'This Is Not Islam': #NotInMyName Campaign Revived After Paris Attacks

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Sure. They're even PC.




lmao

a reply to: Kali74

LOL Perfect!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No true Scotsman!

a reply to: Kali74

just so you understand the Posse comment, in almost any thread bashing republicans, demeaning liberals, or mentioning PC, a select few will always be seen. You are one of them. It's not a bad thing, I frequent a few spots myself. But it's noticeable on my end too.

And without you and your posse, this would be a boring place, so keep on being a militant liberal, and I'll cringe and disagree, and hopefully learn something.

On the Muslim hate thing, I stand up to the "all X are bad" ideals and try to discredit that type of discussion. And I know there are good Muslims just as there are good Christians. (and bad of both and all), but so many seemingly intelligent people have the belief that the Muslim religion has been calculating and patiently advancing their agenda to do as the Christians tried to in the Crusades, that you kind of get curious as to why that is.

Christians go to great lengths to convert "the lost" to Christianity. Mission trips, traveling to other countries and preaching the gospel. So however it happens, both religions are actively looking to convert non believers.

I am of the opinion that unless you come to the belief on your own, it's pointless, but then, so it my opinion.

I guess I am frustrated about trying to protect my family from an enemy that cannot be identified until AFTER they strike. I need to have a bad guy to point to, and there is none. That frustration can cause cloudy judgement. If I am susceptible to that type of thought, and I already believe all religions are united by a creator, how can I be angry at others for having the same thoughts?

This is the type of thing I wish I was oblivious to. I wish it didn't matter. It does.

I am not trying to justify my concern, just explain it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

As much is it is my natural response to disagree with you, you are spot on with your OP today. I think it is important that we not use a broad brush to paint all Muslims as maniacal killers. Even if I might disagree with much of what they believe I know that when I meet people as individuals there is a good chance we will get along just fine. Groups of people can be insane, but a person will usually become a new friend.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Great. More armchair activism. That'll stop the other members of their religion from blowing themselves up in crowded markets. A twitter hashtag...what a joke. Not impressed.

a reply to: network dude

Well said and commendable. I understand better now what you are saying and that you are trying. I feel fairly sure that Muslims in the West do not try to recruit but a lot of Mosques are open to everyone as long as you're willing to abide the customs they use within, as would be expected of anyone in a temple or church.

Just one thing, I'm not militant anything and not Liberal but I do identify with Liberals on much, much more than I do Conservatives for sure. There are a few things I identify with Conservatives on as well. It's really not important in the context of all this but it's a personal grr for me that I can rarely suppress lol.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Just remember, not all Muslims want to kill you no matter WHAT you think their holy texts say.

I just wonder why I dont see left wingers doing this when there is a racist incident in the US. Anytime some random white guy or back woods hick says something racist it becomes a national news story and is reported in a way to shame all white people. There is no liberal out cry to not blame all white people or all republicans or what have you. Anytime a Christian declines to participate in a gay wedding in becomes a national news story on how bigoted Christians in the country are. Are you seeing the contradiction at all?

In any case, a lot more Muslims are extreme than you or other left wingers will ever admit. World wide polling shows large percentages of them support extremist polices or actions. I have no doubt not all Muslims are this way, but you guys are down playing the numbers for the sake of political correctness.

I think the reason for this is that liberals DECIDE who to support. In this case Muslims and blacks. The rule, the idea the law doesn't matter. Sure, they will state it like it actually means something but then in the next breath choose sides that don't follow the rule. Look at the gay, trans, etc. If you disagree with their lifestyle, you are somehow ignorant and evil. But if you agree with the catholic lifestyle you are again ignorant and evil. They seem to dislike whites, catholics, straights, wealthy, successful, non-handicapped, males, republicans, etc., etc., etc.

Don't believe the lie. They are the biggest hypocrites and claim they are the only ones who are not hypocrites. Almost comical...huh?

Apperantly the Qu'ran says to obey the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible as well as Muhammad, who was trying to unify people under God's name. www.christ-religion.com...

a reply to: InhaleExhale

It's simple, all the bombs we drop over the ME also include courtesy service questionnaires where the survivors can rate what they think of the West and the US. It saves money on doing separate polls.

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Great. More armchair activism. That'll stop the other members of their religion from blowing themselves up in crowded markets. A twitter hashtag...what a joke. Not impressed.

Where did I say that this was going to stop extremists for doing anything? This is about trying not to get people to not view the ENTIRE demographic of the religion as evil people. It has nothing to do with stopping terrorism. It has to do with stopping domestic xenophobia against innocent Muslims caught up in the crossfire.

What you are talking about is a strawman.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

The rule, the idea the law doesn't matter. Sure, they will state it like it actually means something but then in the next breath choose sides that don't follow the rule.

Which laws are gay and trans people breaking exactly?

a reply to: TheBulk

Whats wrong with being anti-islamic?

Wouldn't you have have some knowledge about something to have hate for it?

I find it odd that every time Muslims massacre people, you guys are out shaming everyone else.

This shows you know nothing about Islam other than what the TV or media tell you.

Muslims massacre people,

If you believe ISIS terrorists represent anything that is Islam than you are as lost as those that think they are Muslims but end up killing innocence which Islam is strongly against.

