Is Saying "Only" Radical Islam Is The Problem, A Conspiracy Born Out Of PC ?

Political correctness as to not demonize anothers faith right, I get that.
Don't paint everybody with the same brush, right ?
I kept telling myself this is just small minority doing this, and the ones driven to violence are a tiny group of radicals, BUT they have a cheerleading base that is not a minority by any means, it is in fact a majority as witnessed from the reaction in those three football matchs during the minute of silence.

After watching this video the case is made that the real moderates in Islam are actually a small minority, statistics after statistics shows this to be true. The town meeting where all the men put up their hands up when asked those questions is an indictment against moderation, as those guys are not moderates by there ideological agreement with Sharia law



Admitting reality is not hate nor is it easy, I myself have come to terms with this now.
But by any standard stoning an adulterer (mostly women) to death IS radical, there is nothing moderate about that.
So many Muslims support this making them radicals in an idealogical sense, how far is the jump from that to a Jihad killing people in their minds, I don't know, I guess it would be different for every person, and perhaps some would never go there I am sure, but many just might.
I feel sorry for these people trapped in 7th century ideology.
We should be very tolerant of other peoples belief structures, until they violate the basic rights of our follow citizens.
I don't know what the solution is, I just know it's wrong.
And I am so tired of the defense coming from western liberalism of these people born of total political correctness and not the facts.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

can you post those videos of muslim reactions at moments of silence?

a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

It's embedded in that video.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Political correctness as to not demonize anothers faith right, I get that.

Nothing wrong with your view but theres also another view. Political correctness is a tool for curbing free speech. It's training people up to accept that topics with political overtones are out of bounds for the little people to discuss.

cheers

I have often said that it is the liberal progressives that will be the first targets of Islamic extremists. Especially their victim groups. Hitler got some of his ideas from Islam. You can imagine their horror when the so called right wing joins with Islam out of survival and exterminates them all. Playing with fire and by the time they realize it, it will be too late. That is the one part of the liberal progressive mindset I don't understand.

never mind ignore this its needs a thread of its own

The thing with Islam is either you believe muhammed and the quran are infallible and perfect or you are an apostate.

Nothing can be added or subtracted from the perfect quran. Everything is to believed literally as written. There is no allowance for interpretation.

Either you beleve everything written by the psychotic pedophile slave owning mass murderer who heard voices in his head who claimed he was in direct contact with God through an angel or you are not a true muslim.

Even in Quran (written by Mohammad) it states clearly that their Allah is Satan! written in the Bible.

Islam Exposed Biggest Satanic Cult On Earth



And yes I do believe even our own governments are deceiving us in regards to Islam.

There is no such thing as moderate who mostly support the so called radical, your either a Muslim or not who want the whole world under Islamic law.

Is Saying "Only" Radical Islam Is The Problem, A Conspiracy Born Out Of PC ?

Maybe to some degree.
I think the problem here is that people do not know what the term "Radical Islam" actually means.
The radical Islamist is not going to destroy people and be oppressing - because the tenants of Islam is to destroy and oppress. You must go against your religion and not destroy and oppress, thereby making you a radical. And this is what causes a huge problem for the world.

The only way the world will ever stop this "holier than thou" religion from killing and oppressing is to come to grips with understanding that an entire religion may need to be wiped out and editing of the quaran.

And that is what PC says would say to be the most evil thing to do, while not realizing it is a religion of hate and violence and those "good muslims" who are widows and little orphans aren't exactly being true to their religion.

I say wipe them out to the point where the quaran can be edited to teach peace and unoppressive mannerisms, and let people who want to be muslim practice their newly sanctioned belief system. Many many people will have a problem with my words here, but please remember.... it is a religion of hate and violence. If you have a problem with this then you should come up with a more solid plan to defeat them. But also remember the bible has been edited, so don't feel like editing a religious belief system has never been done before. Maybe this time the world could be better for editing a religion.

