Radical Christianity — Pastor Who Hosted GOP: Paris Victims 'Devil-Worshippers'

You know what the primary difference is? Radical Christians are about ten thousand times less likely to commit an actual terroristic act such as suicide bombing, kidnapping and beheading, cutting open the stomachs of those who have been wounded by a grenade they just threw, blowing up Muslim embassies, etc.
More so, the moderate portion of Christianity is far less supportive of it's radical portions than the moderate portions of Islam are to it's extreme elements.

Yeah, this guy is full of unabridged hatred and spews ridiculous anti-whatever he doesn't like rhetoric, but AFAIK, he hasn't incited Christians into walking into a Mosque and opening fire, or told them to get on a plane and go blow up some Muslim Holy sites. So far he is just stating some things he believes, as is his right, just as it is CAIR's right to cry and moan about the supposed discrimination Muslim's face. Its up to them to prove their point of view, and us to cal them bout out on it as to why they are wrong.

To sum: You are comparing the most significant radical Christians to the most significant radical Muslims and their is no contest. The largest extent of radical Christians is basically speaking their mind in church as to why they think Christians are discriminated against and stating what they believe to be no coincidence that a "Satan Worshiping metal band" (or something equally ridiculous) was targeted and killed in a terrorist attack.

The most radical Muslims on the other hand are in positions of true power, sometimes even in an influential governmental position (Iran's head imam for example) they openly advocate for the genocide of Jews, have influence and control over established terrorist groups, and actively tell their members to go out and kill infidels, westerners, etc. They have a large following that is more than willing to carry out attacks on their behalf, and their head leaders (of Muslim radicals) openly and actively support those actions and do not condemn them.

Apples to oranges. You can't compare Christian radicals and Muslim radicals in this manner because the radical elements of Islam are many times closer to the average Muslim than the radical Christians are to the average Christian.

originally posted by: chuck258
You know what the primary difference is? Radical Christians are about ten thousand times less likely to commit an actual terroristic act such as suicide bombing, kidnapping and beheading, cutting open the stomachs of those who have been wounded by a grenade they just threw, blowing up Muslim embassies, etc.
More so, the moderate portion of Christianity is far less supportive of it's radical portions than the moderate portions of Islam are to it's extreme elements.

Yeah, this guy is full of unabridged hatred and spews ridiculous anti-whatever he doesn't like rhetoric, but AFAIK, he hasn't incited Christians into walking into a Mosque and opening fire, or told them to get on a plane and go blow up some Muslim Holy sites. So far he is just stating some things he believes, as is his right, just as it is CAIR's right to cry and moan about the supposed discrimination Muslim's face. Its up to them to prove their point of view, and us to cal them bout out on it as to why they are wrong.

To sum: You are comparing the most significant radical Christians to the most significant radical Muslims and their is no contest. The largest extent of radical Christians is basically speaking their mind in church as to why they think Christians are discriminated against and stating what they believe to be no coincidence that a "Satan Worshiping metal band" (or something equally ridiculous) was targeted and killed in a terrorist attack.

The most radical Muslims on the other hand are in positions of true power, sometimes even in an influential governmental position (Iran's head imam for example) they openly advocate for the genocide of Jews, have influence and control over established terrorist groups, and actively tell their members to go out and kill infidels, westerners, etc. They have a large following that is more than willing to carry out attacks on their behalf, and their head leaders (of Muslim radicals) openly and actively support those actions and do not condemn them.

Apples to oranges. You can't compare Christian radicals and Muslim radicals in this manner because the radical elements of Islam are many times closer to the average Muslim than the radical Christians are to the average Christian.

Well said, though the "10,000 times more likely" statistic is missing a few zeros.

How often do conservatives blast moderate Muslims for the popular perception that they're "not doing enough to denounce radical Islam?" How ironic (and concerning, not to mention hypocritical) is it then that the same people refuse to acknowledge let alone denounce Christian extremists in their own backyard — in their own political party?

radical christianity isn't shooting people and setting off bombs in public places...they're just a bunch of a-holes

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: TheBulk

It's not stupid crap - to hear a community leader calling for the death penalty, sir, is not the same as some kid on the playground making fun of a chubby, clumsy classmate.

