This Doctor’s 25 Years of Research Showed: Cancer Patients Live 4X Longer by Refusing Chemotherapy

originally posted by: Limbo
a reply to: Agartha

I really don't know if survival is up because of bias in the way the patients are selected etc.
If cancer is a metabolic disease and it surely points to that being true then no matter of drugs
would be able to cure it.
Limbo

No, no bias involved: survival rates have improved because of better detection techniques as interventions are most effective when cancer is detected at its earliest stages.

I have read a couple of articles that hint at a metabolic cause of cancer and not only genetics, but nothing confirmed. I have also read about metabolic therapy, mainly with diets and supplements, but they don't cure cancer. A healthy diet may help prevent cancer, but it cannot cure it. And true that cancer treatments are tough on the body, because they attack healthy cells too, but they have been proven to cure or control cancer and right now they are the best treatments we have.

The only way to deal with it would be to back peddle and accept
what evolution did to combat the disease i.e. restore the missing defence mechanisms...

How do you suggest we do that?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Glad you got better. I am certainly not trying to persuade anyone to have or refuse any treatment. I found it an interesting slant and thought it worthy of more discussion. I think the relationship we have with health is different for all of us..

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Glad you got better. I am certainly not trying to persuade anyone to have or refuse any treatment. I found it an interesting slant and thought it worthy of more discussion. I think the relationship we have with health is different for all of us..

Thanks. I'm pretty blunt on the topic as I was once one of those folks who maintained that if they ever got cancer, they'ed go straight alternative. So when I got tapped on the shoulder, I started essiac, Budwig protocol, Zyflamend, and over the course of a few months, they did precisely squat. My oncologist said...here...this radiation will cure you, and it did. Yes, it had been diagnosed and treated early and that's key.

However, spend a while going through diagnosis and treatment courtesy of the University of Youtube, etc, you can lose that precious window of opportunity. Here's a tip...don't trust anyone who is not a doctor unless they themselves have had cancer and beaten it through alternative means. I don't care what any one may say...if they have not stared cancer in the face, they don't know what they'd do.
Rant over, eh?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


Your bang on there, if you get it early, the surgeon can get it all out. If its left too long and it metastasizes , then you have to hope the mixture of Chemo blasts the mutated cells that end up in the blood stream via the lymph system, from forming another lump. Theirs been good science done in Nottingham University hospital, that Cayenne disrupts the cancer cells DNA , and causes it to self destruct in the blood stream especially, as all the Rats infected with human cancer cells, then treated with Cayenne were found to have no spreading, and shrinking tumours compared with the control group.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Glad you got better. I am certainly not trying to persuade anyone to have or refuse any treatment. I found it an interesting slant and thought it worthy of more discussion. I think the relationship we have with health is different for all of us..

Thanks. I'm pretty blunt on the topic as I was once one of those folks who maintained that if they ever got cancer, they'ed go straight alternative. So when I got tapped on the shoulder, I started essiac, Budwig protocol, Zyflamend, and over the course of a few months, they did precisely squat. My oncologist said...here...this radiation will cure you, and it did. Yes, it had been diagnosed and treated early and that's key.

However, spend a while going through diagnosis and treatment courtesy of the University of Youtube, etc, you can lose that precious window of opportunity. Here's a tip...don't trust anyone who is not a doctor unless they themselves have had cancer and beaten it through alternative means. I don't care what any one may say...if they have not stared cancer in the face, they don't know what they'd do.
Rant over, eh?

In my experience, they're the ones to be most wary about.
Invariably they have always had some conventional treatment then attributed their cancer disappearing to their subsequent alternative lifestyle/therapy etc. And there are some who pretend they've had cancer.
There's a few like that who spring to mind immediately.

a reply to: purplemer

Here is the original 1955 paper: DEMOGRAPHIC CONSIDERATION OF THE CANCER PROBLEM

It is however hidden behind a paywall...

stats, skew em no matter the position. whatever we wanna push, we skew. see it in this thread all over. not saying the chemo is good or bad, effective or in, but you gotta laugh a bit when you see people buying up nonsense and spreading it around as if it's legit. that southpark and the gal who is an ad, can't tell ads, like this thread people propagandists, can't tell propaganda. funny stuff!

