Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
The biggest issue your system right now has is that most of the stuff is ridiculously overpriced. Medicine that costs like five bucks per tablet to make is sold with a markup of 10,000%

It does no good to point out useful facts. This is all just another feeding frenzy of the class warfare that has come to represent the Democrat vs Republic saga.

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
With United Healthcare losing money on this,Dems who voted for this might change their minds.I do not have numbers,however I would imagine that United has donated to a few Democrats.


thehill.com...

I hope Unitied Healthcare goes out of business.
I would also support any candidate that would bankrupt all corporations that were involved in the formation of the Trans Pacific Partnership such as Big Pharma.

The Corporate Fascists need to be reined in.

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Also,as a Christian I believe in universal healthcare.Why don't we start with some small steps that could have a big impact.No caps on coverage and you cannot be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.Sounds like a good start to me.

Sounds good. But, tell us. In a country of 380,000,000 people (and god knows how many millions of illegals) where half the population doesn't even pay a dime of income tax, who will pay for this universal healthcare? Doctors, nurses, hospitals, staff, clinics, labs, radiologists, etc. etc. etc. do not work for free.

When Corporations Lobbied for NAFTA, H1B, outsourcing of jobs, china trade...all this has an impact on people here, so wages as a result have stagnated. The Healthcare and Insurance Industry want to keep being paid the same and more when everyone else is making less. Obamacare is a permanent stealth bailout to prop them up.

Looks like it is time for those in Pharma and Insurance to take a paycut like everyone else.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
The biggest issue your system right now has is that most of the stuff is ridiculously overpriced. Medicine that costs like five bucks per tablet to make is sold with a markup of 10,000%

Pill pushers making 300K a year, CEO pulling in multi million dollars with stock options.
The Pharma and Insurance Industry is among the highest paid in this country, with the exception of those on Government Wall Street

It is time for them to take a paycut in this corporate globalist utopia.

a reply to: queenofswords

Universal Healthcare is the endgame.In my post I said start with small steps,not just unleash it in all Americans.

The Healthcare Industry should be non-profit.Im sorry,but making a profit off of the sick is wrong.CEOs making multi-millions and having shareholders isn't right.JMHO.

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
The Healthcare Industry should be non-profit.Im sorry,but making a profit off of the sick is wrong.CEOs making multi-millions and having shareholders isn't right.JMHO.

Good luck with that. Let's make energy, water, Internet and food production non profit as well.
Just not going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, there's tons of greed,waste ect. My wife's chemo runs over $16,000 a session and her white cell booster shots of neupegon runs over $4,400 a shot for 21 micrograms of medicine. It's insane. It's not the health insurers that are coming up with those prices.

originally posted by: Aazadan

A friend of mine is in a wheelchair. He was on disability for 15 years, but he eventually finished college, got himself a degree, and then the degree lead to a graphics job. Once he started getting paychecks he lost his disability and started making too much for Medicaid (we're not talking a lot of money here, maybe 18k per year). Basically, he fell into the gap where he doesn't get a subsidy, can't afford insurance, and doesn't get it provided. He's about to be forced to quit his job and go back onto disability at $700/month because in the past 6 months of work he has racked up $50,000 worth of medical expenses that he can't pay.

The system is screwed up, his situation now is the way it was for millions more without the ACA. The ACA fixed that for some people but not for everyone. If the ACA is repealed he'll be even more screwed as he'll never get insurance due to pre existing conditions.

I do ACA insurance. Based on what you told. A single man 37 (I guessed his age) making 18,000 would qualify for a plan that costs $49 a month, has a $900 deductible and a maximum out of pocket cost to them of $1,500. They qualify for a monthly subsidy for the premium payment bUT also get Cost Sharing Reductions as well which reduces the deductible, Co payments and out of pocket maximums. There should have been no way your friend could have rung up that amount of costs had they used the plan they had correctly. If your friend would like help I can help them get an appropriate plan. People need to be aware of how the Affordable Care Act really works and how it can benefit them

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
The Healthcare Industry should be non-profit.Im sorry,but making a profit off of the sick is wrong.CEOs making multi-millions and having shareholders isn't right.JMHO.

