Dutch Parliament Member: We Must Close All Mosques & Ban Islam

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: UnBreakable

The reason why obama doesn't bash muslims on muslim holidays is because
HE IS A MUSLIM! To christians and the rest of the country,he is a wolf in
sheep's clothing.

Obama isn't a Muslim, but he does demonstrate obvious disdain for Christians and Jews.

Well i bet if you ask a practicing Muslim it is by Father that you are unless you publicly denounce the religion. DO i have to give examples what happened to the people who did that in the ME?

a reply to: mamabeth

Time will tell? Obama has been president for 7 years now and if you think time is "going to tell" in the future something else then you are just letting your biases trump all other information.

a reply to: Justoneman

So your evidence against them goes as follows, "Muslims can be xenophobic too, therefore we shouldn't let them into our country." They still have to obey our laws you know? It's not like their beliefs and actions are going to magically trump our laws. They can TRY to rape women or beat their wives, but they'll go to jail for it just like a non-Muslims will.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Justoneman

So your evidence against them goes as follows, "Muslims can be xenophobic too, therefore we shouldn't let them into our country." They still have to obey our laws you know? It's not like their beliefs and actions are going to magically trump our laws. They can TRY to rape women or beat their wives, but they'll go to jail for it just like a non-Muslims will.

So am I to assume from this comment you are ok with what has transpired with the sharia law zones in the Western Society?
Not every location can you say there are no go zones but there are some and here i give examples.

www.nytimes.com...

Here this report is of how American Christians got stoned in a no go zone where your death may happen before they do something about it.

www.clarionproject.org...

a reply to: Justoneman

Sharia "No-Go" Zones

FALSE

The multifaceted rumor has several aspects spanning multiple countries: among areas rumored to be partially under de facto Islamic law are Birmingham, England; a small Muslim enclave (commonly known as Islamberg) within Hancock, New York; Dearborn, Michigan; and more than 750 unspecified areas in and around Paris and elsewhere in France. The confusion Araud expressed in response to Emerson's statements (before the Fox News segment) appeared to stem from translation confusion over what are known as "zones urbaines sensibles" (ZUS) or "sensitive urban zones" in France. While some pockets of citizenry (including high-density Muslim populations) in France have indeed been identified as ZUS, and the term is not a designator for large populations of Muslims. Rather, the highlighted areas are ones that have been afflicted with issues such as crime, poverty, unemployment, and blight and are therefore targeted for urban renewal initiatives. Perhaps owing to the language barrier, the ZUS have been assumed to be designators of areas of Islamic lawlessness in recent years, but as noted at Geographic Travels:

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Question? Do you ever believe any reports from non-muslim countries about
problems these countries are facing because of muslim immigration?

Europe has opened the doors WIDE OPEN for terrorist to strike and spread fear..... part of the NWO.

Now watch the governments in Europe change laws in the next few weeks.... by becoming more involved in your personal life. Removing or changing basic laws, (freedom and privacy), to a surveillance camera on every corner in Europe with the explanation of making your life safe and secure....

You mean like I predicted a month ago - a month before the Paris attacks that there were going to be attacks and then what you say above would happen?

Here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: UnBreakable

The reason why obama doesn't bash muslims on muslim holidays is because
HE IS A MUSLIM! To christians and the rest of the country,he is a wolf in
sheep's clothing.

Obama isn't a Muslim, but he does demonstrate obvious disdain for Christians and Jews.

Well i bet if you ask a practicing Muslim it is by Father that you are unless you publicly denounce the religion. DO i have to give examples what happened to the people who did that in the ME?

I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt because I saw him in church in a picture once, although he was part of the congregation of radical preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is a former Muslim. He doesn't attend church though as most recent presidents did.

"OBAMA DOESN’T ATTEND CHURCH SO AS NOT TO DISTRACT OTHERS, SAYS ADVISOR"
www.breitbart.com...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok , so snopes has pegged it as false when we do have examples don't we? What does that say for Snopes? A touch of Wiki in snopes if it involves politics. If you haven't already, you need to read the book 1984 as soon as you can and see if all this makes more sense. He who controls the flow of knowledge to the common man, controls man. We have to use our other senses such as eye witnessing events and be smart enough to observe there is a cult that runs the media. In Germany their are now no go zones.

This is the counter argument for snopes data on this matter.

www.mrctv.org...

swedenreport.org...

(and this quote in the one below)

"Despite such politically correct denials, Muslim no-go zones are a well-known fact of life in many parts of Europe.

www.gatestoneinstitute.org...

a reply to: UnBreakable

Ok i can see your position. I hope you are right and my eyes and ears are lying to my inner consciousness. Please, enlighten me on what is the right course in such matters. Do any of you think we have serious reasons to NOT BE concerned for the safety of our loved ones. In this case it is needlessly when there have been better options all along?

a reply to: mamabeth

don't you realize all those videos we've seen are produced, directed, and starring those who would perpetrate slander against the innocent?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

He still has over a year to go and he has done a lot of
damage to our country already.
1.WIDE open borders.
2.Forcing states to take in these Syrian refugees.
3.Giving aid and supplies to our known enemies.
Now some "good he has done"...
1.His policies are causing an increase in gun and ammunition sales.
2.More americans are getting their carry conceal licenses.
3.More americans are slowly starting to wake up and take notice.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Klassified

I doubt it. The news article itself is likely true, it's just the OP's ramblings about Japan are wrong and incorrect. Though we ARE talking about one idiotic politician's opinion on Muslims here. The op is the equivalent of someone finding a speech from Ted Cruz and pretending like his opinion is the unified opinion on things for all politicians in the government.