4 years ago my father was fighting a rapidly losing battle with mouth and tongue cancer after being diagnosed a year and a half earlier. After having most of his tongue removed and rebuilt from muscle grafts followed by having his lymph nodes removed before the cancer could reach them he then went on to have many months of chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

Only last week he was given the all clear and has been told hes going to live to a ripe old age.

But i guess if we believe the article in the OP this would have just magically happened on its own...

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Limbo
a reply to: Agartha

I really don't know if survival is up because of bias in the way the patients are selected etc.
If cancer is a metabolic disease and it surely points to that being true then no matter of drugs
would be able to cure it.
Limbo

No, no bias involved: survival rates have improved because of better detection techniques as interventions are most effective when cancer is detected at its earliest stages.

I have read a couple of articles that hint at a metabolic cause of cancer and not only genetics, but nothing confirmed. I have also read about metabolic therapy, mainly with diets and supplements, but they don't cure cancer. A healthy diet may help prevent cancer, but it cannot cure it. And true that cancer treatments are tough on the body, because they attack healthy cells too, but they have been proven to cure or control cancer and right now they are the best treatments we have.

The only way to deal with it would be to back peddle and accept
what evolution did to combat the disease i.e. restore the missing defence mechanisms...

How do you suggest we do that?

Stop poisoning enzyme systems in the body.

Well we could eliminate glyphosate and other enzyme p450 inhibitors for a start.
Stop using fungicides on plants which enables the plants to manufacture salvestrols.
(Organic produce contains plenty of salvestrols.)

Another solution would be to stop the inhibitors and introduce salvestrols into the food supply.
Work on better methods of agriculture that do not use these inhibitors.
Work towards more healthy foods which contain more minerals and anti oxidants.
Limbo

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: Limbo
Thanks for link.


Dear OP
Another controversial and more modern analysis about chemotherapy.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Google keywords : Ulrich Abel Cancer Chemotherpy
Limbo

My definition of "modern" when applied to the medical field is in the last 5 years.
This review was published in 1992 which if my maths serves me correct is 23 years ago.
That's a long time and medicine has changed considerably.

Science is science no matter what. I could care less if it is 50 years or 5 years.
If it has not been rebuked in peer review then there's a good chance it still stands.
Limbo

originally posted by: Limbo

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: Limbo
Thanks for link.


Dear OP
Another controversial and more modern analysis about chemotherapy.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Google keywords : Ulrich Abel Cancer Chemotherpy
Limbo

My definition of "modern" when applied to the medical field is in the last 5 years.
This review was published in 1992 which if my maths serves me correct is 23 years ago.
That's a long time and medicine has changed considerably.

Science is science no matter what. I could care less if it is 50 years or 5 years.
If it has not been rebuked in peer review then there's a good chance it still stands.
Limbo

It would only be subject to any peer-review when it was published as it was a review, not a clinical study or research.
Since that was an overview of current practices and results from 23+ years ago it is well out of date and way out of the bounds of any peer-review.
By a long way.

Would a review of results and methods from 50 years ago be valid now?
No. No it wouldn't would it?

If you don't understand that then your comprehension of what constitutes science is seriously flawed.
To use that as current evidence is what's known as cherry-picking (amongst other things).

originally posted by: Limbo

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Limbo
a reply to: Agartha

I really don't know if survival is up because of bias in the way the patients are selected etc.
If cancer is a metabolic disease and it surely points to that being true then no matter of drugs
would be able to cure it.
Limbo

No, no bias involved: survival rates have improved because of better detection techniques as interventions are most effective when cancer is detected at its earliest stages.