And it's doubly troubling that three men running for president SUPPORT HIM.

Trump does not sound so bad now.....does he?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

That one group of candidates are one sort of thoroughly broken and morally maladjusted, does not excuse the failings of another candidate. It merely suggests that none of the front runners are acceptable candidates.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Trump is insane, and a fascist. Why compare him to anyone else?

a reply to: chuck258

So far off base it's ridiculous. Christian extremists blew up the Federal building in OKC. They bomb abortion clinics in the 80's and 90's. We just like to call them "lone wolves" even though it's simple religious extremist domestic terrorism. Christian extremists are off joining "Patriot" militias and building compounds where they stockpile weapons ala the Branch Davidians.

Fact, in my 45 years, Mulsim extremist terrorists have committed two acts her in the U.S. and most of the people in the conspiracy world don't even think they committed those attacks. I do. Bottom line: Acts of violence by proclaimed Chrisians bay FAR outweigh the acts of Muslim extremists kin this country to date. It isn't even close.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Ideologically, the distance between radical Christianity and radical Islam is actually a lot smaller than people are comfortable admitting. I wonder if the biggest difference between the two isn't simply that radical Muslims fundamentalist like those in ISIS rely on terrorists to incite the holy war they both want and radical Christian fundamentalist are counting on lobbyists in our government to accomplish the same.

This highlights EXACTLY where people are going to attack your thread with their rationalizations. You see because Christians aren't actively blowing people up it's ok (or tolerable) to preach extremist philosophy. Never mind that lobbying government can cause FAR more damage than a sole terrorist attack could ever accomplish. I imagine you are going to be stuck explaining this distinction to quite a few Christians in this thread. That is if they decide to even respond to your thread that is.

Though at the end of the day, it's just a rationalization. It's the same thing as Muslim extremism, just different clothing.

Ya well, the only real difference is that a whole lot of you have turned into those who say these speak for all Christians, and the extremist Muslims only speak for the minority.

An interesting rationalization I do not think you even fully realize you have.

All religions are a total waste of time, yes.

But this silliness of defending one and attacking another by so-called ATHEISTS etc....is quite amusing to watch.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
And the excuses keep on coming, when your president says god bless america before they go bomb more muslims, and that the body count is really one sided, man people will say anythin to prove there right...

And what makes you think they are talking to Jesus, or his Father lol.

Trust me, they are NOT referring to the God you think they are.

Ask the Masons, it is a Supreme Being that goes by any name it wishes, all the religions are the same, designed to cause exactly the amount of chaos that they always do.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

this is good to hear.

but, why aren't the young conservatives Christians (who don't believe lbgt should be rounded up and jailed) speaking out when THREE of your presidential candidates attended this rally?

Ask yourself this first, who even reported this so people can see it ???

And then ask again, who controls what gets reported on ??

You could have almost the entirety of Christianity speak out, you think that will make the news ???

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: theantediluvian

What's scary are the people I've met that believe in the "rapture" as described in those "Left Behind" books, and want to actively see it become reality in their lifetime. Donating money, voting for certain people, ect...

You might find it even scarier that pretty much every position of power in this world is sworn to defend or attack based on variations of religions,

The entire reason for being here, is run by things other than what you see, all is controlled by something that commands it , desires it, and will not EVER let go.

What is the most scary about all of this ??? That people have been totally programmed to not be able to see it, or even comprehend ANY of what is going on.

The only scary thing for me, is the knowledge that 99.99% of people will never EVER have any say in what goes on, and it has nothing to do with "human nature"........The Elite of the Elite are completely OWNED by something, and it DEMANDS that religions and every bizarre act occurs on this plane, and just about every other.....

Scary, is not recognizing this and wanting to do something about it.

Do not any of you ever entertain the thought of just HOW these religions and spin-offs ARE so GODLY strong, and cannot and will not ever let go ??