If what I say puts you too shame well you have no one to blame but yourself.

you cant fight fire with fire.

Spreading hate towards Islam is exactly what these terrorists want to be able to manipulate more young minds into joining the cause of these sick individuals.

Some suggestions I have read on ATS recently is exactly the sort of stuff these terrorists want.

Being posted on in a public forum it becomes a tool for them to use to recruit.

Look at how much info there is on the internet and how many young and old people alike believe in what they read even though it might not be true or might be a form of propaganda.

Pointing to threads on ATS along with the many blogs out there that might have similar content concerning a hate towards Islam and how it should be banned here or there, how Arab looking Muslims should be tagged, how immigrants should be treated as child molesters and put on list of dangerous people until they prove otherwise is exactly the sort of information that is shown to young Muslims to get them to have hate in their hearts for the west as whole.

It becomes a tool for their recruitment, a tool created by those that speak against the terror, people speak against it but how they do actually helps it strive.

This is what I do try to shame because it is shameful, its either done through ignorance, the person just see that their hate will eventually used against them or worse there are sick people from all walks of life that just constant chaos and war so by spreading their hate they know it will fuel more hate from the ones they hate and it just snowballs.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

THIS! So much this!
The Return of Republican Islamophobia

The Obama administration, like the Bush administration before it, believes in defining the conflict in the most narrow terms. There is a very good reason for this. The United States is not actually at war with Islam. Non-extremist Muslims account for the lion's share of the victims of jihadist terror, and are needed as allies in the conflict. Air strikes and counterterrorism may be important tools against ISIS, but in the long run, we need non-radicals to maintain the loyalties of the majority of the Muslim world. If the Muslim world gravitates toward its most extreme elements, the West will find itself in an unwinnable struggle against an enemy that can generate fighters moving invisibly among 1.6 billion people worldwide. The radicals want to persuade the rest of the Muslims that they represent Islam writ large in a clash against Christians and Jews. The West’s strategy is predicated on breaking down this link, making it as hard as possible for them to claim that the West is at war with Islam as a whole.

The attacks in Paris reinvigorated this impulse. Republicans as a whole have seized upon a need to broaden the terms of the conflict as their main point of differentiation with the Democrats. In a new op-ed today, Romney insists, “We must begin by identifying the enemy. We will not defeat it if we are afraid to call it by its name.” He cites no historical examples of wars that were lost due to leaders failing to identify their enemy with the correct verbiage — he simply treats the strategic value of offending Muslims as self-evident. On the other end of the party spectrum, Donald Trump [See update at bottom] is issuing inflammatory calls to close down mosques. Figures like Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush are calling for the United States to admit only Christian refugees, thereby positioning the United States as indifferent to ISIS’s primary victims.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Talk about stupidity.

Could they actually be aware that their ideas will simply incite more hatred and create constant war so as they can profit while the rest suffer?

Oh wow a hashtag campaign

It should fix everything, just like twitter always does.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

And this bold act of twitterism is definitely working. America is saved and the innocent Moslems are saved. Well done. Twitter literally blew the doors off these issues.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Talk about stupidity.

Could they actually be aware that their ideas will simply incite more hatred and create constant war so as they can profit while the rest suffer?

I'm sure they are VERY aware of this fact. MIC probably has quite a few Republican politicians in their pockets.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

You know if it upsets you so much, you don't have to post in this thread. It's just a simple act to expand awareness. No, it's not going to fix everything, but what's the point in being nasty and sarcastic for trying? It's not hurting anyone to do it.

Sheesh, I didn't realize that highlighting a need for better awareness to real Islam was so offensive to people. Do you want to maintain a xenophobic look at the religion at all costs or something? Like why are you mad that these people are doing this or that I posted this thread? Did one of the Muslim people on twitter piss in your Cheerios or something?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

You know if it upsets you so much, you don't have to post in this thread. It's just a simple act to expand awareness. No, it's not going to fix everything, but what's the point in being nasty and sarcastic for trying? It's not hurting anyone to do it.

Sheesh, I didn't realize that highlighting a need for better awareness to real Islam was so offensive to people. Do you want to maintain a xenophobic look at the religion at all costs or something? Like why are you mad that these people are doing this or that I posted this thread? Did one of the Muslim people on twitter piss in your Cheerios or something?

To be blunt, there are a lot of people who just don't like Islam/Muslims. They don't need a reason, they just don't like us. Don't get me wrong, they have no problem compiling reasons to justify or rationalize their dislike for Islam. But to know their true feelings, look at their reactions when their "reasons" are debunked.

If they really disliked Muslims because of the reasons they present, they'd reevaluate their positions upon receiving the new information. There have been many posters on ATS who've fit into this category. This includes a recent thread where the OP stated that they didn't realize there were more than 1.6 billion Muslims globally (so the fearmongering clearly didn't match the reality).

Unfortunately, there are many people who fit into another category. When their talking points are debunked or clarified, instead of reevaluating their positions, they get angry, ignore the new information, or try to find new reasons to rationalize their dislike of us. There's nothing we can do to get those people to change their feelings. That's something they'll either have to live with or change in their own time.