I have read a couple of articles that hint at a metabolic cause of cancer and not only genetics, but nothing confirmed. I have also read about metabolic therapy, mainly with diets and supplements, but they don't cure cancer. A healthy diet may help prevent cancer, but it cannot cure it. And true that cancer treatments are tough on the body, because they attack healthy cells too, but they have been proven to cure or control cancer and right now they are the best treatments we have.

The only way to deal with it would be to back peddle and accept
what evolution did to combat the disease i.e. restore the missing defence mechanisms...

How do you suggest we do that?

Stop poisoning enzyme systems in the body.

Well we could eliminate glyphosate and other enzyme p450 inhibitors for a start.
Stop using fungicides on plants which enables the plants to manufacture salvestrols.
(Organic produce contains plenty of salvestrols.)

Another solution would be to stop the inhibitors and introduce salvestrols into the food supply.
Work on better methods of agriculture that do not use these inhibitors.
Work towards more healthy foods which contain more minerals and anti oxidants.
Limbo

Debatable whether glyphosphates and p450 enzymes cause cancer in humans.
Well, probably not even debatable.
www.skepticalraptor.com...

No real evidence that salvestrols have any input to preventing cancer.
www.rsc.org...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

And watch out for anti-oxidants, they are not the cure you're looking for...
www.scientificamerican.com...

originally posted by: Limbo

Stop poisoning enzyme systems in the body.

Well we could eliminate glyphosate and other enzyme p450 inhibitors for a start.
Stop using fungicides on plants which enables the plants to manufacture salvestrols.
(Organic produce contains plenty of salvestrols.)

Another solution would be to stop the inhibitors and introduce salvestrols into the food supply.
Work on better methods of agriculture that do not use these inhibitors.
Work towards more healthy foods which contain more minerals and anti oxidants.
Limbo

I was going to say that the three points you made don't have much evidence to back them up, but Pardon? beat me to it! lol

Cancer is not a modern disease caused only by our modern unhealthy lifestyles:
3000 yeas ago - www.dur.ac.uk...
4200 years ago - www.archaeology.org...

And scientists still don't know what causes it, they have lots of ideas but nobody has come up with a definitive answer as yet. We can try to prevent it with a healthy lifestyle but this doesn't guarantee success.

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: NautPsycho
Not surprising since radiation is obviously highly acidic to the body. Cancer is caused by cells mutating from being in an acid medium so what happens you put acids on acids? Hmm...why not address what caused the cancer in the first place like poor lifestyle, weak genetics, and the environment you reside in. We're talking chemistry here. Remove acids from the body by getting your kidneys filtering, leaving cooked acid forming foods in the dust and consuming alkaline living hydrating foods our bodies were designed to eat. Or you can go through chemotherapy and hope it works then hope cancer doesn't return since you haven't done anything to change the reason you got it in the first place. What a stupid ass way to treat a condition. I don't give an acrobatic f*** if it worked for you either. It's not the way, don't promote it.

Nearly.
But not quite.

Firstly, how is "radiation obviously acidic to the body"?
Be as specific as you can be and go into as much detail as you're able to please.

Cancer cells produce a transient, localised acidic environment due to the way they metabolise (it's also extremely weak and neutralised almost immediately).
They do not mutate nor do they grow due to an acidic environment in fact they require exactly the same pH levels as normal cells in order to grow.
That's physiological fact.
I'm talking BIOchemistry here.
Unfortunately the woo-meisters have either misunderstood this basic fact or are twisting it to sell books, therapies etc (my guess is the latter).

Even if this wasn't the case, eating alkaline foods would have no effect on the body's pH levels (food goes into stomach acid and anything alkaline is neutralised before it goes any further).
Homeostasis. Look it up.

I'll paraphrase your last sentence to bring it into the real world.
What a stupid ass way to treat a condition. There's no scientific way that it could work. The only way it could work is by magic but it doesn't anyway. It's not the way, don't promote it.

How is radiation acidic to the body? What is the pH of chemo? Tell me please. The cancer cells are mutated healthy cells that sat in an acidic environment because the body was unable to eliminate properly. Had the kidneys, the lymphatic system and the skin not been clogged by acid wastes/proteins/mucus/toxins then there is no cancer. The body is constantly detoxing itself when organs are working because the body isn't being fed crap.

