The Time Has Come...

I'm just going to post this and allow everyone digest it. There are no arguments here, just thoughts that no one will change.

First a quote and link from FoxNews and John Bolton (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations from 2005 through 2006)

Indeed, this is a time for statesmanship, resolve and determination, not for sweeping the cruel reality of what has just happened under the rug. Our ability to safeguard the future may well depend in substantial part on what we do and how we do it in just these coming days and weeks.

Here is the full read...and this man is 100% correct. FoxNews

OK...enough of that. I can't tell you how sad I felt for the French people when this evil deed was executed. That feeling has quickly changed to anger. First of all...these terrorists came over along with the refugees from Syria or wherever. These are the same refugees entering Germany and maybe the USA. What idiot DIDN'T realize that terrorists would be joining them? Whoever didn't think that should be removed from their position in government, military, etc.

Second...this was what...20 terrorist killing or injuring over 350 people. Do the math and remember how many it took to execute 9/11. Then look at those who would have you believe that we have to help these "refugees". They are nothing but a segway for terrorism and I wonder how many in the group knew terrorists were among them. I question their need for shelter from fighting, I doubt their innocent reasons for asking for help and in reality...I believe this is a simple plan for people who can't invade any other way. Prey on our weakness, invade and kill. And yes...I've been saying this for years.

Finally...the truth I have discovered by learning, speaking with military that were there that there is no such thing as a non-radical Muslim. They are all either active, passive or supportive terrorists. No...maybe not some of those here in the US but I'm sure they could be easily turned either by force or fear. Remember...this is for their God. A "true believer" would do anything for their God. Unless you are saying they aren't true believers?

Anyway, that is where I am. I wish the French the best of luck as I doubt they can count on our corrupt government for help. I feel so bad for all the innocent civilians that died needlessly. Oh...one more thing. If you don't think this is coming to the US, you are as stupid as those "leaders" I mentioned earlier. Don't believe the lies.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Multiple Islamic scholars have stated that these attacks are a declaration of war against Islam itself and Islam in no way, shape or form condones this passively or otherwise.

I am not going to digest the garbage of your post.

a reply to: reldra

And that is obviously your right. I believe otherwise. Mostly because I judge people on their actions, not easily lied words.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Finally...the truth I have discovered by learning, speaking with military that were there that there is no such thing as a non-radical Muslim. They are all either active, passive or supportive terrorists.

I agree with some of what your saying, but I can't agree with what you are saying in the above. There are some moderate Muslims who are against the evil that is perpetrated on humanity by their extremist brethren, but they are drowned out by the crazies who are much more vocal and frankly well-funded.

I can't get behind judging everyone of a particular race, creed or ideology with one broad stroke. Step back and make sure you have all the information before rushing to judgement.

I have met few people with no redeeming value and there is always something to learn from our fellow humans if we give them an opportunity.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

hmmm, I never thought I would ever remotely agree with anything coming from Fox News.

In my opinion, there are many truths spoken in that statement.

Maybe I'm still a bit raw from what happened in France....I don't know.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

You say this:

Mostly because I judge people on their actions, not easily lied words.

but you just said this:

Finally...the truth I have discovered by learning, speaking with military that were there that there is no such thing as a non-radical Muslim. They are all either active, passive or supportive terrorists.

You're contradicting yourself. You don't judge people individually by their actions at all. In fact, you've judged a billion and a half people to be terrorists or supporters of terrorism based on the actions of a few.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Finally...the truth I have discovered by learning, speaking with military that were there that there is no such thing as a non-radical Muslim. They are all either active, passive or supportive terrorists. No...maybe not some of those here in the US but I'm sure they could be easily turned either by force or fear. Remember...this is for their God. A "true believer" would do anything for their God. Unless you are saying they aren't true believers?

What do you suggest? "killem all and let God sort em out"....you know like that German guy wanted to do to the juuz.

a reply to: Metallicus

Metallicus...I respect your opinion and your views in general. But allow me to ask this. You say "there are moderate Muslims who are against the evil". How do you know there are such Muslims? Because they say those words, or because they take action to eliminate the evil within their own religion? The Paris terrorists showed everyone with words and then actions...and then their deaths. What value are words when compared to words, actions and self-sacrifice? Which weighs heaviest on the scale? Show me the Muslims rioting and attacking the terrorists because they threaten the US. I don't see them. I hear them...but it reminds me of the movie Mars Attacks where the martians are killing the humans, carrying a translator that keeps repeating "we come in peace". Remember...this enemy can't hope to beat us in a military war. What they are doing is exactly what they need to do. Quietly invade and then destroy from within.

