Trying to connect some UFO-phenomenon dots

To start off, when it comes to the subject of UFOs I have certain anchors. These are the testimonies of high-ranking military officers, astronauts, etc., certain mass-sightings and certain documents released under the Freedom of Information Act. These are the things that showed me there was a serious side to the UFO-phenomenon, when most of my life I was certain it was all nonsense.

After discovering the serious side, there was no way back and the subject of aliens and UFOs became one of my favorite subjects. Throughout the years I've found a lot of nonsense, a lot of facts and a lot of interesting things that could not be confirmed but didn't seem too ludicrous. Now as most people here, I'm constantly trying to connect the dots. I am aware that some of the things I'm going to mention are controversial, but here is my attempt to connect the dots. I hope this is a good read and please don't get angry with me if you think I'm too far out. Please be constructive in your criticism.

The Allies of Humanity

To start off, I recently read all 3 books from the "Allies of Humanity". When I bought the books and started reading I was put off after searching online for the writer of the books and I decided, maybe too quickly, I didn't like the guy so I stopped reading the books. After 6 months I decided reading again, because what I read previously was intruiging.

The information in the book was retrieved via channeling, which obviously is not a method for information gathering that is recognized by science. But the information in the books was intruiging, because it painted a larger picture of the universe that I had never heard before and it also contains many interesting details that do make a lot of sense.

Books 1 and 2 can be found online. I can recommend them for reading. At the very least, these were the best science fiction books I've ever read. I do have to say that when reading them, I did get a feeling that there was a lot of truth to what was being told. Here you can find the books:

alliesofhumanity.org...

Our local galactic neighbourhood

The picture painted in the books is the following:

We live in a part of the universe which is relatively densely inhabited and where some ground rules have already been laid down by larger interstellar powers. Open warfare is not allowed (since it's too destructive and planets are too valuable) and there is a focus mainly on trade. This does mean there is fierce competition between races.

The races are organized differently. Most only occupy one planet and these planets mostly are governed in the form of a dictatorship, but there are also planets where democracy has won and where the inhabitants are free peoples. It's from these types of planets that the Allies of Humanity come. They want to help Earth because they want us to be free, also for their own purposes. It's also important for them to align themselves with like-minded races to be able to project more power outward to other races with questionable or bad intentions.

The Collectives

Then there's the Collectives. You can compare the collectives with the former Soviet Union. There is one major power controlling all the other races lower down in the hierarchy. Since open warfare is not allowed, these collectives often use covert means to infiltrate races to pacify them and to get them to join the Collective by free will.

The Collectives are not allowed to have large armies, but they have huge trading networks and therefore bargaining power. They often use mercenary armies if there are some nasty things to deal with. The Collectives are often races that are rational and unemotional. According to the Allies of Humanity, one of the Collectives has a relatively large presence here on Earth.

In the books a lot of information is given on the Collectives and I found it all to be very believable.

Infiltration and abduction

When the collectives are being described in the book, there are a lot of similarities with how the Greys seem to operate. If I remember correctly the Greys are never mentioned by name by the Allies.

From abduction research (which is controversial, I know) it seems that it's the Greys that are doing most of the abductions and that they're collecting sperm and eggs and that they're involved in a hybrid program. The first generation of hybrids looked very odd, but subsequent generations looked more and more human-like. According to some researchers, some of these hybrids have already been integrating in our society. Also don't forget that for an advanced race, genetic engineering is probably a piece of cake. Just like building a house is a piece of cake for us. And these races will have much longer lifespans so a hybrid program that lasts several decades, might be acceptable for them.

Is this the infiltration attempt that is taking place that the Allies are warning us about?

Also, abduction researchers have found that there are the small greys that do most of the work, then there are the larger greys that oversee the small greys and then there's also mantis type beings that oversee the large greys again. This is consistent with how the Allies of Humanity describe the structure of the Collectives.

Their reasons

Now why would they want to infiltrate our society? According to the Allies of Humanity, the Collective is interested in our planet because of a few reasons:

-Certain minerals, metals and isotopes can be found here in abundance
-Earth lies in a convenient location close to some major trading routes in our local galactic area
-There's great biodiversity here on Earth and biological materials like plasma are worth a lot when trading in the universe. That's why animals are being mutilated and the Allies even claim humans are abducted sometimes for the same reasons by rogue groups out for a profit.

This is an article about a whole village in China disappearing after a UFO sighting:

ufodigest.com...

The Allies also say that only 1 in 6000 planets in the universe is as abundant as Earth. Most other habitable planets are way more barren.

The story continues in the next post...

Humans are the problem

The issue right now is that humans in recent history have become a major problem. We have nuclear arsenals pointed at each other that could ruin the planet and we're also destroying the priceless biodiversity. And since the Collective has a business interest in our planet, because of the reasons mentioned previously, they need to pacify us.