You have much to learn about what cancer is, and how to remove it from the body. Lymph is our sewer system and surrounds every cell, when it's backed up that's called acidosis which is the cause of minor issues like acne or something potentially fatal like cancer. You say you cannot change the pH of the body...pH test your saliva on your current diet then go on a high fruit diet for 3 days and recheck. Mr Mackey mmkay for ya buddy. Get your lymph moving and kidneys filtering with specific herbs and a raw vegan, high fruit way of life to remove cancer naturally by providing your highly intelligent body the tools it needs via the Earth to do what it can do without RADIATION. RADIATION HAHAHA seriously? Go read some books, Jensen, Arnold Ehret, Dr Morse or you can youtube videos. You're still in programmed land by the AMA. Wake the f*** up and get with the truth. You'll see one day

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: Limbo

Thank you!
Pardon? has provided you with UK graphs too that back up what I said earlier.
I have to admit that the UK's statistics regarding childhood cancer look a lot better than the US ones, I'm still trying to think why. But, we cannot deny that survival has improved a lot, up to 80% which is three times more than 30 years ago! That says a lot about medical advances.

Cancer have always existed but in the past people used to die pretty quickly. Now most people can survive for decades and most manage to live a good life, I have met many.

originally posted by: NautPsycho
Not surprising since radiation is obviously highly acidic to the body. Cancer is caused by cells mutating from being in an acid medium so what happens you put acids on acids? Hmm...why not address what caused the cancer in the first place like poor lifestyle, weak genetics, and the environment you reside in.

Please enlighten us with your solution regarding weak genetics: how can we fix it?
And the acid theory, I'm sure you have good evidence to share here.

There is no simple answer to cancer, it can happen even if you live a very healthy life away from civilization. Of course there are clear things we can do to prevent it, like not smoking for example, but scientists are yet to discover exactly why cancer happens, especially childhood one.

You can reach genetic potential and strengthen weaknesses by simply feeding your cells what they require. Bathing yourself in high energy fruits, massive herbs and doing away with damaging hazardous cuisines. It's simple really. I was born with asthma, genetic weakness, couldn't run down the street with medicines. Had to be home schooled for quite some time. Switched my lifestyle up and I run miles non stop no medicine, just coconut water and fresh grape juice. I have begun to strengthen what was once weak.

The medicines I took for years (prednisone, albuterol) and other crap have taken a toll on my pituitary and adrenals among other glands. With the herbs I am regenerating what the medical system has once poisoned with their lousy way of helping. I have healed tumors effortlessly this way and many others have done so and much more for their bodies by consuming alkaline foods, removing acids from the body, and staying consistent.

Ask yourself, what are you composed of? Think abut everything you have ever eatin...what was that sh**? Who made it? What was it laced with and what has it done to your evolution...now imagine you knew everything you ate was beneficial to your body in an organic non tampered with way. No human interaction for profitable reasons, no lab made chemicals to keep the food from rotting sooner, no burning up of nutrients by cooking what is supposed to hydrate and nourish your cells...who would you be then? Would you have cancer? Na jack. You'd be the one helping others to cure themselves from cancer with the truth. Don't believe this scientific game. The puzzle has been solved...now go put the pieces together for yourself

I don't usually do testimonial type things on here but currently, the 16 year old daughter of a good friend of mine is about in the middle of her chemo treatment.
A while ago she noticed a lump on her leg and after a few checks she was diagnosed with a rhabdomyosarcoma (RMS).
This, in simple terms, is a cancer which effects muscle and connective tissues.
Immediately after diagnosis she went through a course of radiotherapy to limit the cancer spread (it's a pretty nasty one and can spread very quickly.)
She tolerated the rad reasonably well and that was successful and as I said, she's now halfway through her chemo.

