The sex crimes witch hunts

news.yahoo.com... So many times there are news post about some sex crime some person may I repeat May have committed.
What happens next is the people who reply to the post start saying how the person who may or may not have
committed the crime should be repeatedly raped in jail or how they would just love to ether torture or see them
tortured to death .
Many people now see every man as a potential rapist if we haven't done it we probably will .
we are assumed to be guilty even when all the evidence says we are not.
The the WORST thing is now woman use this to commit crimes just as devastating to a man as a accutal rape would
have been to them . And even when proven the woman Lied about a rape she rarely even gets a charge of filing false
report . and yet the man can be jailed for years decades even . And again the woman who lie about rape don't even get a smak on the wrist .
What really mystifies me is how fast men are so willing to jump on the lets torture and rape the rapist band wagon .
As if torturing and raping a rapist doesn't make the person doing this a rapist them self's .Or that torture isn't just as evil a crime as rape.
And as if every man must be guilty .
sex crimes have become modern witch hunts all some woman has to do is yell rape and every one is ready to burn the person at the stake . Forget 99 out of 100 men would never do such a thing .forget that they may not have done it all that matters is now you get to say how much you would love to see them tortured and raped in prison -
Just better pray you are never accused of the crime . Because it can happen TO YOU and saying If i have done nothing wrong i dont need to worry wont help.
So tell me who is going to give this man his life back and o yes lets not forget EVEN though he didn't do it EVEN though he is now relised after 16 years his name will still be ON THE SEX CRIMES data base.
It could be you.
Ps This is personal to me . If not for a woman being such a bad lier It would have been me as well . Bet some one who reads that last line thinks i did do something and should be tortured and killed . And you know what else i know other men who have been falsely accused as well and the xwife or girl friend who lied every one feels sorry for her . Maybe just maybe we should assume incant until PROVEN guilty and even then have alest enough doubt to not torture or rape the rapist who may not be one.
Ps the woman proven a LIER should be given the SAME sentience the man would have gotten if he had committed the crime .
after all he wont get his life back if shes proven a lier 10 years later will he .

What really mystifies me is how fast men are so willing to jump on the lets torture and rape the rapist band wagon .

People are basic, especially in large numbers. it's that primal ape violent attitude that we keep bottled up sticking it's head out because of mass approval.
Whenever i see those types of comments i try to just stay out of it. Makes me embarrassed to be human.

and yes i do agree men are being seen as guilty until proven innocent especially in these cases.
Like it or not, and for reasons i can only guess, men are seen by default as predators.
thankfully where i live we don't have this battle of the sexes thing going on, we get along just fine, but i can imagine how bad it must be to have to constantly feel guilty of having a penis.

Also, i believe it's "Liar"

a reply to: Midnightstar1365

As a victim myself, I find it disgusting that any woman would falsify such a horrible thing.

It ruins lives and reputations as well as making it harder for real victims to seek and get justice.

A woman caught lying about such a horrifying experience should 100% be charged.

As for actual rapists....I have no sympathy whatsoever. NONE!

a reply to: Midnightstar1365

Rape is a terrible crime that should be punished to the full extent if proven.

False accusations are equally disgusting as a person can lose everything just from being accused. Their job, family, friends, and reputation. Even if it is proven to be false, the effects of the accusation linger for years.

And false accusations are not uncommon. There are many reasons they are made; regret, revenge, attention, sympathy, monetary, etc.

The only retribution a victim of a false accusation has is civil court as there isn't much a criminal court will do, if anything.

What's frustrating about rape cases is there are no statistics on what percentage are false accusations(estimations ranger from 2-41%). Equally frustrating is that rape is hard to prove.

False accusers should be punished in criminal court and serve time depending on the damage they did to the accused. They hurt not just the person who was falsely accused, but also the victims who actually have been raped.

Ghost

a reply to: ghostrager

I agree that they should have some sort of criminal charge.

As far as a percentage of false claims, I have no idea but, they do exist for sure though.

What I do know is that there are a whole lot of people who won't even report a real rape. For many reasons but, some because they are afraid no one will believe them and/or they feel somehow responsible.

a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

Exactly, there are many victims of rape that won't report it. Be it their afraid, don't want the rapist to get in trouble (many tend to be someone they know), or don't want to be shamed.

It's impossible to have a fix all solution because there are so many angles.

I think educating victims that they NEED to take immediate action in going to enforcement/doctor is the primary goal. If they wait, evidence is lost and the case will most likely be dismissed as it's one's word against anothers.

Increasing punishment for false accusers is another for reasons previously stated.

Both of those will help tremendously in properly prosecuting perpetrators.

Also, rape isn't a gender issue and shouldn't be looked at as such. Victims range widely in race, gender and age.

