Nonconformity is unity.

As it is explained, nonconformity in your heart is unity with yourself. How's that for a fact?

The soup is cold when it is not hot, or just a little lukewarm.

"Don't find your way, find what is in the way."

So far my "delusional ramblings" as the enlightened ones would call it.

a reply to: Ladybug201

This probably makes more sense to yourself. But some things are hard to get across.

Very koan like I think.. I occupy myself with these kinds of things mentally when I'm bored.

Wanna elaborate perhaps?

originally posted by: Ladybug201
As it is explained, nonconformity in your heart is unity with yourself. How's that for a fact?

'Facts' are no more than 'beliefs'.

"New study of the brain shows that facts and beliefs are processed in exactly the same way."

www.newsweek.com...

Frankly, I have no clue what " nonconformity in your heart is unity with yourself" means.
Not 'conforming' with what 'in your heart' (whatever that means)?
Unity with yourself sounds rather schizophrenic.
Who and what were you before you unionized with yourself?

Most bumperstickers fall apart under the least light of critical examination.
How is this different?
What am I missing?

The soup is cold when it is not hot, or just a little lukewarm.

The soup is an entire range, a whole spectrum, a 'cloud' of various temperatures, of which the exceptionally subjective 'cold' and 'hot' and 'lukewarm' are but a few!

"Don't find your way, find what is in the way."

Don't you have to 'know the way', finding it first, before you can 'clear it'?

I think I have a possibly similar saying;
"Our lives are filled with 'speed bumps' that are constantly shifting as we age.
Happy people learn to dance between them, the immature beat their heads against them, trying to remove them!"

Nonconformity within your heart is unity with yourself? "Yourself" is an extension of your heart as your heart is just another part of your being. I could see how this works if you said "nonconformity with your brain is unity with your heart" but you all you did was contradict yourself twice in the same sentence.

Please relax a little before dwelling into deep thought. You might find gold or manure. But a strong awareness is key to discern the two, which you're clearly having trouble.

What she wants to say is simple : when you are being yourself - even if it leads to non-conformity -, you are being coherent with who you really are, your "inner self", you are "united with yourself".

But I could argue that whatever one does, it is always in conformity to the circumstances of the present environment. The environment contains everything : the universe, the galaxy, the planet, you and me, and also the chemistry in your brain. If the chemistry in your brain pushes you to act like this or like that, then you are in conformity with the universe at that precise instant. Which is to say that every act is always as it should be, and that non-conformity is a false concept which doesn't have a real existence.

You spoke of warm and cold : coldness, just like non-conformity, doesn't really exist, but is in reality a lack of warmth, a lack of electronic activity. Even at 0 Celsius degrees, there is still warmth, there is still electronic activity.

a reply to: Ladybug201

Real Unity does not exist in non-conformity. Real Unity exists in accepting that you contain all aspects and all facets of creation within yourself. Balancing both the thesis with the antithesis but not denying one or the other or both.

a reply to: namelesss

Seed in fruitful soil will germinate and the flower starts to grow, that is a proven fact.
Beliefs are derived from ideas, based on theory, therefore, facts are not beliefs, beliefs are not factual.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: namelesss
Seed in fruitful soil will germinate and the flower starts to grow, that is a proven fact.

If that were a proven fact, it would happen 100% of the time.
It does not happen 100% of the time for all seeds, so it is NOT a 'fact' that any particular seed will germinate!
It is a theory, tentative, 'probable'.
'Proof', 'for you', is whatever YOU accept, whatever you 'believe'.

"Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true." - Demosthenes

Beliefs are derived from ideas,

'Beliefs' ARE ideas/concepts, imagination!

based on theory,

Humans do not rationally, logically 'choose' to 'believe' something!
'Belief' is different that an intellectual tentative acceptance of something.
'Belief' lacks that healthy 'tentativeness' and passes straight to 'this is Truth!' (and that is not!)!
That is insanity! Schizophrenia!
We are NOT a rational species (had you not yet noticed)!

therefore, facts are not beliefs, beliefs are not factual.

A 'fact' is a 'fact' "to you" when you 'believe' it!
When it is tentatively accepted, it is not considered a 'fact', but a theory, theories are always tentative!
So, yeah, 'facts' are also 'beliefs', and 'beliefs' are certainly 'facts' *to the 'believer'*!

a reply to: namelesss

Well, that why i wrote 'fruitful soil'.

Sir, why should i believe? on whose authority? based on what?
Oh yes, i do have ideas about certain things, but that is not a belief, it is pondering about, but without answers the only logical thing to say is 'i don't know'.

Yes i've seen a lot of irrational behaviour, however that does not mean we are not a rational species, that is your belief.

A fact is a fact to me because i can see it, like the seeds i've planted in my garden and out of which flowers grew, or small trees that will one day become a giant if they are not removed.

The world's a big place. No matter how much you try to not conform...You'll be in step with someone, somewhere

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: namelesss

Well, that why i wrote 'fruitful soil'.

The 'fruitful soil' is irrelevant, for instance, if the seed is dead.

Sir, why should i believe? on whose authority? based on what?

I never recommend 'belief' in anything, if we had any choice in the matter.
I was pointing out that what you refer to as 'facts' can also be defined as 'beliefs', and are no different!

Yes i've seen a lot of irrational behaviour, however that does not mean we are not a rational species, that is your belief.

No, that is not a 'belief', it is an observation, and self-Knowledge!

A fact is a fact to me because i can see it, like the seeds i've planted in my garden and out of which flowers grew, or small trees that will one day become a giant if they are not removed.

That is exactly as it is, a 'fact' is whatever YOU are subjectively willing to accept/believe!
But beyond your imagination, that 'fact' dies!
Your senses perceive Reality as it is? Your perceptions are never not the way things 'Really' are?
What you perceive as a solid rock, fact, ultimately is no more than not only subatomic particles, but not even that 'solid', but they, like everything else, is 'information waves', a 'program' that our monitors reflect as our 'Reality'!
Reality is never, ultimately, as we perceive it!
Our senses, in that sense, ALWAYS lie! (IF you believe them!)
To call it 'fact' is merely a support system for an insecure ego.
It is always more 'weighty' to call something a 'fact' rather than a 'belief'!
It takes 'responsibility' off our soft shoulders, psychologically!

a reply to: namelesss

Do you eat?
Because if you want food, you have to grow food!

You can of course be an intellectual and talk about subatomic particles, to me, this kind of crap is meaningless.

Non-conformity is not unity. Non-conformity is a means by which the King keeps everyone separate and conflicting with each other to ensure unity does not take place and he is tossed out into the pig slop.