Ex-Member of Raelian Cult. Exposing the Fraud of Claude Vorilhon (RAEL)

originally posted by: TrustInTruth
Anyone with a rational mind who is considering joining this cult should first read the book Rael's Secret: The Suppressed History of the Raelian Movement. It is the most accurate book that I am aware of on the subject.
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Hi, and thanks for posting - S&F.
When I first moved to Chicago in 1994, the interwebs weren't as advanced as today. I found out about "The Church of the Subgenius" via "Night Flight" and college kids handing out photocopied propaganda on campus my band was playing. I found it pretty funny.

One day we found flyers taped to poles all over the city - not for a band's show, but for a meeting to be held on a downtown college campus - more like a presentation, followed by a Q & A.

The presenters all had short hair, and wore tan pants and button-up shirts - buttoned all the way up.
Turns out, it was Heaven's Gate.

No, their "leaders" weren't there - but the four of us - two couples - did take them up on an offer to come back the next day, for a more in-depth chat about their whole deal. We only finally managed to leave by convincing them that we would "get our affairs in order," then be in touch. Obviously, since I'm sitting here writing this, we did NOT follow through with that lie. They just didn't want to stop talking, and we were ready for a dinner and a beer. It was an interesting and enlightening look into their lives though, and I'm glad we went. They even gave us a VHS tape, stolen later in a box of books - believe me when I tell you I was pissed about that the day it went down. I would have sold a copy of that to the news station for a pretty penny! Not to make light or "profit" off the tragedy, but it was a valuable and rare piece of insight to the group. It's creepy to think those people we talked to are all dead...

Anywho, years later now, and I've got more of what I would call a "realist" perspective on UFOs, cults, and "secret" societies, an last year I came across "The Aetherius Society."
The Aetherius Society

They've been around since the 1950's, and maintain a basically Theosophical spirituality, but just a bit too much of a tilt to the crazy side, in my opinion; they hold mass healing events, using positive energy and thoughts as a group to incite cultural change for good - cool - but do so by actually "dumping" that energy into "batteries" - uh, ok. They call the founder of the group, George King, their "Master" - he wasn't the most believable author I've ever read, and channeled his messages, but he never professed to be a "Master" himself, just the channel for the teachings...I paid $15 for a year as a "friend" of the society - not a member - basically a magazine subscription, and the magazines are interesting and have cool pics. They call July 8th their "Holy Day" - hey, that's my birthday! - but I soon deduced that that's because, Roswell. lolz...

I don't think they're ready to drink the kool-aid, nor ever will be, but again just a bit to serious about their "Master" and rituals for most to not consider them a "crazy UFO cult." I think they're just over-enthusiastic Theosophists who never heard of Theosophy or something, but your statement that "Rael" just repeats other info made me think of them.

As much as I'd love to read the PDF of the book you linked, it's littered with extra "r" characters all over it - is this some kind of "preview" thing? It's not in the contents page, so it's not a flaw, the extra "r"s are intentional. I'll check around and on Scribd for a "clean" copy, but it strikes me as an interesting coincidence that an expose' on Rael would be obstructed by a bunch of extra "r"s!

ETA - I meant to ask, anything in particular you can tell us? Regarding the group itself, your experiences, and reasons and method of exit? In 25 years, I'm sure you have more to tell us about it than a link to a book written by (I'm assuming) someone else? Thanks!

edit on 23-11-2015 by KAOStheory because: ETA

originally posted by: TrustInTruth
a reply to: olaru12

There are some people who join the cult because of the liberal views on sex. The thing that really makes it a sex cult is the fact that the leader uses his influence to have sex with young girls. (golden angels)

Sounds like the rajneeshees here in West Aus back in the day.

Rooting for peace, and all.. orange people. -- they called themselves that, they were not orange.

I knew of one kid who was a mate of a mate. said it was all saucy sexy times. free love, and all.

and some extreme things I cant remember.. I don't fall for cults.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
So what are the lies they tell and why are they labeled a cult? Looking through the wiki it seems they hold beliefs from many different religions and non religions. How many do you know of? Can you list some of the fraud?

Ahh all religions are cults.

Did you miss the memo?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: TrustInTruth


"He who keeps the keys to heaven controls the world."

He who advises the worth of a thing, that the world relies on, controls the world.

Bugger all to do with keeping an eye on the sky.

a reply to: laminatedsoul

This may be a "fishing" thread. The OP just joined today and did no exposing or sharing of his/her own experience, only posted an unreadable upload of a pdf...not saying that's the case, but they are offline and we probably won't hear back with any actual personal stories, if any, from the OP til tomorrow.

I've known about the Rael cult since way back. I've read and studied both sides. What's weird is the OP's lack of mention of his "exit strategy," any personal experience whatsoever, the large amount of 404's to links about the cult that used to be there, and recent backlash against them. Could be things are changing in a big way for this big group. "I know that high-ranking members are on here, whether they post or not" is quite a statement...