I remember when I was young and the words "Politically Correct" popped up one day and it all sounded so grown up and smart to say something "politically correct". But as the years wore on I saw a change in the definition of PC.. I saw it turn into something someone has to say as to not offend someone else's feelings.

PC was a term for common sense. It was born out of stop being and ignorant a-hole, if your whole message is to insult another race/religion maybe shut it.

Now though people are taking it too far and using it to stop free speech.

I still believe in the original message not the one being used by some of my fellow Liberals.

If you overuse something, it begins to lose it's original intent.

Saying all Muslims are exactly like the radicals is ignorant and where PC should be used because unless you have read the Quran from front to back..you really have no idea what you are talking about. Taking the bits and pieces used by some is not actual facts, because if you are willing you can look into other books and find vile and disgusting "phrases" to make something look worse than it actually is.

originally posted by: spirit_horse
1. I have often said that it is the liberal progressives that will be the first targets of Islamic extremists.

2. Especially their victim groups. Hitler got some of his ideas from Islam.

3. You can imagine their horror when the so called right wing joins with Islam out of survival and exterminates them all.

4. Playing with fire and by the time they realize it, it will be too late. That is the one part of the liberal progressive mindset I don't understand.

Would it be politically incorrect of me to say that this is by far the most ignorant, vapid, and vile post on ATS so far today?

1. Wishful thinking?

2. Hitler was a Muslim? LOL

3. Right wing joins Islam. That's rich. Fulfillment of wish (see number 1)?

4. You don't need to understand...just exterminate, Dalek!

GOP's Anti-Muslim Sentiment Is A Long Way From The Tone Of George W. Bush In 2001

Kind of scary when Bush is the rational one of the gang.

would I be correct in saying that all christians are dominist christians who believe that it's their God given duty to take the reigns of the four pillars of power and install their version of God's kingdom on earth?

didn't think so, even though most of them will be voting for the one who is proclaiming their christianity the loudest through the election cycle.

my bet is that there are moderate muslims. even in this country, when it comes to radical movements, it's usually mostly the younger generations doing the moving, at the dismay of the older generations. ya, they probably have some older ones in there playing ringleaders (or maybe misleading them) but their ranks are usually filled with the younger generations.

are you aware that one of the primary avenues that the radicals use in some countries to recruit is through their charity? that's how al quada managed to set up shop in afghanistan and sudan, ect. and well the islamic religion isn't that far different then the christian religion in this area...their first move generally tends to be one of charity. makes one wonder why on earth the far right in this country is so against anything that would alleviate some of the desperation in this country doesn't it, wanting to replace the gov't benefits with charity while knocking down any idea that the workers should be getting paid a wage that they can live on... while so gun ho usually when it comes to dropping more bombs on countries.

nope, I don't think is as black and white as saying all muslims are radical terrorists who want to blow up the world and all christians are perfect little angels wanting to spread peace and joy around the world. What I am seeing is that some christians are more like second counsins, maybe even brothers to the radicals of islam, sharing about the same tactics and beliefs in the important areas. they want the desperate people to have to rely on their charity so that they can force their hearts and minds to accept their "truths". they want to gain enough control over the power structures so they can create their version of God's kingdom on the planet. while most of the christians are just content going to their church, practicing their religion in peace and love.

maybe the head of both the christian dominists and the muslim radicals is the same power?

a reply to: dawnstar

Sorta like all three major world religions heavily pulled Hitler's strings so we should condemn them all? Zionists win again.

Religion is a symptom of a deeper problem ... the Human condition

Take away the labels and all you have is Human beings murdering their own species whilst justifying it as some gods will

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I do not believe that political correctness is the reason we ought to remain aware that there is a difference between a terrorist radical, and an every day human being operating their right to hold a faith. The first is an enemy of freedom, the second is a person who is enjoying freedom. They are as different as night and day, as mutually exclusive as summer and winter. They are the opposite of one another, and cannot be reasonably associated together, save for in the loosest possible manner.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
The thing with Islam is either you believe muhammed and the quran are infallible and perfect or you are an apostate.