Good luck with that. Let's make energy, water, Internet and food production non profit as well.
Just not going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, there's tons of greed,waste ect. My wife's chemo runs over $16,000 a session and her white cell booster shots of neupegon runs over $4,400 a shot for 21 micrograms of medicine. It's insane. It's not the health insurers that are coming up with those prices.

Then who is?

originally posted by: buckwhizzle

Then who is?

That's the correct question. I think you will be surprised. Same people who have caused college costs to skyrocket. You would believe it more if you research it yourself though. Don't take my Internet word for it.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Also,as a Christian I believe in universal healthcare.Why don't we start with some small steps that could have a big impact.No caps on coverage and you cannot be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.Sounds like a good start to me.

Sounds good. But, tell us. In a country of 380,000,000 people (and god knows how many millions of illegals) where half the population doesn't even pay a dime of income tax, who will pay for this universal healthcare? Doctors, nurses, hospitals, staff, clinics, labs, radiologists, etc. etc. etc. do not work for free.

When Corporations Lobbied for NAFTA, H1B, outsourcing of jobs, china trade...all this has an impact on people here, so wages as a result have stagnated. The Healthcare and Insurance Industry want to keep being paid the same and more when everyone else is making less. Obamacare is a permanent stealth bailout to prop them up.

Looks like it is time for those in Pharma and Insurance to take a paycut like everyone else.

You know I actually agree with you, though I don't understand why you are sporting the communist fist, maybe your position is just part of the communist ideal of not liking corporations. I don't believe in the bailouts but I don't believe communism is the answer either. Bailouts of corporations are corporate welfare by a Draconian overreaching government, if we don't want corporate bailouts we don't need any bailouts at all.
Incidentally the Tea Party was always against these bailouts and that is why the Democrat leadership has so much hatred for it.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus


You know I actually agree with you, though I don't understand why you are sporting the communist fist, maybe your position is just part of the communist ideal of not liking corporations. I don't believe in the bailouts but I don't believe communism is the answer either. Bailouts of corporations are corporate welfare by a Draconian overreaching government, if we don't want corporate bailouts we don't need any bailouts at all.
Incidentally the Tea Party was always against these bailouts and that is why the Democrat leadership has so much hatred for it.

I like competition, that is what the icon says.
I have no problem with independent corporations, I work for one.
I have a problem with Revolving Door Corporate Insiders and Lobbyists in DC, as well as Wall Street Bankers.

They are telling America that they cannot be successful on their own unless they purchase puppet politicians to do their bidding. 90% of the problems in this nation in regards to foreign and domestic economic policies can be laid at their feet.
And they want the average American to pay for it while they reap the rewards.

It is time for the gravy train to end for them.
The Corporate and Banking insiders and lobbyists need to be thrown out of DC.

Prior to 1970, there was not much in the way of Big Business influence in politics.
There were less than 200 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC in 1970 compared to thousands today.
And the downward spiral begin right around that time frame as well

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: buckwhizzle

Then who is?

That's the correct question. I think you will be surprised. Same people who have caused college costs to skyrocket. You would believe it more if you research it yourself though. Don't take my Internet word for it.

Considering The Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industry is the highest paid Industry next to Government Wall Street and they also donate the most to politicians, and all at a time when the majority of Americans are making less, and they are making more, well, as they say, follow the money.

I am glad you agree we need to throw them out of the government.

www.opensecrets.org...

