France Begin Shutting Down Alternative News Websites

a reply to: Passerby1996

ISIS and the gov. are on the same side.

ISIS is a tool of the Western governments.

It's them VS us.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Misunderstandings happen, so it's alright.

But still, the events over the entire time ISIS reached it's "peak" in 2014 have to do more with human emotion distorting logic rather than pure logic.

If the terrorists thought through their actions every time they tried to commit an act of terror ... well ... there would likely be far fewer, if any, terror attacks. The terrorists are bombing these cities because they're furious. Fury clouds judgment, so furious individuals tend to take the simplest way to achieve their goals as it requires less thought. Therefore, the easiest route they can take to successfully launch an attack WILL be the route taken. This "easy" route for a would-be terrorist evidently manifests itself as sheer barbaric violence and cruelty.

Yet, if a would-be terrorist was able to calm-down (a thing much easier said than done), they would likely realize "Hey! If I start bombing these cities and killing all these people, won't that just give my enemies more power and conviction to destroy me?" This line of reasoning is true until one of the sides, the terrorists and everyone else, is completely exterminated. If that scenario were ever to come true for either surviving side, the world probably wouldn't be worth living in any longer as the personal-liberties of the many would be nonexistant.

You see my point? This isn't a logical situation, and will never end until we put logic before our human drives and desires.

originally posted by: and14263

Read my first response to enlightenedservant. I'm not going to keep typing the same response to these replies.

If you don't feel like reading it, I can summarize it for you. Technically I was wrong, but at the same time I was technically right. You're also right in saying that ISIS and the western governments are the same, but at the same time they're quite different. Really, it depends on your perspective. It's a perfect "Chicken or the Egg" scenario, as many complicated events like this are.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
Now Bluesma says the sites are working fine. Is it possible that they are only blocked in France? Seriously, is that even possible? I've got a lot of impressive talents but computer stuff is not one of them. Anyone in France here on ATS? Maybe they can confirm/deny.

Bluesma is in France.

originally posted by: Willtell
And only Putin has a real coalition to fight ISIS

Putin is there for one reason, and is the same as the reason the West is there: self interest.

Russia wants an oil pipeline through Syria, and wants to defend his Syrian naval base, as well as prop up his ally, Assad.

Don't be so naive.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

Now Bluesma says the sites are working fine. Is it possible that they are only blocked in France? Seriously, is that even possible? I've got a lot of impressive talents but computer stuff is not one of them. Anyone in France here on ATS? Maybe they can confirm/deny.

Well, I'm in France, and some others here that have checked and gone to the sites aren't in France, so I guess they are accessible whether you are in or out.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
Is it possible that they are only blocked in France? Seriously, is that even possible?

Well, I'm in France, and some others here that have checked and gone to the sites aren't in France, so I guess they are accessible whether you are in or out.

Unless you're talking about something different than I am or something more specific perhaps, then I don't know about countries blocking access to a site (although I know it happens in places like China and Cuba every day...I think the people in said places are only able to access the WWW thru government sanctioned providers which explains it). But I know a SITE can block all traffic from a certain place since I have often been blocked from watching news, shopping, or listening to music even via sites as big as YouTube and it's always because I'm in a different country that they're "not licensed to broadcast in," they, "can't play soundtracks because of copyright laws in my location," or some other error message that accompanies the blocked site. But I dunno about how a country could block all it's people from a site when they are connected thru a hundred different private providers without simply threatening the site itself with legal action for not blocking it's citizens from access. Or I guess a site always could CLAIM a nation or any other entity is blocking ppl from their site when in try th it's the site lying and stirring the conspiratorial pot for whatever reason and pointing fingers at the nation's gov to explain why ppl can't get in.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Passerby1996

ISIS and the gov. are on the same side.

ISIS is a tool of the Western governments.

It's them VS us.

I agree completely. ISISUS is what it's all about, and they are funded by all our "friends".

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat


Unless you're talking about something different than I am or something more specific perhaps, then I don't know about countries blocking access to a site (although I know it happens in places like China and Cuba every day...I think the people in said places are only able to access the WWW thru government sanctioned providers which explains it). But I know a SITE can block all traffic from a certain place since I have often been blocked from watching news, shopping, or listening to music even via sites as big as YouTube and it's always because I'm in a different country that they're "not licensed to broadcast in," they, "can't play soundtracks because of copyright laws in my location," or some other error message that accompanies the blocked site. But I dunno about how a country could block all it's people from a site when they are connected thru a hundred different private providers without simply threatening the site itself with legal action for not blocking it's citizens from access. Or I guess a site always could CLAIM a nation or any other entity is blocking ppl from their site when in try th it's the site lying and stirring the conspiratorial pot for whatever reason and pointing fingers at the nation's gov to explain why ppl can't get in.