The Masons themselves realize that ALL sources of power money and all systems of control are TOLD what to do , and not by any humans, and even they do not seem to understand that this is the WAY they want it , NOT the way "IT MUST BE".

Huffpost

3 Dead After Gunman Opens Fire Inside Colorado Planned Parenthood

One officer and two civilians were killed, and 9 others were injured, during a lengthy standoff.

- A gunman is in custody after an hours-long standoff with police inside a Colorado Planned Parenthood.
- He has been identified as Robert Lewis Dear.
- One officer and two civilians were killed in the attack.
- Police convinced the gunman to surrender.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Authorities took a gunman into custody Friday afternoon after an hours-long standoff inside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, that left three people dead and nine others injured. One police officer and two civilians were killed, police spokeswoman Lt. Catherine Buckley confirmed. The officer who died was Garrett Swasey, 44, a six-year veteran of the University of Colorado Colorado Springs police department, the school said. Nine others -- five officers and four civilians -- were shot and are in good condition. The Associated Press and other outlets identified the gunman as Robert Lewis Dear, citing law enforcement sources.

"We don't yet know the full circumstances and motives behind this criminal action, and we don't yet know if Planned Parenthood was in fact the target of this attack. We share the concerns of many Americans that extremists are creating a poisonous environment that feeds domestic terrorism in this country. We will never back away from providing care in a safe, supportive environment that millions of people rely on and trust," the statement continued.

Wonder why he picked planned parenthood?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Reminds me of the old question; Which was first, the hen or the egg? Is the behavior of POTUS wannabe's that created the mass accepting of radical thought or was it the masses who demands such mentality? After many years of personal research, it my opinion that a program of mass indoctrination over many years has taken it's toll. I believe public opinion is "manufactured" by specialist, known and unknown, utilizing the scientific methods of Edward Bernays. I also think the public is victimized by a combination of such groups of specialists with a constant means of "programming" the public for their desired effects. Propaganda from different sources, working together, to mold public perceptions and beliefs. The narrative of this argument seems to be a further message from Jerry Falwell and his historic TV announcement HIV, AIDS is God's wrath on the American people who tolerate the gay lifestyle.

One may find such rhetoric offensive especially if one agrees with the research in recent years that HIV and AIDS was/is a creature manufactured in Fort Dietrich for Bio-warfare. To me, it's apparent such "programming" is a method to deliver decisive divisions among the public. Divide and conquer. I also think the mass media is the tool utilized by the elite to develop trends aimed at the population for their own personal benefit. Although such opinions may be viewed as "flawed" and determined to be the ridiculous thinking of a conspiracy theorist, normally i'd agree. However the past recent years of events and trends tend to support such opinions. If i am correct, and i think i am, such tactics are used to not only cause division, but also mirror Biblical prophecies to gain assistance from far right church officials. The fact Jerry Falwell suffered no back-lash from the various religious elements tends to support this opinion.

It's also my opinion, New World Order and all it represents to the elite is aided by the new threat of terrorism. The questionable excuses for military assaults on foreign nations and the expense of funding the great military industrial complex tends to reinforce the need to "spy" on all people. The average citizen finds himself between the forces that divide the population with contrary propaganda but also victimized by the State who uses terrorism to minimize civil rights among the citizens. New World Order championed by Wall St. utilizing their CIA is creating this fascist police state and doing so by the division of citizenry. While Bill Clinton and H.W. Bush play golf together, rabid supporters on both sides of the political spectrum square off with the hostility not seen since the years prior to the Civil War.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Your title is beyond misleading, and what you claim he said isn't even what he said in the quote you provided.

“There’s certainly a providential irony here,” Swanson said of the fact that California rock band Eagles of Death Metal reportedly played “Kiss the Devil” as terrorists began firing AK-47s into the crowd. “They went from singing about the devil to meeting the devil face-to-face.” “When you get a wake-up call like what happened at France’s 9/11 last Friday night at the concert,” he said, “I think we all need to pay attention to what’s happening: This is a message from God. God is shooting a shot across the bow and we better be paying attention to this.”

