Not only mars, but Space is an elaborate lie

a reply to: boymonkey74

Inner mind explorers, who use enhanced tools to achieve such exploration.

a reply to: awareness10

What is Talbots book? A theory?

Sorry, I mean 'theory'?

Soon you will be able to go for yourself and see for yourself as a space tourist (well if your not rich then maybe a little later..).

Still does not mean anything is 'real'.

Nasa Rover Thread4/pg1

The lies are just getting harder to cover up?

hmmm

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: laminatedsoul

Whats a psychonaut?.

After contacting my sources, I have actually captured a picture of two psychonauts in their natural habitat



They also say "dude" and "whoa" a lot , I myself being an experienced psychonaut.

if you waste 13 of your years forced to go to school and study math, then you voluntarily go to college to study math for another 6 years. that is 19 years of your life "invested" in the belief system of math.

this is why any of you cannot even consider these theories i present, as you are too invested in your math. you cannot part with it because you have held it dear too long.

if a prisoner gets tortured for 13 years, then is shown there is a door, does he leave the door only to make a prison and imprison another for 13 years? or can the prisoner let it go because he believes he doesn't need to stay invested in the "time" spent with that activity?

originally posted by: sociolpath
if you waste 13 of your years forced to go to school and study math, then you voluntarily go to college to study math for another 6 years. that is 19 years of your life "invested" in the belief system of math.

this is why any of you cannot even consider these theories i present, as you are too invested in your math. you cannot part with it because you have held it dear too long.

if a prisoner gets tortured for 13 years, then is shown there is a door, does he leave the door only to make a prison and imprison another for 13 years? or can the prisoner let it go because he believes he doesn't need to stay invested in the "time" spent with that activity?

The prisoner will likely commit another crime so he can be sent back, because it's all he knows. Is that what happened to you?

Funny though, you'd think I'd be able to follow because I can't maths good.

a reply to: Chadwickus

If you're interested then just read it and find out

a reply to: awareness10

I'm not interested in reading it, I'm interested in why you are so sure that what's in the book is so much more credible than other theories?

And with such conviction?

Must be a lot of confirmation bias in your holographic universe...

a reply to: Rosinitiate

you still believe in math, because you believe in those who are invested in math. therefore you believe nasa, and therfore you are the prisoner, over and over.

i cannot say exactly is what in the skies. i just know its unprovable by math. and astronomers, or supoosed astronaughts do not know.

i do not come here because i like computers. i come here because i want to show humans what i've observed, of their behaviors and their world.

computers would not exist without math. this too is a great sorcory. because these are causing more disorder in the world than order. the more time is measured, the more the natural worlds time is thrown out of order. this will continue until there is too much disorder.

notice the increase in disorder in the surrounding area when a new iphone is released for sale.

You are seriously delusional.

I found a proof that math doesn't work.

I had three apples.
Sally offered to trade a kiss for one of my apples.
Now I have no apples, and Sally has six bushels of apples.

originally posted by: sociolpath
a reply to: Rosinitiate

you still believe in math, because you believe in those who are invested in math. therefore you believe nasa, and therfore you are the prisoner, over and over.

i cannot say exactly is what in the skies. i just know its unprovable by math. and astronomers, or supoosed astronaughts do not know.

i do not come here because i like computers. i come here because i want to show humans what i've observed, of their behaviors and their world.

computers would not exist without math. this too is a great sorcory. because these are causing more disorder in the world than order. the more time is measured, the more the natural worlds time is thrown out of order. this will continue until there is too much disorder.

notice the increase in disorder in the surrounding area when a new iphone is released for sale.

......I'm still not picking up what you are throwing down. You will have to elaborate.

You say you don't know what is up there but you don't believe in math. Ok, fine.

Another poster referenced it and I think you should really read into the holographic universe theory. It supports your idea without all the "I don't know's but math sucks" comments. I can get behind holographic universe, but that doesn't make the stars or planets "not real" it makes your entire perceived existence "not real" you exist within your own mind and nothing you perceive is outside of that mind. You only think it is.