Regardless...I appreciate your difference of opinion.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Learning from those who have been somewhere I haven't and people I have no reason to distrust is much different than people who belong to a group trying to kill us telling me that at least they don't. Sorry.

a reply to: olaru12

I would say that might be a choice we have to make some day. But as far as Hitler...he wasn't ending the killing of his people in his genocide.

a reply to: olaru12

And just out of curiousity...if it was proven 100% beyond a doubt that this was the case, would you then agree that they need to be destroyed? Or is that just outside of possible for you? Seriously...I'm not trying to be an ass. I can see some people just unable to deal with that kind of choice.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: olaru12

I would say that might be a choice we have to make some day. .

WE....? Don't include me in your racism and hate!

a reply to: olaru12

Yeah, yeah, yeah...racism and hate. Anyway, I'm outa here. I'm not here to argue a point...just rant (you know...as the forum states).

To anyone who made it this far and hasn't...please read the FoxNews article. It is truly logical and fair.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

You say "there are moderate Muslims who are against the evil". How do you know there are such Muslims?

Because they are actually fighting against ISIS or did you just think just good ol Christians were over there doing the fighting?

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

FoxNews article. It is truly logical and fair.

Like those two words could ever be attributed to a FOX news story.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Yes the more you blindly hate millions of people the more likely they are to hate you right back and isis loves it. Makes it easier to recruit.

You are doing what isis wants.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Judging all people in a group, by the actions of a small minority is not rational, logical, fair, intelligent, or acceptable. It is the opposite of all of those things, no matter how terrible the crimes of the few are.

Just as it was the case that not all Irish people were involved in blowing up office complexes and police stations back in the day, it is also true that not all Muslims are involved in, or support terror networks. Refuse to accept nuance, and you will automatically invalidate every point, every opinion, every argument which forms inside your head.

Also, your sources...they sound like a mighty biased mob. Probably some understandable PTSD involved there, but the thing with people who have been to the sharp end, is that they only really see the places where the most danger lies, where the most folk are in it up to their necks. They do not go to peaceful places, by and large, because there is no need for them there. That automatically biases their view, because humans can be strong of body, and strong of will, but still weak of mind, no matter how much honour they make for themselves in battle, or how respected they might be.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Some will just never get it. I think they actually do sometimes but don't want to admit it. I don't know.

Well...I'll add this much. The only way to assure that no American dies at the hands of one of these "refugees" or a terrorist hiding among them is ONLY to not allow them in. Obama and his friends won't refuse them access into our country. Therefore...it is a FACT that Obama and the liberals have decided that there is an acceptable number of dead Americans they are willing to allow in order to bring these people in.

I'm sorry that many of you disagree with my opinion and prediction. But I truly believe that in the end, what I have stated is the truth and the truth WILL come out over time. Trying to live at peace with people whose religion dictates the way they live and what they do...and the fact that their religion makes no room for the infidel...I'm secure in my belief.

And if I'm wrong...no one dies. If you are, if Obama is...how many ARE acceptable. How many will you allow to die to be politically correct?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Judging all people in a group, by the actions of a small minority is not rational, logical, fair, intelligent, or acceptable. It is the opposite of all of those things, no matter how terrible the crimes of the few are.

Just as it was the case that not all Irish people were involved in blowing up office complexes and police stations back in the day, it is also true that not all Muslims are involved in, or support terror networks. Refuse to accept nuance, and you will automatically invalidate every point, every opinion, every argument which forms inside your head.

Also, your sources...they sound like a mighty biased mob. Probably some understandable PTSD involved there, but the thing with people who have been to the sharp end, is that they only really see the places where the most danger lies, where the most folk are in it up to their necks. They do not go to peaceful places, by and large, because there is no need for them there. That automatically biases their view, because humans can be strong of body, and strong of will, but still weak of mind, no matter how much honour they make for themselves in battle, or how respected they might be.

Well said...I disagree. I see no problem in looking out for danger and avoiding it whenever possible. I do that with my children, family and friends. They do it for me. We don't risk each other's lives. Our government does...many of the left do or are willing to. They are no friends of mine, my family's or my friends.