Attacks in Paris a preclude of things to come in the U.S.

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

Um, there's a great big ocean separating us from Europe. If anything, places like London are next. If IS ever tried to bring the war to us, it would be the end of them almost instantaneously--and I'm pretty sure they already know this. Which is why they're focusing on attacking our allies. The only way they could possibly win against us would be to fight a long and drawn out war on their own soil--like the crusades. But even then, they're going to lose when we get tired of the b.s. and decide to nuke them. Anyway, as for America, not only do we have plenty of defenses, our people are armed. And do you think that gangs and the cartel would be a-ok with these terrorists telling them what to do? I think not. America is not France. French people typically do not act out violently--had this been in America, we would have mobbed those terrorists by sheer force of numbers and they would have been pummeled or crushed to death and/or suffocated by all of the people clambering to rip their eyes out. Notice how on that subway almost-attack in France, it took the Americans to stop the gunman? The French people wouldn't have tried to stop him. Had the Americans not been there, it would have been curtains for them. Now, I'm part French--and I like them and all, but they're not exactly go-getters when it comes to kicking grass and taking names.

But I digress. What does what happened have anything to do with what you're saying? A lot of people died yesterday. And it's horrible. Whatever predictions anyone has are basically worthless.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Azureblue

I've heard Kalashnakovs (hope I spelt that right) were used. This ties Russia to these events just iike suspecions of a Russian made BUK missile being used to down MA17 tied Russia to the dowing of MA17.

Those are a very popular weapon and are widely available all over the world. If someone had used a Smith &
Wesson, would you think the U.S. was behind it?

As per my example, it worked re MA17. There were strong inferences from the western leaders and media that Russia was behind MA17 because of the reasons explained. Little things can mean a lot. Perception if truth.

I did not read any of the sorts of coments you have made in any ATS post (accept my own) at the time when everybody was blaming Russia for MA17.

originally posted by: IlTuoFratello

Within the U.S. it is not a matter of stopping it anymore, but a question of when, how large, how promptly can we respond and what can we do to mitigate deaths?

You were never stopping an attack from happening if extremists were so inclined.

Another attack will happen.... Regardless of what you do....... You can bank on it.

I have argued that anti-gun laws and ammo control have left U.S. citizens weak and as (a) sitting duck(s). Instead of uniting around our civil self-defensible rights, we are divided and having them removed.

There are millions of guns floating around the U.S. In the event you haven't noticed, it's relatively easy to acquire a firearm in America. Now how exactly has your ability to purchase a firearm been curbed? And who has knocked on your door with the purpose of confiscating your weapons and ammunition?

I believe that Americans must understand that putting a wall at our Borders, both borders, is in our best interest not only in the short term, but in the long term.

We're not BCE China. This idea is dumb...... Just dumb. It's the answer of someone who has no viable answer.

The politically correct speech and normality of lingual reference in regards to these attacks is the adjective "terror". Though these attacks are indeed terroristic and do instill terrorism, these attacks are religious in their nature. Every. Single. One. Of. Them. This is, more accurately, religious terrorism, and even more precisely, Islamic terrorism.

The critique of these attacks are, unfortunately, more complex than this. There are most certainly geo-political motivations within the mindsets of these acts of violence. Ignoring these aspects will continue to foster an environment conducive to violent extremism, religious or otherwise.

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

...Attacks in Paris a preclude Prelude ...of things to come in the U.S....

the whole premise is like a block of swiss-cheese...

prem·ise.
1. logic

a previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or follows as a conclusion:

as opposed to:

pre·clude.

VERB
1. prevent from happening; make impossible

prel·ude.
NOUN

1. an action or event serving as an introduction to something more important:

This is perhaps rather flippant and overly simplified- it is just the thought I had in reaction to all the american reactions I am seeing here and on social media like Facebook...

But I am sitting here wondering how good a thing it is that we have such easy access to information around the world now?

Americans who actually think this is going to happen in their own country,
or who imagine there is any correlation between what they have experienced in the last few years,
are coming up with fears and conclusions based upon mistaken perceptions.

Unecessary panic. Like Feminists living in a country in which women currently have more rights than men, fighting for women's rights there, because "women in other cultures don't have as much rights as men".