Compare it to Shell drilling for oil in Nigeria. The locals are becoming a nuisance for Shell and Shell decides to use certain methods to quiet the locals by subversion, silencing or by threatening or even killing them.

The Allies say it's the goal of the Collective to pacify us and they don't really care what our society will look like, as long as we behave ourselves and don't harm the planet. They want to pacify us and also make sure we stop polluting and destroying the planet. The Allies also say that the Collective might want to reduce the number of humans after we've joined the Collective.

UFOs and nukes

As most of you probably know, there have been quite a few instances of UFOs interfering with our nuclear weapons. As if they're trying to warn us. Some people believe the aliens care about us and want to help us, but maybe they're just worried about our priceless planet and not us?

This is the Disclosure conference on UFOs and Nukes, for people that haven't seen it yet:



The Allies say the Collective is already influencing us on our planet in different ways. They have made deals with our governments, but after a few decades the governments found out the true intentions of the Greys and they started resisting. The Collective is now targeting business people to be their followers, promising them power and wealth. And they've also been targeting religious people and spiritual people like mediums.

Especially towards the religious and spiritual people, a message of love and positivity is being communicated.

Steven Greer

Now this is where the Disclosure Project might come in and also Steven Greer. Steven Greer claims that there are no aliens abducting humans and that it's only the military that does the abductions. Greer is also VERY focused on new energy systems to get us off polluting fossil fuels. And of course Greer is challenging our governments worldwide and tries to undermine them.

Might it be that Greer is willingly or unwillingly controlled by the Collective? According to the Allies, the government now knows the true intentions of the Greys and has therefore become the enemy of the Collective. Is this the reason why Greer is being nothing but positive about our alien visitors and nothing but negative about the government and is he so obsessed about clean energy technologies because the value of the planet needs to be protected for the business interests of the Collective?

And has Greer started his CE 5 protocols because the Collective needs humanity to embrace them, so that we will join their Collective out of our own free will, as required by the current ground rules being applied in our part of the universe?

Mind Control

According to abduction researchers, the hybrids integrating in our society have strong mental abilities and can take control of humans relatively easy.

Is Greer being used? Greer does report that he has had abduction experiences in the past and the abduction researchers say that the hybrids integrate into our society with the help of abductees, many of them not even aware of this because of the mind control.

Is this the reason why Greer is losing it, why he is so wacky? And is Greer becoming greedy because he is just a human being going out of control?

Greer's team left him 2 years ago and they've been threathened after that:

projectavalon.net...

Just before that, the Indian director helping Greer with making the Sirius documentary, lost both his parents in the Sikh-temple shooting that had some characteristics of a false flag:

www.disclose.tv...

Greer admitted later that he and his entire team had received threats while filming Sirius.

Might Greer be in the middle of a battle between the Collective and their hybrids (threatening the employees that left Greer) and the government that is trying to resist Greer's attempts to convince humanity that aliens are loving peaceful beings, because the government knows they're not?

Also, there's many other serious researchers that have come to the conclusion that not all aliens have good intentions. Greer must have an agenda when he says aliens want the best for us and that they don't abduct humans.

The cover-up

Then finally, some other final pieces:

It is claimed that during the Apollo missions, we found that aliens were present on the moon. Some researchers say the Greys and maybe other species (all part of the Collective?) have a base on the moon and that we humans have been warned to not go back to the moon. It would make sense for the aliens to have a base there, if they're conducting a decades long infiltration program.

This is Sergeant Karl Wolfe, saying he saw pictures of structures on the moon:



Other witnesses have testified that we have satellites or even weapons pointed out into space.

This whole entire situation might be the reason why there still is a UFO cover-up. How on Earth are you going to inform the public about the reality of aliens and UFOs when the situation is not under control yet?

This is also something Richard Dolan has alluded to. That behind the scenes, action is being taken to protect humanity. And don't forget that Richard Dolan is a trustworthy researcher who is approached also by whistleblowers that do not want to be known publicly. Dolan might know things that he can't really share openly and in detail, because he can't mention these sources.

Whatever the case, I hoped you enjoyed this read and please don't be too hard on me

At last , something other than politics and world affairs. S&F just for breaking the monotony of late . Havent read through completely yet , but interesting theories and thread nonetheless .

i have a problem buying into abductions for the motive of making hybrids.

It doesn't make sense.

We have plenty of sperm and egg banks, housed in facilities where upon they could just go rob those. Pull off a big heist as opposed to traversing halfway across the universe, sneaking into a bedroom to take one person at a time.

I mean really think about that.

I think there is life out there, but I don't think they are visiting for the sole purpose of extracting eggs and sperm.

It sounded like you had some real insights to share, considering you pointed to the "serious side" of ufology, and testimonies of credible and decorated military personell and astronauts. Not to mention documents released under FOIA requests. I really looked forward to you connecting the dots in this respect.