Nothing can be added or subtracted from the perfect quran. Everything is to believed literally as written. There is no allowance for interpretation.

Either you beleve everything written by the psychotic pedophile slave owning mass murderer who heard voices in his head who claimed he was in direct contact with God through an angel or you are not a true muslim.

So much ignorance in this thread, and so much, I am sorry to say, BS in this post of yours.

First: You say "The thing with Islam is either you believe muhammed and the quran are infallible and perfect or you are an apostate."

Only GOD is infallible! Muhammad was merely a man, a fact stressed several times in the Qur'an (which you have NOT read), and God even ADMONISHES Muhammad in some instances.
Not believing in the Qur'an does not make you an "apostate" - it just makes you an unbeliever.

But the Qur'an stresses itself that you have a free will, you can choose to believe or not believe - it was not Muhammads duty nor it is ours (today's muslims) to force anyone into believing.


Further you say "Everything is to believed literally as written. There is no allowance for interpretation."

Where did you get this interpretation that interpretation is not allowed? Out of your nether hole?

If everything has to be taken literally in the Qur'an then how do you explain the saying of God that He created Adam with His "own two hands" when God stresses many times that He is like nothing we could compare Him with?

See? You should have actually read the Qur'an before making up stuff about it.

And your saying "psychotic pedophile slave owning mass murderer who heard voices in his head who claimed he was in direct contact with God" --- who are you describing here? Moses? Abraham? Jesus?

According to your Bible these attributes apply to almost all the prophets of God ... but NOT according to Qur'an - which CLEARS their name and describes them all, including Muhammad, as THE BEST OF CREATION - the most noble, merciful, truthful people to ever walk the earth.

The truth is that islam is a problem religion.
A hell of a lot of people are tangled up with it because it is a good meme [not in the sense of LOLZ but as in it's original sense, where a meme is a virus-like spreading of an idea, that self polices if you want out, hence creating a perfect trap - like all religions really].

Good people and bad people are tangled up in this but not only that, they have no way out. Being a muslim isn't like liking a certain band or trend. It means that you are only a proper muslim if you adhere to the preachings.
The koran makes it ABSOLUTELY clear what is.

I can't actually quote anything, not for lack of it but because depending on where you get the quotes, they are chosen to show whatever light the sites want you to see muslims.
For example on muslim.org, you can only find quotes that are lovely and nice. Such as loving your wife and everyone in the world.
If you go to hate sites, all you find is the other ones from the koran. Both are present and handpicked for opinion. Just like the bible. So there is both in there to be found and I guess it depends in each imam to teach what he wants to be true.

However the basics are that non believers are not as good as believers and that islam should rule the world.

Every believer of every religion wants others to join and 'see the light' and yes there have been crusades by christians as well but lets be clear that christians have 'grown up' and joined civilisation [to an extend]. Therefore bringing up how bad others were in the past, is not a valid argument.
islam is self perpetuating mostly because of the cultures in which it started. Violence and oppression in the middle eastern world are still very much a part of life; and when you mix that and religion, the outcome is not a good one.
See for example how islam is less of a problem in Indonesia for example.
Cultural rather than 'racist'. But it is still a fact.

To every bad propaganda against muslims on here there are posts completely denying that "although most muslims are normal people, there are a LOT who take islam far too seriously. Such is human nature.
Yet instead of facing up to the truth that even in modern Britain, there are enclaves of families living by almost medieval standards.
Here is an insightful article:
www.cracked.com...

