Go on America, vote this clown in....I double dare ya.

Hmm, I may have been overstating the amount of hard data on his numbers. Regardless, look here for details.

@crazyewok

I am actually Australian, by the way. Not that the statement you made does not also apply to our federal government, the rather incredibly useless thing that it is. Well, it's probably a bit better than the American one. A bit. But I'd kill to have Bernie made our prime minister all the same.

What do you mean with that? In how they overpay politicians, in all the red tape... What is it?

If Rand's method of killing the beast aren't decreasing military and NSA overspending and is instead something like further deregulating large businesses and reducing social security programs, all I can do is sigh once again.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn

If Rand's method of killing the beast aren't decreasing military and NSA overspending and is instead something like further deregulating large businesses and reducing social security programs, all I can do is sigh once again.

He pretty much wants to do both to some extent. Though with social programns its more decentralisation to state levels relly.

Let the states fund and pay for what they want/need. Which I have to agree with decentralisation likley the best way to go about it. Let the local communites decide.

a reply to: CaticusMaximus

The problem is, Americas "business" quite often affects us all globally. Who you have sitting in the White House at any given moment could spell disaster for everyone.

You (not you personally) made it our business.

originally posted by: jtrenthacker

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Really America,? are you seriously considering this guy as a potential world leader.?

Well, some how Obama got voted in, so it wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, you have to love the gall and completely vapid, inane, unconsciousness of Obama voters insulting ANYBODY else on the planet.

It will really help to have a president with real world experience beyond ice cream scooper, community agitator, and election cheater / nonstop liar.

a reply to: stevieray

Wait, are you talking about Trump, Hillary, Jeb, or Dr. Carson...? I honestly can't tell. Maybe Paul Ryan? (Well, he's not a presidential candidate.)

Wait, what was that I hear whispering on the breeze? "Every politician aside from the exceptional few" you say? I see.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: jtrenthacker

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Really America,? are you seriously considering this guy as a potential world leader.?

Well, some how Obama got voted in, so it wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, you have to love the gall and completely vapid, inane, unconsciousness of Obama voters insulting ANYBODY else on the planet.

It will really help to have a president with real world experience beyond ice cream scooper, community agitator, and election cheater / nonstop liar.

O look another member of the species homoidicuspoliticas who thinks anyone who has opinion diffrnet from them must by default be a Obama suppoter

Every time I come onto ATS, I see more and more threads that reinforce my position that this website has become a haven for liberal & socialist ideology and any dissension is met with multiple attacks from other members.

Either that or this website is a huge CIA op.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: jtrenthacker

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Really America,? are you seriously considering this guy as a potential world leader.?

Well, some how Obama got voted in, so it wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, you have to love the gall and completely vapid, inane, unconsciousness of Obama voters insulting ANYBODY else on the planet.

It will really help to have a president with real world experience beyond ice cream scooper, community agitator, and election cheater / nonstop liar.

O look another member of the species homoidicuspoliticas who thinks anyone who has opinion diffrnet from them must by default be a Obama suppoter

Well just tell us you're not, and I guess your posting history will tell us whether or not that's credible.

I just tend to find that the more angry and spastic a poster is about the GOP field, the likelihood of them being Obama / Hillary fans goes way up.

You don't get to that level of crazy unless the target of your bile is a direct threat to your beliefs / core. Seems like you hate anything but growing govt and handouts, if you hate all the candidates whose focus isn't that.

I happen to have a similar take on Obama and Hillary, because I believe that they hate and want to dismantle the greatest, safest, freest, most successful country ever created. That's enough for me to despise them.

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
Every time I come onto ATS, I see more and more threads that reinforce my position that this website has become a haven for liberal & socialist ideology and any dissension is met with multiple attacks from other members.

Either that or this website is a huge CIA op.

You got it, but that's also the internet in general.

It's flooded with kids who just learned their first morsels of politics from liberal HS teachers or college professors.

And people who don't have jobs who are naturally the big socialism / communism propagandists. It's funny, I've followed several of these boards for a while now. Eventually all of the big socialism fans let it slip that they are or were on the dole, a lot of them admitting that it's a family thing, inter-generational. It's just amusing, a whole wave of the "ambition-challenged" fighting the internet fight to stay free of a job. Just like Marx; he wrote their bible all while being a professional bum, honing his skills at avoiding work and a bath.

That just makes me laugh, it's like a cartoon, people on the dole flooding the internet advocating socialism, so that they themselves can get more stuff out of working people.

originally posted by: stevieray
I believe that they hate and want to dismantle the greatest, safest, freest, most successful country ever created. That's enough for me to despise them.

*pauses for breath*



You beleive that bull #?

America "LAND OF THE FREE"

So free it had to have a civil war to abolish slavery

Bet you got a little flag to wave and everything

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray
I believe that they hate and want to dismantle the greatest, safest, freest, most successful country ever created. That's enough for me to despise them.

*pauses for breath*

You beleive that bull #?

America "LAND OF THE FREE"

So free it had to have a civil war to abolish slavery

Bet you got a little flag to wave and everything

I can't even make sense of this. What are you trying to say ?

Yeah, Obama has spent enough time with avowed America haters like Ayers, Dorn, Wright, Cloward & Piven, Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, and half his family.....that his disdain for America pre-King Barry I....is well established. You know, the announcement of the "transformation" thing many, many times and all that.

Hillary likewise. Her love of racist abortionist Sanger, America hating Alinsky, and other luminaries...is well documented.