Cutting people off from their friends and families = "cult." Yes, "all religions" are cult-ish - but most people are born into the Abrahamic faiths they follow blindly or not, and a cult tells you, "Oh, you doubt your faith? Come with us - but no looking back." Buddhism doesn't do this, nor do any other religions.

A true religion - even Abrahamic - doesn't do that. They want you to talk about it with friends and family, either to converse intelligently, or preach and attempt conversion, or just shut up and meditate. They don't say "Come with us far away and your mom isn't your mom anymore, delete her number." That's a cult. Some people just can't see red flags lol.

a reply to: KAOStheory

Someone mentioned that if you have _javascript disabled, the PDF won't load correctly. If you download it, it should be readable.

a reply to: KAOStheory

Fishing for recruits? LOL! You wouldn't say that if you read even part of what I read in that PDF.

There is a torrent file to it for anyone who is interested:
archive.org...

What is most important to me is that people are aware that the Raelian Movement is a fraud.

I am happy to share all the information I have on the cult, but I will not be divulging my personal experiences within the cult, because Rael systematically sues anyone who speaks out against him. I risk exposing my identity if I share personal details. (which is probably why so few have tried). Seriously, the guru should be tried for fraud and also be hit with a class-action law suit for the millions he has taken from members under false pretenses.

a reply to: TrustInTruth

Firstly, thanks yes no _javascript, will download, that's why I asked - seemed like a "thing."
Second, NO, that's not what I meant!
But I made it pretty clear that the pdf was completely unreadable so no, obviously, I did not.

I wasn't implying a recruiting thing, just seemed a bit fishy that you just joined, shared nothing personal, then logged off rather quickly - it's suspect here, that's all, please understand, shady people do that kind of thing here A LOT. Not saying you are - just made me go "hmmm..." after trying to click some links.

Glad you're still here and understand about sharing personal stuff, but you said "I've been quiet, but now...."
But then you left us hangin. I'm not asking you to expose yourself, but you could maybe expose him and the group, even somewhat, as your headline said you were doing.

I'll grab that pdf tho and check it out, but he said/she said doesn't fly far in this windy environment, FYI.

ETA: It's clear to most of us here it's a BS cult. Most of us who ever looked up the word "cult" or "UFO" have known about this for about 20 years. So, just a smidge of something actual is generally expected when you make a thread headline declaring to "expose" the group. Saying, "Illuminati Exposed!" then posting a Madonna video doesn't really fly, if you get the idea lol. It happens, it's just not going to inspire any kind of relevant feedback, discussion, enlightenment, or resolve.

a reply to: KAOStheory

I said "20 years."
Hard to believe it's 2015, almost 2016.
I've known about the Raelians since the 1970's. I'm old lol.

Did you read the rest of my posts about H.G. and the A.S.?
Nothing to compare, comment on?
Nothing? Did I waste my time here?

originally posted by: TrustInTruth
I was in the raelian cult for over 25 years. I have been silent for many years but the time has come to expose the Raelian fraud as it appears its leader

It took you 25 years to realize that? You should have visited ATS 10 years ago. Real and his cult was already hammered down and exposed for what it is long ago.

a reply to: KAOStheory

Thank you for explaining how it works here. I read your post about HG etc. Interesting!

For a Raelian to leave the group there are many dots that first must be connected and also the psychological hurdle of living a lie and leaving the group is great. It is the sum of the inconsistencies which will generally trigger their exit. Some unrelated negative experiences with other members can also help make the shift easier.

I will list some of the inconsistencies but they might look insignificant or obvious to others.

1) There was a popular author in the late 60s called Jean Sendy. He wrote many books using the bible as a reference for ET contact with humans. It so happens that he attended a science fiction expo in Vorilhon's home town just weeks before Vorilhon claims to be contacted by an ET. Whole paragraphs from his books were plagiarized by Vorilhon when he published his book months later.

2) Vorilhon (Rael) claims that the ET told him not to bring any metallic object on the UFO craft. (a justification for not bringing a camera some suspect). His glasses, his wedding ring, pant zipper - all contain metal, he enters anyway.

3) The "crop circle" embassy. (see elohimembassy.org) Rael claims it appeared AFTER the first architect plans were drawn up of his requested embassy (as a kind of 'confirmation from above'). But the crop-circle appeared months before the drawings were made. And the architect who made the drawings is on record saying that he took his inspiration from the crop circle. Rael's book 'intelligent design' says the crop-circle appeared after the plans.

4) Rael had a break down in 1984 and confessed to a high-ranking person in the movement that he never had an encounter. This person left many months after. In 2009 he wrote a book about it months before he knew he would die, and Rael consequently character assassinated him. Most Raelians bought the lie, but some french members did not, read the book and left.