I had the same thing. 18 months old, lump on leg, rhabdomyosarcoma. 2 years of chemo. radiation and surgery. End results 23 years later: physically healthy; 6 inches shorter than supposed to be(lucky I was suppossed to be 6'3 like my bro); no gracilis muscle on right side.
unfortunately I was in a study with a girl at the same hospital she was given a different dosage treatment and she died after 20 years of battling chemo complications.

originally posted by: NautPsycho


You can reach genetic potential and strengthen weaknesses by simply feeding your cells what they require. Bathing yourself in high energy fruits, massive herbs and doing away with damaging hazardous cuisines. It's simple really. I was born with asthma, genetic weakness, couldn't run down the street with medicines. Had to be home schooled for quite some time. Switched my lifestyle up and I run miles non stop no medicine, just coconut water and fresh grape juice. I have begun to strengthen what was once weak.

The medicines I took for years (prednisone, albuterol) and other crap have taken a toll on my pituitary and adrenals among other glands. With the herbs I am regenerating what the medical system has once poisoned with their lousy way of helping. I have healed tumors effortlessly this way and many others have done so and much more for their bodies by consuming alkaline foods, removing acids from the body, and staying consistent.

Ask yourself, what are you composed of? Think abut everything you have ever eatin...what was that sh**? Who made it? What was it laced with and what has it done to your evolution...now imagine you knew everything you ate was beneficial to your body in an organic non tampered with way. No human interaction for profitable reasons, no lab made chemicals to keep the food from rotting sooner, no burning up of nutrients by cooking what is supposed to hydrate and nourish your cells...who would you be then? Would you have cancer? Na jack. You'd be the one helping others to cure themselves from cancer with the truth. Don't believe this scientific game. The puzzle has been solved...now go put the pieces together for yourself

Once again, if you read my post you'll see that cancer have always existed even when man made chemicals had not been invented yet!
I'm talking thousands of years ago!

I don't think you read people's posts, you are in such hurry to write the same thing in many different forums!!

BTW, I'm 45, I look at least 10 years younger, no illness, no medication: should I now tell people to follow my lifestyle just like you do?

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: NautPsycho


You can reach genetic potential and strengthen weaknesses by simply feeding your cells what they require. Bathing yourself in high energy fruits, massive herbs and doing away with damaging hazardous cuisines. It's simple really. I was born with asthma, genetic weakness, couldn't run down the street with medicines. Had to be home schooled for quite some time. Switched my lifestyle up and I run miles non stop no medicine, just coconut water and fresh grape juice. I have begun to strengthen what was once weak.

The medicines I took for years (prednisone, albuterol) and other crap have taken a toll on my pituitary and adrenals among other glands. With the herbs I am regenerating what the medical system has once poisoned with their lousy way of helping. I have healed tumors effortlessly this way and many others have done so and much more for their bodies by consuming alkaline foods, removing acids from the body, and staying consistent.

Ask yourself, what are you composed of? Think abut everything you have ever eatin...what was that sh**? Who made it? What was it laced with and what has it done to your evolution...now imagine you knew everything you ate was beneficial to your body in an organic non tampered with way. No human interaction for profitable reasons, no lab made chemicals to keep the food from rotting sooner, no burning up of nutrients by cooking what is supposed to hydrate and nourish your cells...who would you be then? Would you have cancer? Na jack. You'd be the one helping others to cure themselves from cancer with the truth. Don't believe this scientific game. The puzzle has been solved...now go put the pieces together for yourself

Once again, if you read my post you'll see that cancer have always existed even when man made chemicals had not been invented yet!
I'm talking thousands of years ago!

I don't think you read people's posts, you are in such hurry to write the same thing in many different forums!!

BTW, I'm 45, I look at least 10 years younger, no illness, no medication: should I now tell people to follow my lifestyle just like you do?