Instead, you abandoned this "serious side" to focus on some of the more unsubstantiated and outlandish obscurities of ufology I can think of. This left me a bit disappointed really.

Thanks for sharing though.

heres some advice. there is no connecting the dots. you arent gonna figure anything out. just let it go. there is almost no information worth trusting out there. its pointless as pointless gets. galactic treaties and alien republics and all that is all none sense. we simply dont know and im not sure we ever will. hell for all i or anyone else knows there are no physical alien beings visiting. all we have is anecdotes and outlandish theories.

a reply to: Neill887

I enjoyed it. Read a bit in the allies of humanity and the unseen ones reminded me a bit of the archons i stumbled upon recently.
After all it depends if you had personal experiences with this stuff or not if you're a believer or not. I don't think the a.of h. is really THE truth, but it is entertaining.
If there were hybrids wouldn't it be known? Their DNA would be different maybe even the blood type or physiology?
But the mind to be the contact port, that is sthg i believe to be true.

originally posted by: Droogie
It sounded like you had some real insights to share, considering you pointed to the "serious side" of ufology, and testimonies of credible and decorated military personell and astronauts. Not to mention documents released under FOIA requests. I really looked forward to you connecting the dots in this respect.

Instead, you abandoned this "serious side" to focus on some of the more unsubstantiated and outlandish obscurities of ufology I can think of. This left me a bit disappointed really.

Thanks for sharing though.

But what are your thoughts on Steven Greer for instance?

Why is Greer so adamant about aliens being nothing but peace-loving beings that want the best for us?

Why does Greer say it's only the military doing abductions and then planting false memories in our heads to blame aliens?

I don't buy that Greer is just in this for money. He did a good job organizing the Disclosure Project and he gained the trust of some very down to earth high-ranking military officers. I do believe Greer's intentions, when it comes to Disclosure, are more than just wanting fame and money.

originally posted by: violet
i have a problem buying into abductions for the motive of making hybrids.

It doesn't make sense.

We have plenty of sperm and egg banks, housed in facilities where upon they could just go rob those. Pull off a big heist as opposed to traversing halfway across the universe, sneaking into a bedroom to take one person at a time.

I mean really think about that.

I think there is life out there, but I don't think they are visiting for the sole purpose of extracting eggs and sperm.

Maybe it's because they want to know where the sperm and eggs are coming from?

Researchers and abductees claim, that often members of the same family of different generations are being abducted. Maybe that's because they found some genes that suit their purposes.

originally posted by: Neill887

originally posted by: Droogie
It sounded like you had some real insights to share, considering you pointed to the "serious side" of ufology, and testimonies of credible and decorated military personell and astronauts. Not to mention documents released under FOIA requests. I really looked forward to you connecting the dots in this respect.

Instead, you abandoned this "serious side" to focus on some of the more unsubstantiated and outlandish obscurities of ufology I can think of. This left me a bit disappointed really.

Thanks for sharing though.

But what are your thoughts on Steven Greer for instance?

Why is Greer so adamant about aliens being nothing but peace-loving beings that want the best for us?

Why does Greer say it's only the military doing abductions and then planting false memories in our heads to blame aliens?

I don't buy that Greer is just in this for money. He did a good job organizing the Disclosure Project and he gained the trust of some very down to earth high-ranking military officers. I do believe Greer's intentions, when it comes to Disclosure, are more than just wanting fame and money.

The Greer thread is over there-------->



But enough about Greer. Let's talk about Greer.

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
heres some advice. there is no connecting the dots. you arent gonna figure anything out. just let it go. there is almost no information worth trusting out there. its pointless as pointless gets. galactic treaties and alien republics and all that is all none sense. we simply dont know and im not sure we ever will. hell for all i or anyone else knows there are no physical alien beings visiting. all we have is anecdotes and outlandish theories.

Maybe galactic treaties are nonsense, maybe not.

Maybe life in the universe is comparable with how things work on Earth. Maybe we are making life in the universe too mystical. Why wouldn't the same processes take place in the universe? The same interactions between different peoples but than on a grand scale. There might be wars, there might be trade, there might be alliances. I don't see why that would be so odd.

originally posted by: Droogie
It sounded like you had some real insights to share, considering you pointed to the "serious side" of ufology, and testimonies of credible and decorated military personell and astronauts. Not to mention documents released under FOIA requests. I really looked forward to you connecting the dots in this respect.

Instead, you abandoned this "serious side" to focus on some of the more unsubstantiated and outlandish obscurities of ufology I can think of. This left me a bit disappointed really.

Thanks for sharing though.

But did it make you think about how life in the universe might be organized?