Where, exactly, in that does he state that anyone was a "devil-worshiper"? He stated that it was ironic that a song about the devil was purported to be playing when the people were killed. That isn't calling anyone a devil worshiper.

The Christian bashing is certainly in full swing lately.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: theantediluvian

Your title is beyond misleading, and what you claim he said isn't even what he said in the quote you provided.

“There’s certainly a providential irony here,” Swanson said of the fact that California rock band Eagles of Death Metal reportedly played “Kiss the Devil” as terrorists began firing AK-47s into the crowd. “They went from singing about the devil to meeting the devil face-to-face.” “When you get a wake-up call like what happened at France’s 9/11 last Friday night at the concert,” he said, “I think we all need to pay attention to what’s happening: This is a message from God. God is shooting a shot across the bow and we better be paying attention to this.”

Where, exactly, in that does he state that anyone was a "devil-worshiper"? He stated that it was ironic that a song about the devil was purported to be playing when the people were killed. That isn't calling anyone a devil worshiper.

The Christian bashing is certainly in full swing lately.

“These ISIS devil-worshippers have pitted themselves against humanist devil-worshippers. I’m not on either side here. I’m not taking the side of the devil-worshippers performing the concert; I’m not on the side of ISIS who are slaughtering the devil-worshippers inside the concert. I’m not on neither side.”

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
If group A rounds people up and executes them, but group B makes their lifestyle illegal and puts them all in prison -- is there much of a difference in the end result?

Your comparison here is broken. Group A is doing what you say, but all group B is doing is saying they disagree. Huge difference. Making comparisons based on things that aren't happening isn't valid.

originally posted by: rupertg

*anti-religious comment removed*

The difference? Easy -

originally posted by: AnonymousMoose
radical christianity isn't shooting people and setting off bombs in public places...they're just a bunch of a-holes

Nah.they just invade countries and ruin lives of millions of people.

www.independent.co.uk...

W: God told me to invade Iraq

Sounds pretty radical to me.

Christianity made Satan a major figure, his role in Judaism was minor until the Persians freed them from Babylon and taght monotheism and dualism. The Most High God El Elyon, the biblical father of Baal,Yahweh,Marduk...,70 in all. Each country had a national god, like a divine monarch. And when nations got conquered, they changed gods if only in public. The Persian teachings motivated the Judeans to declare Yahweh was El Elyon. But they only taught that to the greeks, they kept there sacred traditions to themselves. The Greeks wrote the new testament, and pagan allegory, and just about anything the Greeks had learned about religion, is in there. Hints of greek philosophy in Saul the Pharisees writing, and its also a Babylonian mystery religion. Read the new testament straight through and the wise man will say, why didn't they stone that lying false prophet who dared call himself an apostle. Jesus didn't think so, he asserts strongly that there are exactly 12 apostles and congratulates the Ephesians for rejecting liars who said they were apostles and are not. Saul wimpers about them rejecting him at the end of Ephesians. Then Jesus compares him to Balaam, no compliment, and never uses his name. His last message to mankind and Saul is only mentioned as a liar and false prophet. If Jesus made this guy an apostle, violating the sacred number 12, he would have mentioned it. Pauline Christianit has made ignorance a virtue and creates the belief that heaven is exclusive to Christians. They will tell you if it's ask them the tpugh question that you are going to hell and of the devil. Even other Christian churches think other Christian churches are going to hell. And they try way to hard to appear righteous. Even the tolerable ones will ignore logic if it means they were wrong. One mistake and the whole bible is wrong because they have weak faith. I just say ok, glad I found out, whats next. And fanatics are the ones who barely ever read thebible. TThey talk like they know everything. I argued with a pastor for a long time because he didn't know Jehovah was Yahweh in English. He said God wouldn't give me an incorrect bible, Jehovah is not Yahweh. I had fun but it was sad someone that dumb would call himself a pastor. But it's an attractive religion for people who want to be the chosen ones of God.

Dude, I'm gay, and you talk about gay sex more then I do (almost never). Aren't you sick of that closet?