Justice is has not merely come unmoored, it's a ghost ship.

The cause of this is that the word of women is more valued by those behind the gavel. After all, we are such pure innocent creatures.

This isn't a man's world any more. We're no better off for it.

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children."

If you don't know the quote or the individual who said it, google is right there. ->

I've seen this happen a few years back in my own town.

A man was doing some shopping at a grocery store and there was a little girl sitting on the floor crying. Having 3 daughters of his own, he went to help her up and then asked where her mommy was. The moment after he asked her that the little girls mother screamed at the top of her lungs for help that a pedophile was trying to kidnap her child.

Police were called and he was arrested. This mother then goes on a website called topix and warns people that he tried to kidnap and molest her daughter before he was cleared, but by then it was too late. His life in this town was over.

Other people in that thread she created about him posted his home address. The first thing that happened was they went to his home and slashed his tires then posted what they did in that thread, getting nothing but appraisal from all other posters.

Another poster paintballed his house busting out windows. It only got worse and worse up until he moved his family out of town. I don't think the guy even knew about that website to defend himself.

Just one example...

I know a man this happened to.....and the Innocence Project got involved and got him freed.
The years in prison indeed hardened him, changed him forever...ruined his life.

But it wasn't the woman who filed the false charges....her assailant wore a mask.
He was the patsy....he did know the woman.

He was framed by the cops....evidence was doctored, I think the prosecutor was also involved in the coverup.
The real guilty party was later found.

There is more than one way to falsely accuse, convict and imprison.

a reply to: Midnightstar1365

You are right OP. If proven that woman did lie and was not actually raped, I would say minimum 20 years is a fair deal here.

But, meanwhile, accept that you are living in a #ed up world and in this modern age of technology its not hard to turn mic on your phone and enjoy her pussy with a clear mind.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Gawd! That is horrible.

Did the cop ever get charged?

I've known several guys to be falsely accused of rape. They spent nights and in some cases weeks in jail. Fortunately, the charges were dropped before it got too far. However, it has always bothered me that women essentially get a free pass for making false accusations.

a reply to: MagesticEsoteric
The statute of limitations ran out on the case, but the guy was supposed to be charged for other sex crimes.

The innocent man was in prison for NINE years.

ETA
I also corrected part of my above post about the actual rapist.....it wasn't a cop who did the rape....but the police department who didn't do their job....and the city involved paid handsomely.

In the usa a woman is sexually assaulted every 107 seconds, and people think we are civilized.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

9 years is a big stretch even if someone is guilty. 9 years for something you didn't do must have felt like 90.

Poor guy. My brother did about 10 years for mainly drug stuff but, it changed him.

Even to this day, he will still guard his food when he eats, he always sits or stands with his back to the wall...little things like that.

Little subtle things that only someone who knew him before would notice.

He's been out of prison for about 6 years now and he's still like that.

I imagine it's likely the same for the poor guy wrongly accused.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

The world is uncivilized. We have countries like India where gangs of rapists roam the streets. The Middle East often produces cases in which a woman is raped and the courts order her put to death because reasons. Latin America is rife with sex slavery. Etc. Etc. Etc.

There are two fixes which could be performed to the American justice system that would greatly reduce the number of false accusations while not devolving our society further...
1. No more direct financial restitution paid to victims unless restitution comes directly from the criminal case judge. Change the law to a degree that shifts any civil penalty away from going to the victim and instead pays it out entirely to the various victim advocacy non-profits. *Most* people will not be willing to risk everything by lying when their only possible reward is seeing another broke and destitute. These false claims, especially when directed against someone with money, are usually with an eye towards the future civil case and a big payday.
2. When it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a person has filed a completely false claim (I'm talking saying they were raped when they were not raped, but not applying this in cases where a rape occurred and the only doubt is who did it.) the claimant should face the same prison time and penalties as they were lying to seek against another.

It isn't an easy topic.

I think a man can save guard himself by not having random sex with random women. I guess I have missed the supposed witch hunts, but a man that is guilty of rape has committed a heinous crime, and I don't feel the penalties are strict enough. As men, we are held to a higher standard, so we should be holding ourselves to higher standards as well. I think it is a rediculous fallacy to assume that only 1% of men are capable of such things, and my own guess would be closer to double digits.

The OP makes it sound like the false accusations heavily outweigh legitimate claims, but I don't think that is accurate. Police investigations place great emphasis on evidence, at least in most cases. I would guess that more than half of all rapes go unreported, and although I feel bad for men who are falsely accused, I don't know how to address false accusations with out pushing the more vulnerable part of society further into the shadows. As men, we carry the weight of societal burdens... we need to accept that, and avoid situations that could make us vulnerable to false accusations.

ETA: Even worse, the link is about mistaken identity, not false accusations. The justice system failed, and a rapist is out there attacking woman.