Did you find this perspective interesting?

a reply to: Neill887

its not, im talking about the entirety of the whole extra terrestrial phenomenon. its all bull#. its impossible to know anything for sure. you can listen to all the testimony you want and read all the documents you want but it doesnt make any of it be real or matter.

you just took one thing and ran with it and ignored the other 90% of what i said.

there is no conclusive evidence of physical visitation. the closes thing we have imo is markings and "implants", but even those lead to nowhere. my point is the whole study of ufology and all that entails it is super pointless.

but if you really really wanna get down to it yeah other sentient human like life forms probably live the exact same way we do. and some might not. some might have a mouth where their eyes are and eyes where there nipples are. who cares.

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: Neill887

its not, im talking about the entirety of the whole extra terrestrial phenomenon. its all bull#. its impossible to know anything for sure. you can listen to all the testimony you want and read all the documents you want but it doesnt make any of it be real or matter.

you just took one thing and ran with it and ignored the other 90% of what i said.

there is no conclusive evidence of physical visitation. the closes thing we have imo is markings and "implants", but even those lead to nowhere. my point is the whole study of ufology and all that entails it is super pointless.

but if you really really wanna get down to it yeah other sentient human like life forms probably live the exact same way we do. and some might not. some might have a mouth where their eyes are and eyes where there nipples are. who cares.

If it's all bull# and super pointless, why are you even posting in this sub-forum?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Neill887

I enjoyed it. Read a bit in the allies of humanity and the unseen ones reminded me a bit of the archons i stumbled upon recently.
After all it depends if you had personal experiences with this stuff or not if you're a believer or not. I don't think the a.of h. is really THE truth, but it is entertaining.
If there were hybrids wouldn't it be known? Their DNA would be different maybe even the blood type or physiology?
But the mind to be the contact port, that is sthg i believe to be true.

There is actually one interesting case concerning alien/hybrid DNA:

A Sydney, Australia abduction experience from 1992, with biological evidence, became the subject of the world's first DNA PCR "alien abduction" related investigation, yielding intriguing results that have suggested fascinating new lines of investigation and speculation.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

And I also think it's very well possible that the computer we call the mind, can be used in way more ways than we are aware of now.

originally posted by: draknoir2

The Greer thread is over there-------->

But enough about Greer. Let's talk about Greer.

You don't really like me do you?

If I've stepped on your toes in a previous thread, I apologize. Can we now try to get along and make sure this forum is a positive place for everyone?

originally posted by: Droogie
It sounded like you had some real insights to share, considering you pointed to the "serious side" of ufology, and testimonies of credible and decorated military personell and astronauts. Not to mention documents released under FOIA requests. I really looked forward to you connecting the dots in this respect.

Instead, you abandoned this "serious side" to focus on some of the more unsubstantiated and outlandish obscurities of ufology I can think of. This left me a bit disappointed really.

Thanks for sharing though.

I hear what you're saying. Maybe I should have clearly said in the introduction there was going to be a LOT of speculation. I did hint at that by saying people might think I'm too far out and I did say the Allies books were good science fiction at the very least.

Next time I will put a clear disclaimer in the introduction

Well of course there are plenty of reasons why aliens might exist, as well as a some reasons to think that UFOs might have something to do with these hypothetical aliens.

But as many people have pointed out many times here, at the moment there is not one good piece of evidence that proves aliens actually exist, or have anything at all to do with UFOs.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Well of course there are plenty of reasons why aliens might exist, as well as a some reasons to think that UFOs might have something to do with these hypothetical aliens.

But as many people have pointed out many times here, at the moment there is not one good piece of evidence that proves aliens actually exist, or have anything at all to do with UFOs.

If there's only one high-ranking person sharing their experience with the UFO-phenomenon, then I would not have been interested in this subject. But since there's quite a few high-ranking military personnel and astronauts, ex-CIA, etc. sharing their testimony about the UFO-phenomenon, I think you can classify that as good evidence. It's not definitive scientific proof of course, but it's still good evidence.

originally posted by: Neill887

originally posted by: violet
i have a problem buying into abductions for the motive of making hybrids.

It doesn't make sense.

We have plenty of sperm and egg banks, housed in facilities where upon they could just go rob those. Pull off a big heist as opposed to traversing halfway across the universe, sneaking into a bedroom to take one person at a time.

I mean really think about that.

I think there is life out there, but I don't think they are visiting for the sole purpose of extracting eggs and sperm.

Maybe it's because they want to know where the sperm and eggs are coming from?

Researchers and abductees claim, that often members of the same family of different generations are being abducted. Maybe that's because they found some genes that suit their purposes.

Sperm banks keep track of who the donors are though and being they are an intelligent race they can easily figure this out and all the details are there for them.

The research into this years ago strongly indicates the alien abduction phenomenon was fabricated in the 90's. So I'm sticking to my guns on this opinion. Sorry about that