Assuming you're not just trolling (hard to tell), good luck on your search for truth.

originally posted by: sociolpath
a reply to: Rosinitiate
you still believe in math, because you believe in those who are invested in math. therefore you believe nasa, and therfore you are the prisoner, over and over.

Em no, I believe in my own intellect. I can look up (just like you) and come to my own conclusions. All the scientific community does is put everything under a microscope should you want to invest any more time into 'your own' research. So instead of insulting the ATS community (or using your terminology 'prisoners') how about you do your own research by going to your local library (or using your logic 'the theater of lies') or maybe browse the internet (or using your logic 'the theater of lies') or maybe discuss the topic with seasoned professionals in all applicable fields associated with space exploration (or using your logic 'liars') or maybe spend more time looking up at the sky to ascertain a better understanding of the mechanics of your surroundings (or using your logic 'projected bare-faced lies').

Following your hard-work into researching this field then and only then should you initiate a discussion on the ATS forum.

i am not trolling. i continue to elaborate but with more ridicule by those who think they are comedians.
to those:
we are not purchasing or asking for your humor, and we do not want your humor.
take your humor somewhere else, i created this thread for discussion of real topics not comedy.

i think this is a serious issue that needs consideration, because obviously almost all of you already have strong beliefs about the topic, and you have always had one belief about it and will not consider anything otherwise aparently.

so if the stars in the sky began to fall out of the sky tonight, where would your math be then?

a reply to: sociolpath

I know there's free speech and all that but... seriously. What a complete waste of time, on our part for having read this, and ATS' part for having to host the digital information representing this moronic rant.

originally posted by: sociolpath
i am not trolling. i continue to elaborate but with more ridicule by those who think they are comedians.

No, you keep re-stating your BELIEF, you don't offer any proof. You even say in your posts your aren't very good at math - and if you're debunking the maths used to explain how certain astrophysical properties work, how is anyone going to take you seriously?

so if the stars in the sky began to fall out of the sky tonight, where would your math be then?

In the same place it is now, as mathematics is not based on BELIEF.

a reply to: sociolpath

I've had many belief's over the years and it continues to evolve. I entertain several unique and fundamentally different ideas about existence. I don't hold fast to any one idea.

That said, your OP and subsequent posts have not offered any rationale alternative. You just says stars are not real and math sucks. If you're looking for a real discussion than why not put together a theory of your own and share with the community. I'll bet you we'd be more serious.

Humor is fine, don't get discouraged. Try a different approach maybe? Ask some question of the community? Offer a counter argument? If you aren't allowed to use math to prove your theory than how do we go about validating it in an unmathy way?

a reply to: Chadwickus

It's what lead me from A to Z. I no longer believe it was like a stepping stone, which was quite helpful when i needed to understand things. Curious minds do that you know, look beyond what they're brainwashed into agreeing with.

And no i'm not going to write a book for you on why because it would take longer for me to do that than for you to read that book.

i never once said stars are not real. stars are real and they are in the sky, but using math there is no way to prove what they are.

i keep repeating this because people keep saying that i said they are not real. i never once said this and repeatedly said they are real, but they are not what astronomers told you and they are not the same thing as the sun.

i dont have anything else to say on this subject. i will look up the holographic universe because that is the only thing anyone provided in response that may be of any subsequent related from the information i presented and am not impressed with the ability for anyone to even consider other theories.

as to my theory of what stars are, i think they are the angels of the celestial plane, and the wandering stars are the stars that are going against the natural order. as these are living beings with abilities beyond what any human can ever imagine, they are great deceivers.

which is part of the theory i provided earlier in this topic. not only is NASA and the astronomers deceived, but they are deceived by the very stars they worship. doing so they cause many to worship the unnatural stars that are causing the disorder in the world.