On the cases where it's a woman doing the accusing, I'm not very quick to jump in. Duke Lacrosse taught me a thing or two as did the recent Rolling Stone rape story.

However, what about those times when we are talking about a raped child? Like the recent case with the toddler raped literally to death?

originally posted by: ketsuko
On the cases where it's a woman doing the accusing, I'm not very quick to jump in. Duke Lacrosse taught me a thing or two as did the recent Rolling Stone rape story.

However, what about those times when we are talking about a raped child? Like the recent case with the toddler raped literally to death?

The whole Duke Lacrosse case could have been avoided if they would have just paid their stripper... but a bunch of young men treating a woman like trash makes you wonder if something nefarious did happen, and if some sort of financial compensation was the real reason they were cleared. The lesson learned isn't necessarily to pay your stripper, but maybe to treat woman with more respect, as a lack of respect is the real issue with any sexual crime.

And you bring up an even more important point, child rape. False accusations are terrible, but we need to protect the most vulnerable amongst us

originally posted by: Midnightstar1365
Many people now see every man as a potential rapist if we haven't done it we probably will .
we are assumed to be guilty even when all the evidence says we are not.

This is actually not true at all, at least not in court.

Texthe conviction rate for rape is 58%. That bears repeating. The conviction rate for rape, is 58%. The conviction rate for reportable crimes of all types is 57%.

While many people think that the conviction rate for rapists is abysmal, it is comparable to other crimes. If someone is not guilty of rape "all of the evidence" will get them acquitted at about the same rate as any other crime. How society condemns someone accused of rape, well I'll grant you, that is another matter. it can be extraordinarily difficult to clear your name if you are being tried in the court of public opinion and that public has decided you are guilty; no matter what you did.

On the other hand, that court of public opinion tends to believe men more than women when it comes to rape.

originally posted by: Midnightstar1365 The the WORST thing is now woman use this to commit crimes just as devastating to a man as a accutal rape would
have been to them . And even when proven the woman Lied about a rape she rarely even gets a charge of filing false
report . and yet the man can be jailed for years decades even . And again the woman who lie about rape don't even get a smak on the wrist .

You are twisting the story to fit a Not All Men and Women Lie About Rape narrative. What happened to Luis Vargas was a gross miscarriage of justice. It was not some woman that just was out to get him though, it was three rapes with women who were actually raped (which is how they were able to clear him with DNA evidence) who made a mistake, and I suspect that the botched investigation itself had more to do with that mistake (I've seen cops lead witnesses and victims) and the wrongful incarceration of this man then anything else.

The justice system failed here, not some malicious lying woman as you would couch this.

On related note, false accusations of rape occur at about the same rate as any other crime. However, women are challenged in those accusations far more than with any other crime:

Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). So while they do happen, and they are very problematic when they do, people claim that allegations are false far more frequently than they are and far more frequently than for other crimes.

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originally posted by: Midnightstar1365 What really mystifies me is how fast men are so willing to jump on the lets torture and rape the rapist band wagon .

You're right that is an awful thing to do. Even if someone did rape someone two wrongs don't make a right, and further if there is a chance (and with out current justice system there is always a chance) that someone is wrongly convicted then we are brutally punishing an innocent. It's deplorable. People get increasingly hysterical sometimes when they're in a mob.

originally posted by: Midnightstar1365 And as if every man must be guilty .

Certainly not every man. Not even most. However, there is a significant enough risk that I would be foolish to not at least be somewhat suspicious of men that I don't know.

Nearly one in three college men admit they might rape a woman if they knew no one would find out and they wouldn’t face any consequences, according to a new study conducted by researchers at the University of North Dakota.

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Not to mention, my personal experience tells me that rape occurs often enough that I have experienced two attempted rapes (that I was lucky enough to thwart) and one successful rape (not so lucky). But... I should just go ahead and not be suspicious of men because it might make them feel kind of bad...? Please. If I did that anyway, just going blithely along like rape doesn't happen, then if it does happen, it will be MY fault because I put myself "at risk". See how this works? It's a tough world cupcake. I'm not going to risk a sexual assault just because I might hurt someone's feelings.

originally posted by: Midnightstar1365 Ps This is personal to me .

I'm sorry that happened to you and I'm glad that she was caught out in the lie, and I hope that it hasn't had too many negative repercussions for you. This is personal to me too, from both ends of it having been a victim of a gang rape and having the potential for a false accusation impact me personally (long story that would completely hijack your thread, so I'll leave it). I think many people have a personal stake in this though.

We need to think it through and presenting a story that doesn't really have anything to do with women lying about rape and using it as some sort of stepping stone and tacit "proof" that women lie about rape is disingenuous and highly immoral.

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