It pays to have actual background info to go with the rambling.

a reply to: stevieray
And yes, we did fight wars to abolish the variations of slavery put on us by England, as well as the failure of human nature, domestic-economic slavery.

I'd say America has done quite nicely on that. Better than the rest of the earth.

a reply to: stevieray

I dont evne know what your rambling about?

Yeah we get it Hillary and Obama are bad. So were the last 4 preisdents in my life time.

Regan stuck the MIC into overdrive. Clinton sold your country out to China with cheap labour, Bush stuck the NSA into overdrive and ripped through your freedoms life a knife through butter while tanking your economy and Obama has thrown a bucn of half baked solicits schemes at the wall to see if they would stick and just cocked it up more while makeing your country look like spineless pussies in Syria.

And Clinton II or Bush III or the great messiah trump will carry on doing exactly the same. And Bernie will just cock the the whole thing up and bankrupt your country.

But hey you carry on thinking only one sides to blame in all this and wave your little flag and pretend the USA is still the freeesest greatest nation on earth while your next president carrys on burning it to the ground

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: stevieray
And yes, we did fight wars to abolish the variations of slavery put on us by England, as well as the failure of human nature, domestic-economic slavery.

I'd say America has done quite nicely on that. Better than the rest of the earth.

Blame England......

Yeah ok.....


What happend to personal resposnsiblity eh? In my opinion we both share equal guilt in that.

And seeing as we abloshed slavery in 1833 we did better than the USA. So no no you didnt do better than the rest of the earth.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Nope just smoke from burning dollar bills and the credibility of the US political system.

Oh, that's even better. He definitely has my vote now.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: stevieray
And yes, we did fight wars to abolish the variations of slavery put on us by England, as well as the failure of human nature, domestic-economic slavery.

I'd say America has done quite nicely on that. Better than the rest of the earth.

Blame England......

Yeah ok.....


What happend to personal resposnsiblity eh? In my opinion we both share equal guilt in that.

And seeing as we abloshed slavery in 1833 we did better than the USA. So no no you didnt do better than the rest of the earth.

Blame England for what ? The absolute, 100 % documented abuse and control of the American colonies ? Um, OK, think I will ! Not sure about shared responsibility....how would this actually be explained ?

Well, I guess you beat America by about 20 years, after existing for a thousand. Good job....I guess. Yes, a few nice euro experiments did form the basis of the American constitution. That much is true. I'm glad that we were founded on such good principles, and didn't exist for a millennium without them. And hopefully you can avoid sharia into the future. I believe that we will.

originally posted by: stevieray
Derp derp derp derp

Yeah ok you believe all that.

Heres a flag for you to make you happy



*farts the Americans National anthem*

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: stevieray

I dont evne know what your rambling about?

Yeah we get it Hillary and Obama are bad. So were the last 4 preisdents in my life time.

Regan stuck the MIC into overdrive. Clinton sold your country out to China with cheap labour, Bush stuck the NSA into overdrive and ripped through your freedoms life a knife through butter while tanking your economy and Obama has thrown a bucn of half baked solicits schemes at the wall to see if they would stick and just cocked it up more while makeing your country look like spineless pussies in Syria.

And Clinton II or Bush III or the great messiah trump will carry on doing exactly the same. And Bernie will just cock the the whole thing up and bankrupt your country.

But hey you carry on thinking only one sides to blame in all this and wave your little flag and pretend the USA is still the freeesest greatest nation on earth while your next president carrys on burning it to the ground

Good thing you guys don't have any problems. May want to study that France disaster very closely. And I say that with sincerity, hope you can get ahead of all that and be OK.

I don't know if you are or aren't one of the people who dismiss all reports of UK problems with Islamic invasion.....as lies. Either way, I wish you well.

In case you're interested, Trump, Carson, and Cruz are just about as good an antithesis to the distorted crony government that you bemoan......as can be imagined. Somebody with your complaints should be glad to see a somewhat different candidate arise, for a change.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray
Derp derp derp derp

Yeah ok you believe all that.

Heres a flag for you to make you happy

*farts the Americans National anthem*

You seem sort of angry. Sometimes this cheapens one's claims. Don't blame us for creating the greatest economic, medical, technology, and social engine ever. It kinda sorta helped you guys back there in the 1910's & 1940's. And I'm afraid will need to help you again in 5-10 years.

originally posted by: stevieray


Good thing you guys don't have any problems

O we have plenty of problems dont you worry. Its just not the topic of this thread.

originally posted by: stevieray
. May want to study that France disaster very closely. And I say that with sincerity, hope you can get ahead of all that and be OK.

I know education is obviously not a strong point for you. But France and the UK are two SEPERATE and DIFFRENT countrys.

originally posted by: stevieray
I don't know if you are or aren't one of the people who dismiss all reports of UK problems with Islamic invasion.....as lies. Either way, I wish you well.

Yes the scary muslims are going to get us.

Your more likley to die falling out of bed.

originally posted by: stevieray
In case you're interested, Trump, Carson, and Cruz are just about as good an antithesis to the distorted crony government that you bemoan......as can be imagined. Somebody with your complaints should be glad to see a somewhat different candidate arise, for a change.

O god you really buy that?

Yeah Crason and Cruz MAYBE. I prefer Rand Paul though less realigious loony about him. But Trump?
He been tied to the Clintons and the Democrats for YEARS! Dont you think it a just a tad odd he has suddenly become a Republican and saying all the things you want to hear? Plus look at his history he has been knee deep in cronyism.