5) Prior to publishing his first book, Vorilhon gave some interviews. There is a french book that exists by a respected author of the time called Rene Pacaut. The 'encounter story' of Vorilhon that is written in that book is not the same as the one written in Vorilhon's own book (the story he repeats like a parrot for years now - you can see a video of it on his website rael.org) Even the location of the encounter is different. Some Raelians might claim this was an error of Rene Pacaut, but the same incorrect location was also quoted in other newspaper interviews Vorilhon gave at that time.

That's a small taste but I hope its enough to get curious raelians thinking by themselves and reading that ebook. (which is the most complete source I have seen in 25+ years)

merci

a reply to: Telos

originally posted by: TrustInTruth
a reply to: blupblup

It took 25 years of connecting the dots to finally realize that "Rael" was not who he said he was. Thankfully with the internet new information is easier to find, but still much is hidden about the guru - such as the many offshore bank accounts he has and just how much of others information he has stolen and used. No one is held against their will but there is the ridicule of "friends" when one leaves. The need to belong to the 'group' is strong among members.

That's the part I don't get though - the 25 years.
What did you think he was? What dots needed connecting?
What exactly set alarm bells ringing?

originally posted by: TrustInTruth
It feels crazy/ridiculous to even write this stuff now - ashamed to ever been blind enough to believe it.

No reason to be ashamed. We all have things in our past that we're not proud of, and we all make mistakes.

Cults are nothing to scoff at, and a lot (if not most) of the people who get lured into them never get out. You did, and on top of it, you're helping to inform others. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

a reply to: TrustInTruth
Again, sorry if i sound rude, but honestly and realistically you haven't shared anything that can't be found on the Realian wikipedia page, as pointed out previously, by me an another, most people here know already.

One would be pounded by challengers if one were to post "25 Year Illuminati Member Exposes All!"
Then actually provided zero personal experience, evidence, or "exposure," only a link to a book by - maybe - someone else. If it's yours, great, fess up, it would lend credibility to you OP, which so far, has none.

Sorry but I fail to see any difference as of yet. You would obviously not be a recruiter, but a detractor - not necessarily a bad thing, but if so wasting your time here preaching to the converted, and those who know what preachers are about, to boot.

Years ago, a friend handed me the Rael book, saying it was interesting.

It had an improbable tale of a French race-car driver going to a volcano and meeting ET's... who said something to him about "Dinosaurs and Brontosaurs" as if they were two different things... and as far as our language is concerned, "Brontosaurs" (called something else now) were a type of dinosaur, not another kind of beast, and not something enlightened beings were likely to screw up, so I wrote it off as some ne'r-do-well French guy lying through his teeth to make an easy source of income and sex, and more power to him... if folks were that ignorant, they deserved what they got.

The years have mellowed my view of people sucked into cults (and I find it funny that members of a more wide-spread, respected cult would shove Jesus at you), but not the a-hole who started it.. .shame on him and the lives he's co-opted.

I know the world has unexplained strangeness and that spiritual critters and ET's likely exist in reality, it's just that when other folks have you "join" their particular guesses at the hidden reality, or b.s. constructs designed to trap people into supporting them, you should dash in the opposite direction.

Anyway, glad you woke up... now if the rest of humanity realized the truth is written in their hearts and won't be revealed by some book or external person's guesses, then we'd be better off. It's fine to believe in something... in fact, we humans need it to remain healthy, but one should likely just believe in yourself and loved ones (and god is thus okay to give a nod to, too, if you need it!) ... but don't take my word for it, I'm just some idiot on the internet.

I have a question. Why does this religious group have to be considered or called a cult? Its the same as any other religion. So does that mean all religions are considered cults? This religious group is just like any other .

a reply to: apoc36

The defining line between religion and cult is the sequestering of the target "convert" away from conflicting views (like friends and family)... most of the mainstream religions welcome some level of discourse over its validity... cults generally don't allow it, or have weaselly, brain-washing techniques to combat little things like logic and fact checking.

However, the defining line is pretty blurry and a lot has to do with the veneer of respectability and how many people follow a belief system.

a reply to: apoc36

From www.csj.org...

Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused. The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may be helpful in assessing a particular group or relationship.

Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a “cult scale” or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.
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1. The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
   
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2. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
   
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3. Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
   
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4. The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
   
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5. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
   
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6. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
   
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7. The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
   
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8. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
   
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9. The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
   
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10. Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
    
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11. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
    
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12. The group is preoccupied with making money.
    
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13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
    
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14. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
    
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15. The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
    

So, I understand the Raelian movement, which possesses many similar elements to countless other such movements. I also admire your willingness to come forth as a knowledgeable former participant. Being that this is about truth and honesty, I would like to know who you are in terms of what led you to join. What was it in your background and personality that allowed you to be manipulated by this group's ideologue, Rael?