's government has the most brutal torture record known to mankind,so far .

He routinely drops bombs on civilian population when torturing is not usefull.


Let's not deny Asad is a bloody dictator son of a bloody dictator , like father like son , Asad family legacy is one of oppression and murder .


You disrespect those Syrians who wanted a better life without Asad and ended up dead for it .

a reply to: 23432

A month later he was dead. When his parents collected the body they found it in a state that would have made even the Marquis de Sade wince.

Khatib was covered in bruises and cigarette burns. Once the cigarettes were finished, his captors simply used the cavities formed from bullet wounds to his knees as a repository. Another cavity was also present, further up his body where his penis had been cut off and mutilated.

I love this sort of stuff. No proof at all. Now tell me, do Muslims even smoke? It just sounds so far fetched like all of the other far fetched notions.

One minute is is Daesh doing all the terrible things and now it is Assad .... like he goes around torturing children himself.

Jeez man, think for yourself!

If the US Gov wants him gone, then, I for one will give the guy the benefit of the doubt!

P

originally posted by: mandelaeffect
So yesteryear it was Bin Laden, Hussein & Gaddafi, now it's Baghdadi (ISIS commander, already arrested in Lebanon) and Assad (soon to be assassinated, per Obama).

Who's next after Assad? Who after Assad 'Has to Go'?

Iran is next .