True enough. Can you imagine a politician making this speech about Christians or Jews? The proverbial caca would hit the fan world-wide. lol

Kinda like when Obama denigrated Christians a last year? Absolutely no caca hit the fan.

Obama Smears Christians During Easter Speech

President Obama is talking smack about Christians again, making these comments Tuesday at the Easter Prayer Breakfast:
“On Easter, I do reflect on the fact that as a Christian, I am supposed to love,” he said. “And I have to say that sometimes when I listen to less than loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned,” President Obama said, before theatrically stopping himself. “But that’s a topic for another day.”
This is the same guy who once accused all of us Christians of clinging to our guns and religion. Interesting fact about our president: He never bashes Muslims on Muslim holidays, but he seems to take great pleasure in dumping on Christians during our holidays".
nation.foxnews.com...

I'll give you that he said those things, but when was the last time he gave a speech like the one in the OP?

So you're changing the goalposts because of how you perceive the degree of offensiveness? I countered your reply with a politician (namely the POTUS of one of the superpowers vs a Dutch parliament member) showing disdain for one religion while never showing any criticism of another.

How am I moving the goalposts, when your example doesn't match the OP? Criticism is one thing. Deportation, and tearing down mosques is quite another.

a reply to: Justoneman

Come on man... Don't tell me to read 1984. I didn't join ATS yesterday you know? Though society today doesn't mirror that book.

Plus, just because some Muslims are trying to enforce that doesn't mean it is legal and that is an actual "No-go" zone. I imagine that if those groups ran across the police, they'd be arrested for harassing the public. You second link says this:

To the best of my knowledge, there are no Shariah patrols in Sweden. But there are several essentially lawless areas where the police concedes that they have indeed lost control. There are also a few areas that I’m not certain why they made the list, to be honest. Such as Täby; a well-to-do white enclave outside Stockholm that is hardly known for drive-by shootings. Still, the bulk of the list is accurate in my opinion.

Lawlessness doesn't necessarily equate to a Sharia no-go zone. Look at the end of the day, all these neighborhoods are is ghettos. They are just ghettos with Muslims in them. By inventing a stupid term like "no-go" zone you are making it seem like things are different from other ghettos. They aren't. Ghettos SUCK to go into if you are an outsider and MANY ghettos even police fear to tread. The No-go rhetoric is just a way to demonize Muslims for behaving like everyone else behaves while living in a ghetto.

a reply to: angeldoll

So,what is the truth? Also,who is innocent?

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Krazysh0t

He still has over a year to go and he has done a lot of
damage to our country already.
1.WIDE open borders.
2.Forcing states to take in these Syrian refugees.
3.Giving aid and supplies to our known enemies.
Now some "good he has done"...
1.His policies are causing an increase in gun and ammunition sales.
2.More americans are getting their carry conceal licenses.
3.More americans are slowly starting to wake up and take notice.

Uh huh... *eye roll* Heard all this crap before and I really don't care about it anymore. It's not scary anymore. There was a time where I liked to humor it, but I'm over it. Obama is the devil and the country sucks. Blah blah blah. Sorry, I'm not going to take anyone's opinion seriously that still thinks that Obama is a Muslim.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Touche'...... tongue out of cheek on the 1984.....

I do see a pattern that matches that book and I wonder why you seem to not see it were my thoughts?


Should we take such abnormal and unusual risks associated with this particular situation or pull back for the sake of the safety of our own children here who are innocent?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

These muslim ghettos could be considered no-go zones for the following reasons...
1.If you should be eating a pork sandwich.
2.drinking a beer or other alcohol drinks.
3. Wearing clothes that are considered immodest.
4.Being a woman or girl without a male escort.
5.Being a homosexual and kissing and holding hands with your partner.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Touche'...... tongue out of cheek on the 1984.....

I do see a pattern that matches that book and I wonder why you seem to not see it were my thoughts?

I've had a VERY long journey here at ATS full of changing beliefs as new information has been presented to me. I used to be right there with you hunting for all the parallels I can point out between our society and 1984. Now I know that such actions are likely to be marred by perception bias. I'm going to SEE the parallels to 1984 because I'm looking for them. Meanwhile, I'm going to ignore all the contradictions because I'm NOT looking for them. It's one of the ways our brains play tricks on us.

Should we take such abnormal and unusual risks associated with this particular situation or pull back for the sake of the safety of our own children here who are innocent?

Well I wouldn't advise taking my children into a ghetto to begin with, Muslim filled or otherwise. So I really don't see a difference one way or the other.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Krazysh0t

These muslim ghettos could be considered no-go zones for the following reasons...
1.If you should be eating a pork sandwich.
2.drinking a beer or other alcohol drinks.
3. Wearing clothes that are considered immodest.
4.Being a woman or girl without a male escort.
5.Being a homosexual and kissing and holding hands with your partner.

So? I can walk into any other ghetto and be assaulted for white or even just being an outsider. Do you think it is safer to walk into a ghetto full of Mexicans or black people rather than Muslims?