San Bernardino, Calif., fire units responding to reports of 20-victim shooting incident -

a reply to: Plantagenet


Standard protocol when explosives may be involved. (former EMT here)

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: retiredTxn
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I and several others have downloaded the video. Sure looks like Police responding to me.

It could be, I suppose. Either way, doesn't explain how witnesses reported three shooters, and this was stated repeatdly, then that number somehow dropped to two far later.

Witnesses and footage showed 3 people leaving and coming back with 'assault' rifles

a reply to: Plantagenet

Because it was still a hot zone. 100% in policy. EMS aren't combat medics.

a reply to: Plantagenet

Witnesses aren't the voice of God and infallible.

What footage?

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: retiredTxn
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I and several others have downloaded the video. Sure looks like Police responding to me.

It could be, I suppose. Either way, doesn't explain how witnesses reported three shooters, and this was stated repeatdly, then that number somehow dropped to two far later.

Witnesses and footage showed 3 people leaving and coming back with 'assault' rifles

What footage shows 3 people leaving and coming back with assault rifles?

As for witnesses stick 20 people in a room and show them a 5 second burst of a TV show then tell me how many different variations you get. Proving something hinges on way more than witness accounts.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
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Standard protocol when explosives may be involved. (former EMT here)

how did they determine explosives may be involved - wouldn't shooting at an explosive van in a residential area likewise be a no-no, esp not stopping shooting till both Suspects" dead?

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
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Standard protocol when explosives may be involved. (former EMT here)

how did they determine explosives may be involved - wouldn't shooting at an explosive van in a residential area likewise be a no-no, esp not stopping shooting till both Suspects" dead?

Probably because the criminals were shooting at them so their was no reason to think they wouldn't have explosives?

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
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Standard protocol when explosives may be involved. (former EMT here)

how did they determine explosives may be involved - wouldn't shooting at an explosive van in a residential area likewise be a no-no, esp not stopping shooting till both Suspects" dead?

Probably because the criminals were shooting at them so their was no reason to think they wouldn't have explosives?

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Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

Why hasnt a photo of the wife been released alongside the husband's yet: why the delay?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Plantagenet

Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

I don't see any evidence of officials shot at by suspects. footage please .

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Shamrock6
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Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

I don't see any evidence of officials shot at by suspects. footage please .

Ahh okay, you are one of those people.
The officer getting hit, the recording of the gunfire, the witnesses that saw the shootout..

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


It was reported from the onset that there were between 1-3 suspects.

7th post, page 1:

CNN reporting the police are looking for 1-3 shooters

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originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Shamrock6
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Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

I don't see any evidence of officials shot at by suspects. footage please .

I asked for your footage first, guy. Footage, please.

originally posted by: Plantagenet
Why were the suspects shot dead and no EMT responders allowed near their bodies?

LEOS fired more than 300 rounds. The approaching SWAT team members probably took one quick look and knew that they were very dead. All SWATS are also EMT certified.

So are they still looking for a third perp to name?

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Plantagenet

Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

I don't see any evidence of officials shot at by suspects. footage please .

Ahh okay, you are one of those people.
The officer getting hit, the recording of the gunfire, the witnesses that saw the shootout..

*recordings of gunfire.

Both civilian and LE. Multiple radio transmissions with gunfire clearly audible, including during the chase. At least two people recorded the gun battle, at least the audio, on their cell phones.

Not that I expect that matters. As you said, "one of those people."

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Plantagenet

Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

I don't see any evidence of officials shot at by suspects. footage please .

I asked for your footage first, guy. Footage, please.

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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Plantagenet

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Plantagenet

Because explosives had already been found.

What do you propose they do when the subjects are shooting at them? Duck and hope they don't hit anybody?

I don't see any evidence of officials shot at by suspects. footage please .

Ahh okay, you are one of those people.
The officer getting hit, the recording of the gunfire, the witnesses that saw the shootout..

*recordings of gunfire.

Both civilian and LE. Multiple radio transmissions with gunfire clearly audible, including during the chase. At least two people recorded the gun battle, at least the audio, on their cell phones.

Not that I expect that matters. As you said, "one of those people."

Are you able to tell from audio who fired the shots??? If so, please tell me how? Not disputing the police story, just curious how audio alone can be corroboration?

a reply to: ReadLeader

Why is this turning into a gun control discussion on liberal TV and with our communist president?

So, if I have this straight, two radicalized Muslims killed 15 people at a Christmas party and this has turned into a conversation about gun control and refuges... because..... WHY?

Please enlighten me.