You're not understanding that it is all ACIDS. Thousands of years ago to today people have damaged their cells with a high protein diet which equals wrecked eliminative organs which equals acidosis and cancer. Nowadays we have more things to acidify the body and the medical system has so many yummy tools to help you out. I read your replies but I don't think you're understanding mine. I don't care if you follow my way of life but I will share what I believe is the true way because I would want someone to drop that truth for me. 50 or 78 years old. How you look means nothing. How do you look on the inside? What's lurking about? Cancer is a result from poor body chemistry. There is acid or alkaline. Choose one. It sounds like regurgitated words because there is only so much I can say without sounding like a scratched cd. Take me as a grain of celtic salt. I am only here to help. Truly.

originally posted by: NautPsycho
Thousands of years ago to today people have damaged their cells with a high protein diet which equals wrecked eliminative organs which equals acidosis and cancer.

Australopithecus ate meat 2 million years ago!! We have always been omnivorous.

What can you say about the Inuits then? They only meat and fat, and practically no fruits or vegetables and yet prostate cancer amongst them (as an example) is practically unheard of (and other diseases).

originally posted by: NautPsycho

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: NautPsycho
Not surprising since radiation is obviously highly acidic to the body. Cancer is caused by cells mutating from being in an acid medium so what happens you put acids on acids? Hmm...why not address what caused the cancer in the first place like poor lifestyle, weak genetics, and the environment you reside in. We're talking chemistry here. Remove acids from the body by getting your kidneys filtering, leaving cooked acid forming foods in the dust and consuming alkaline living hydrating foods our bodies were designed to eat. Or you can go through chemotherapy and hope it works then hope cancer doesn't return since you haven't done anything to change the reason you got it in the first place. What a stupid ass way to treat a condition. I don't give an acrobatic f*** if it worked for you either. It's not the way, don't promote it.

Nearly.
But not quite.

Firstly, how is "radiation obviously acidic to the body"?
Be as specific as you can be and go into as much detail as you're able to please.

Cancer cells produce a transient, localised acidic environment due to the way they metabolise (it's also extremely weak and neutralised almost immediately).
They do not mutate nor do they grow due to an acidic environment in fact they require exactly the same pH levels as normal cells in order to grow.
That's physiological fact.
I'm talking BIOchemistry here.
Unfortunately the woo-meisters have either misunderstood this basic fact or are twisting it to sell books, therapies etc (my guess is the latter).

Even if this wasn't the case, eating alkaline foods would have no effect on the body's pH levels (food goes into stomach acid and anything alkaline is neutralised before it goes any further).
Homeostasis. Look it up.

I'll paraphrase your last sentence to bring it into the real world.
What a stupid ass way to treat a condition. There's no scientific way that it could work. The only way it could work is by magic but it doesn't anyway. It's not the way, don't promote it.

How is radiation acidic to the body? What is the pH of chemo? Tell me please. The cancer cells are mutated healthy cells that sat in an acidic environment because the body was unable to eliminate properly. Had the kidneys, the lymphatic system and the skin not been clogged by acid wastes/proteins/mucus/toxins then there is no cancer. The body is constantly detoxing itself when organs are working because the body isn't being fed crap.

You have much to learn about what cancer is, and how to remove it from the body. Lymph is our sewer system and surrounds every cell, when it's backed up that's called acidosis which is the cause of minor issues like acne or something potentially fatal like cancer. You say you cannot change the pH of the body...pH test your saliva on your current diet then go on a high fruit diet for 3 days and recheck. Mr Mackey mmkay for ya buddy. Get your lymph moving and kidneys filtering with specific herbs and a raw vegan, high fruit way of life to remove cancer naturally by providing your highly intelligent body the tools it needs via the Earth to do what it can do without RADIATION. RADIATION HAHAHA seriously? Go read some books, Jensen, Arnold Ehret, Dr Morse or you can youtube videos. You're still in programmed land by the AMA. Wake the f*** up and get with the truth. You'll see one day

Radiotherapy is not chemotherapy, they are two very different treatments.
One uses radiation, the other uses chemicals.
It's sort of described in their respective names.
I mean, if you don't understand the very basics well how are you supposed to understand anything more complex?

So, since you got the obvious wrong, I would suggest that anything that comes after that will also be wrong.
(And looking at what you've written, I'm not wrong)