I don't know what you're talking about. I was just answering ladyvalkyrie's question - the sites mentioned are currently accessable in France.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: dreamingawake
No, no...I was listing sites that were reporting the French censorship.

As far as the site that shall not be named, ATS itself blocked that from my post! I guess it's such a POS that if you even type in the name of the website, the ATS programming automatically blocks it. In my original post I typed the name of the website just like all the others, hit enter, and ATS automatically changed it to [hate-site-nolink].

That happened to me a few months ago where I tried to enter a link and ATS automatically blocked it. Those sites must be REALLY bad. Yikes.

I was just trying to find some sources for ArMaP. I found that list, but none of them sound very reliable. Good on you for finding better stuff!

This is probably what most French posts on non-blocked forums look like when discussing the blocked ones now.

Oh the irony of it all........

a reply to: nullafides

This is pure bull#. No website has been closed. Just check them. A paranoid website claiming its "panic" to be closed is not the same thing as actual closing. This is just some propaganda and publicity seeking from such website.

a reply to: javarome

France just warned that this year, they may well have a few issues in order to respect the Universal Declaration of Human rights ...

La France prévient officiellement qu’elle ne respectera peut-être pas les droits de l’Homme

La France vient d’informer le Conseil de l’Europe qu’elle pourra, à cause de l’état d’urgence, déroger à certains droits garantis par la Convention européenne des droits de l’homme et des libertés fondamentales. Tout pays signataire de cette convention peut demander une dérogation à l’application de celle-ci, pour une durée limitée, en cas de guerre mais aussi de « danger public menaçant la vie de la nation ». Et cela dans la « stricte mesure où la situation l’exige », précise l’article 15 de la convention. Situation ironique : la France annonce qu’elle va enfreindre des droits et libertés fondamentales – et l’officialise – pour combattre ceux qui menacent les droits et libertés...

France just warned the Council of Europe that they might fail to comply, because of the emergency state, with some individual rights as stated in the European convention of human rights. Every country who signed this convention may ask to skip part of its application, for a limited amount of time, in case of war but also « for an imminent threat towards the existence of a nation ». And this, « only when needed » as stated in the article 15 of the said convention. Ironical situation : France announce they will break the human rights chart - and make it official - in order to fight those who threaten those rights and freedoms...

Here is the point of view of Human Right Watch on the topic :

France: New Emergency Powers Threaten Rights

originally posted by: nightbringr

Russia wants an oil pipeline through Syria, and wants to defend his Syrian naval base, as well as prop up his ally, Assad.

Don't be so naive.

Well you are messing up some of the details, and also, you have totally missed the significance of one of the more amazing developments.

Russia does not need Syria for a pipeline route to Europe; the pipeline route would only be of use to Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab states (chief among them Qatar). Russia basically does NOT want a pipeline there because it would increase competition for oil/gas in Europe and thus put downward price pressure on Russian gas/oil exports to Europe.

Russia also probably just LOST a pipeline route; the South Stream pipeline. The original plan was to run it under the Black Sea to Bulgaria; then, they made a deal with Turkey which would lower construction costs etc by having it take an overland route through Turkey. I haven't seen it specifically mentioned yet, but I would guess that Russia will now have to go back to the undersea route to Bulgaria.

Beyond those details, while Vlad's recent halo is one of those quirks of circumstance, he may like the fit of it. Vlad is indeed flirting with a course of action that could one day see him known far and wide as Vladimir The Great.

It's his unprecedentedly public and honest stand against government sponsored terrorism and covert warfare. For a world leader to publicly lay it bare as he has been doing is unprecedented. Other leaders have had circumstances wherein calling out their opposition like Putin has done would make sense in the short run, but they didn't because of the long run issue of it all being one of those things that elite governments 'all do to each other at some point.'

If Putin continues to hammer away at that point, that world leading governments must reject this long running bad habit as unacceptable in the 21st century and beyond, and if his leadership on that point leads to meaningful agreements wherein there are no CIA backed terrorist organizations, no "proxy wars" funded to "flip" governments etc, then he would indeed deserve to go down in history as Vladimir the Great.

If the bumbling Western coalition keeps pushing his buttons, I think he'll eventually even start to share what Russian intelligence knows about false flag attacks, and I'm not even talking about 9/11. What if he had good evidence that even one "left wing" or "right wing" mass shooting in the US was a state sponsored false flag? I mean wow, heads would spin. Many of us here already expect as much, especially when they happen in pairs, as if one faction does one of theirs and then the other does one of theirs to steal the spotlight back.

There was a cold war saying, that the Russians play chess and the Americans play poker, but Vlad is kicking butt at both games these days.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Passerby1996

ISIS and the gov. are on the same side.

ISIS is a tool of the Western governments.

It's them VS us.

Well said.


I call ISIS.


'IS'US'