Please read it, even though it is from 'Cracked', it is about a girl coming from such a family. The end is particularly harrowing.
This is not a one off, I knew a muslim guy who was in trouble with his family and at some point I never heard from him again.
I also worked with an Indian girl who had a muslim boyfriend and what they went through would make a seperate article.
I also worked with a muslim girl who was completely ignorant of British pop culture or politics, even though she was born here.
Etc, etc, etc

The point I am making is that these cases are not 'one offs' but 'too many offs'. Yet every tie a muslim is doing anything bad the excusers come out of the woodworks and try [hard] to explain it away, instead of acknowledging that it is not uncommon.

And because this is a fact, it must be addressed instead of being explained away. The reason is simple, humans are herd animals and listen to those around them. If those around them get 'in too deep', they are coming from a point of view that the others are familiar with, compared to the 'outsiders' view.

So because islam wants to spread > followers will spread it, some the good way, others the bad way. Problem is that we don't want islam in Europe. I don't want any religion but I think we all agree that being surrounded by christians is less problematic because I know that their message nowadays is that of love and peace [the bad ones would be anti gay and all that]. Still they shout and protest but they have yet to cut someone's throat.

Muslims from the depth of islam are now invited without adequate checks.
We know the Daesh exist.
We know 'lone wolves...erm I mean lone cowards are out there abd the DO kill people.
They do this in the name of islam [remember that those are the ones that pick the 'bad' points in the koran]

Therefore we MUST be vigilant, MUST be able to discuss the situation, MUST point out the pro and cons and come to a decision which keeps natives or adopted natives [those that actually value their new home] safe, otherwise we just bring the problems the immigrants are fleeing from to our own doorstep.

So yes, it is important to profile people from certain cultures more than others. It's not racist, it's unavoidable and necessary. To say it is not right and only see the good side reminds me of the fate that awaited the chap in "The Holy grail" [Monty Python] who helps carrying the cross of one of those about to be nailed up, because he's so 'ruddy, ruddy nice'. He gets nailed up instead.
0:54 seconds:



We are so 'ruddy, ruddy nice' here in Europe, always wanting to see the best in people, the same will happen to us.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Political correctness as to not demonize anothers faith right, I get that.
Don't paint everybody with the same brush, right ?
I kept telling myself this is just small minority doing this, and the ones driven to violence are a tiny group of radicals, BUT they have a cheerleading base that is not a minority by any means, it is in fact a majority as witnessed from the reaction in those three football matchs during the minute of silence.

So the majority of ALL Muslims were present at these football matches? Wow, how did they fit 1.6 billion people into those stadiums?

After watching this video the case is made that the real moderates in Islam are actually a small minority, statistics after statistics shows this to be true. The town meeting where all the men put up their hands up when asked those questions is an indictment against moderation, as those guys are not moderates by there ideological agreement with Sharia law

Which statistics are these? Why didn't you link to them so we can see if they actually say that and you are telling the truth?

Admitting reality is not hate nor is it easy, I myself have come to terms with this now.
But by any standard stoning an adulterer (mostly women) to death IS radical, there is nothing moderate about that.
So many Muslims support this making them radicals in an idealogical sense, how far is the jump from that to a Jihad killing people in their minds, I don't know, I guess it would be different for every person, and perhaps some would never go there I am sure, but many just might.

How many Muslims have you seen stone an adulter to death? I know quite a few and I can't think of one who has done that.

I feel sorry for these people trapped in 7th century ideology.

I mostly feel sorry that Muslims have to deal with rhetoric like yours.

We should be very tolerant of other peoples belief structures, until they violate the basic rights of our follow citizens.
I don't know what the solution is, I just know it's wrong.

Yet have no proof that most Muslims are like this. Just anecdotes and appeal to emotion arguments.

And I am so tired of the defense coming from western liberalism of these people born of total political correctness and not the facts.

Yea god forbid someone tries to inject a dose of reality into your intolerance.

Is Saying "Only" Radical Islam Is The Problem, A Conspiracy Born Out Of PC ?

No. It was born out of a need to counteract poorly researched forum threads and news articles such as this one.