Top Lobbying Industries

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832
Electric Utilities $2,013,127,133
Electronics Mfg & Equip $1,823,347,451
Business Associations $1,811,811,643
Oil & Gas $1,715,405,541
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,416,425,661
Education $1,399,862,870
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,310,021,801
Telecom Services $1,271,840,866
Securities & Investment $1,264,774,284
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,216,181,432
Real Estate $1,215,135,758
Health Professionals $1,189,983,794
Air Transport $1,125,384,003
Misc Issues $929,225,311
Automotive $891,793,138
Defense Aerospace $887,354,553
Health Services/HMOs $863,410,051
TV/Movies/Music $851,379,595

When most of the big corporations were state side, but selling globally, it was a mutual relationship between citizens and corporations.
If other countries markets hurt ours, corporations were in agreements with tariffs or other policies that benefited themselves but also benefited citizens and workers.

When they went global via moving to other countries, selling back to us, while also controlling the puppet politicians in this country is when they crossed the line. They are not in agreement with policies beneficial to citizens because now it would hurt them as well. They want to reap the benefits of cheap global labor, controlling our politicians and reward themselves with the lions share of the wealth and have everyone else pay for it.

Exactly what Big Pharma is doing.
They love reaping the benefits of this corporate globalist utopia all backed by a global police force with the Americans footing the bill

Who do people think make up the Bilderberg, CFR and the Trilateral Commission?
It consists of people from the Biggest Banks, Corporations and Political insiders. Who do you think brought us this corporate globalist utopia?

Who created the TPP? Multinational Corporations before their puppet politicians were even told about it.
Which also goes against the Constitution when it deals with other countries.

Do people think they were drinking tea and eating crumpets all these years they attended these meetings?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

What would you replace it with? I'm curious.

I have NO problem scrapping it if, in the same bill as "repeal" a better plan is clearly refined and stated so that it
1) eliminates pre-existing conditions OR the need for private insurance AT ALL unless someone chooses it, or like with Medicare, people could supplement with private if they want to, 2) brings costs down overall for everyone, 3) doesn't force people to be poor to obtain it (i.e. non-expanded Medicaid), 4) is efficient in how it is run both in the care provided, the management of resources, and for the consumer. (Please feel free to add anything I haven't thought of!)

I'm not the enemy or a cheerleader for the ACA so much as I am deeply aware of the crap that WAS our system before the ACA and how people died, how I was refused insurance and therefore follow-up cancer treatment, etc. People were forced to go on Medicaid, to be impoverished, in order to take care of their medical needs - we almost had to make that decision ourselves. It sucked.

I just want something that works for everyone. I wish our government were functional enough to create that, but apparently its not.

peace,
AB

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I'm Canadian and I'm fully aware my taxes pay for Provincial health care. As for actual out of pocket cost I have no idea all I know is my tax on income last year was approximately 23% so hardly higher than the avg person in the US.

ETA: We do pay 14-15% Harmonized Sales Tax (HST) on most purchases.

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
The Healthcare Industry should be non-profit.Im sorry,but making a profit off of the sick is wrong.CEOs making multi-millions and having shareholders isn't right.JMHO.

So are you expecting MDs to work at 10 bucks an hour or something???? are you expecting companies which produce things like syringes and high tech machinery to just produce @ cost? You don't understand the market, just like every socialist and Marxist Progressive. The same people who are saying what you say also seem to think that burger flippers should automatically make 15 bucks an hour regardless of the market. So you guys want burger flippers to make more and doctors to make less just because???? Is that your vision of income equality? Good luck finding a good doctor to take care of you then.

originally posted by: Kukri
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I'm Canadian and I'm fully aware my taxes pay for Provincial health care. As for actual out of pocket cost I have no idea all I know is my tax on income last year was approximately 23% so hardly higher than the avg person in the US.

ETA: We do pay 14-15% Harmonized Sales Tax (HST) on most purchases.

Any way you slice and dice things..... Im hearing that restaurants are now having to charge higher because they have to pay for Obamacare costs....

a reply to: AboveBoard

No plan at all is better than ACA. It is not the job of government to provide either insurance or health product at all. This whole thing is insanity and its not really regulating insurance biz or premiums wouldn't have jumped the first year of passage. Its just more bureaucratic regulation and intrusiveness into our private affairs. Its also the abuse public/private partnerships are involved in, which is part of the Agenda 21 mechanism.