King Hezekiah's Seal Discovered in Jerusalem.

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: stormbringer1701
did i mention that the way judaism recons geneology is not the way we do it? the inclusion of both maternal and "paternal" geneologies is unusual for the traditions of judaism. There is one other instance of this deviation from judaic ways of reconning geneology occurring in the bible. Adam appears to get this treatment in Genesis but in reality one of them is a geneology of Cain.

This is interesting though, when Adam and Eve had two kids and those kids went out and got married
Who did they marry ?

while bible apologetics say they married sisters (who aren't in the geneologies due to judaic and protojudaic) cultural issues I think they married the sixth day creation mankind. Mankind preexisted Adam the man the progenitor of a specific people whom god made to bear a savior from the very beginning.

Anyway preadamic man had been busy. remember six day man had been made both male and female on the same darned "day." they were reproducing like rabbits making cities having wars and everything. Adam the individual was made after God's sabbath and eve was made a day after him. whatever a day is. The language in the original text supports this.

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Marduk

Judah, was a small tribal kingdom consisting of dozens of cities at the time of david, there were eleven additional hebrew tribes spread out across the land since the conquest of Joshua.
Further proof is the video in the op of assyrian pillars celebrating victories.against judean cities.
You dont carve out a huge pillar after defeating a wee tribe.

None of which mentions David at all
your qualification for what constitutes proof is severely lacking, are you perhaps religious
lol

New Archeology Supports Existence of King David

continuing the thought; ADM has the following meanings:

ADM: adama, earth, blood, to blush, to bring blood to the face, ruddy complected, a man, mankind in general, a specific man's name (and more meanings besides these.)

In the genesis 1 creation narrative sixth day verse Adam is "ha adm."
In the genesis 2 verse about adam's creation adam is rendered "ha eth adm." which can be rendered The/this very man Adam. a person instead of the impersonal treatment in Genesis 1.

did you ever notice how Adam is not mentioned in Cain's geneology?

anyway back on topic:

In gen 2 God makes a bunch of beasties, herbs and food plants. all of these mentioned in Gen 2 are animals and plants and so forth meant for food for mankind. animals to be domesticated. plants to be domesticated. then God looks around and says he has noone to be a farmer/husbandman. then he makes ha eth adam. Adam he places in a garden. Adam tends the garden. adam is a farmer/husbandman.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Adom also importatly means Red. and is an illusion to the Roman empire who is descended from Edom, the progeny of Esau

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Because the Serpent was the Father of Cain

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Because the Serpent was the Father of Cain

indeed. but you opened a huge can of worms there. a very complicated and difficult topic especially trying to convince those with a leftward leaning heart. even most Christians fail on that topic.

originally posted by: dashen
New Archeology Supports Existence of King David

No idea why you have posted that to me at all

a reply to: stormbringer1701

The Serpent was likely a Human or Late Model Homo Sapiens. ADAM was likely the first Human with a "Soul" or a Synthetic Higher Human.

a reply to: Marduk

no idea? really??

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Marduk

no idea? really??

No idea, its like you are pretending that at some point I have stated that king David didn't exist
I have never said that at all
I have said that the claims made about him in the bible were exaggerated
Your link is about as supportive as claiming that Hogwarts exists because there is a real Scotland
Now wash the fundamentalist crap out of your ears and move on

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: stormbringer1701

The Serpent was likely a Human or Late Model Homo Sapiens. ADAM was likely the first Human with a "Soul" or a Synthetic Higher Human.

The Serpent is a title of Satan. Satan can only be considered human in the broadest sense possible. he was a cherub. a type of angelic being. Angels were too. the angels with a few exceptions can be classified as human because at one point all humans were angels awaiting incarnation in the flesh or already having finished being in human flesh. Satan was also the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Christ was also present in the garden as the tree of life. That is why Adam was driven from the garden so he could not become immortal in corruptible human flesh. Christ is again referred to as a tree of life in revelation. God refers to himself as a tree in a more symbolic sense. He says he is like a giant fir tree evergreen not dying immortal, etc. The Bible refers to people as trees symbolically too: especially fig trees and olive trees.

Gen 3:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Revelations:

King James Bible rev 22:2

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Ezekeil:

Ezekiel 47:12
Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing."

What Eve did had nothing to do with eating literal fruit.

incidently the bit about on your belly will you go and dust though shall you eat etc... is not about how the snake lost it's legs. it is about abasement and humiliation from ancient cultural sayings. in Hebrew, proto-hebrew or ancient cultures in general grovelling on the ground was the ultimate in submission, self abasement and so on. I wouldn't say it's a hebraism exactly because it is probably a shared concept with other similar cultures. It means he will be utterly defeated. possibly beats the seed/head/heel verse as the first messianic prophesy.

a reply to: Marduk

And you are saying with some sort of authority that he did not conquer all the surrounding lands during his reign?

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Was Jesus ever actually anointed By a prophet?

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Was Jesus ever actually anointed By a prophet?

God prophesied. Does he count? Annointed has more than one meaning.

Another meaning for the word anointed is "chosen one." The Bible says that Jesus Christ was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit to spread the Good News and free those who have been held captive by sin (Luke 4:18-19; Acts 10:38). After Christ left the earth, He gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16). Now all Christians are anointed, chosen for a specific purpose in furthering God's Kingdom (1 John 2:20). "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee" (2 Corinthians 1:21-22).

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Marduk

And you are saying with some sort of authority that he did not conquer all the surrounding lands during his reign?

I am saying as I have said several times already but which your belief system has left you incapable of understanding, that if he did conquer all the surrounding lands during his reign, there should be a lot more archaeological proof of the fact, rather than practically nothing

Take Sargon the great for instance, archaeology is overloaded with evidence for every claim made for him, including the story of his birth stolen and copied into the birth of Moses, and he lived 1500 years earlier than David.

David existed, but his fame has grown in the retelling. Sargons fame is attested from contemporary evidence, which is what you expect to find in a truthful account. Davids contemporary evidence is what you would expect to find in myth making

Do you understand that dudebro ?

God prophesied. Does he count? Annointed has more than one meaning.

You only have hearsay evidence that he existed at all, so no, he doesn't count, unless you can produce him

a reply to: Marduk

The major difference is that Sargon the rain stretched across the whole Mesopotamian Basin and beyond.
David controlled Transjordan and modern day Israel, A fraction of the area. Another major difference is that David Did not raze conquered cities. He subjugated them and made them pay taxes to the monarchy.
So there likely won't be as significant a path of destruction as during Sargons reign.
Also Hebrew kings were not particularly known for giant Monuments dedicated to their self aggrandizement

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Marduk

The major difference is that Sargon the rain stretched across the whole Mesopotamian Basin and beyond.
David controlled Transjordan and modern day Israel, A fraction of the area. Another major difference is that David Did not raze conquered cities. He subjugated them and made them pay taxes to the monarchy.
So there likely won't be as significant a path of destruction as during Sargons reign.
Also Hebrew kings were not particularly known for giant Monuments dedicated to their self aggrandizement

No, the major difference is that Israel has a hundred times the amount of Archaeological digs that Mesopotamia ever had
You'll make up anything to shore up your crumbling faith won't you