It just seems really nonconstructive. I admire those who are able to observe, analyze, and keep their head on, remembering that there are many factors involved in what events happen, and "over there" is not "over here".

a reply to: eluryh22

On of the extras of going to Virginia Beach during the summer....

I ask a cashier there, "how can you stand fighters flying overhead constantly?" She said that she doesn't even hear them. Wow.

originally posted by: Willtell Rome burns and Obama fiddles We warned him Or Paris burns and Obama plays golf. A president with no vision or perspective doesn't know when to call out the heavy weight material when REAL EVIL comes forth What does Obama do?
Trains 5 Syrian fighters and sends 50 special forces to fight ISIS!

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Being the Pres is a big job. You have your advisers, and your outfitters, and your intel and i can imagine the stress of running a country is quite high seeing as every decision, every choice that is made is like a multiple choice quiz. They hand a sheet to the guy in power along with a pencil and tell him to fill out the Y for yes or N for no serve' while being coached on which little round dot to X or check.

Must be the hardest job on the planet.

originally posted by: IlTuoFratello
Good evening ATS, From America.

Approximately 2 years ago I predicted that the type of attack that we saw carried out today in Paris would eventually occur in the U.S. and around the world. Turns out that I was, sadly, correct again.

Within the U.S. it is not a matter of stopping it anymore, but a question of when, how large, how promptly can we respond and what can we do to mitigate deaths?

I have argued that anti-gun laws and ammo control have left U.S. citizens weak and as (a) sitting duck(s). Instead of uniting around our civil self-defensible rights, we are divided and having them removed.

I would put forth the idea that private security within state, county, city and local municipalities, assisted by funding from the federal government, is the best way to bolster our national defense. I believe that putting more money into our businesses for hiring private security is the way to go, and to begin slightly downsizing our police force while having instead emergency response teams for situations like this. We must also allow our citizens to arm themselves, both concealed and unconcealed. In fact, I believe that a heavy pro-gun movement based on the good of the nation and the defense of our citizens in response to an attack like this, would be in the best interest of all of us here in America. This is not only economically feasible, but would save us money by downsizing police forces and funneling money into our businesses.

When the attacks happen here, how long will it take a police force to respond? Will it echo and mirror the events that have recently unfolded in Paris? Seemingly no citizens had any fire-arm self-defense. No security could, would, nor did seem to put a stop to it. By the time the police finally arrived and were able to even enter the facility(s), it appears that the gunmen had already emptied all of their ammo out of their Kalashnikov nozzles and onto the defenseless innocents resulting in mass casualties that a faster response may have been able to halt.

Building a wall

I believe that Americans must understand that putting a wall at our Borders, both borders, is in our best interest not only in the short term, but in the long term. It will not solve the problems that we already face, such as those who are already here. If it can happen in Paris, then no doubt it can and will happen in the U.S. They are already here. This is not only good for our country's security, but for the security of the countries that border us. A wall will protect, with a higher degree of measure, both sides from future illegal and unaccounted for entry at our landlocked borders.

Mending Political Divide

I believe that it is important for Americans to remember that we have freedom of speech, through which we often disagree, argue and verbally joust, but that in a time of vital threat from foreign entities, agents, persons, groups and/or countries, that we put our differences aside and protect our lives, our families, our country and our livelihood together.

The Media's Incompetent Assessment of the Paris Attacks

You will hear military officials and government officials, along with political pundits and news anchors spouting off at how this is such a well orchestrated and sophisticated attack. This is a completely false analysis. The sheer simplicity of these attacks is what is in fact one element that makes them so dangerous and so difficult to stop. A few willing men with a couple fire-arms and explosives is all that it takes. Nothing more than a couple days of actual planning and staying off the radar.

These Are Religious Attacks

The politically correct speech and normality of lingual reference in regards to these attacks is the adjective "terror". Though these attacks are indeed terroristic and do instill terrorism, these attacks are religious in their nature. Every. Single. One. Of. Them. This is, more accurately, religious terrorism, and even more precisely, Islamic terrorism.

Please, your thoughts, your ideas, your insights, your critiques?

Perhaps you might like to consider these issues in seeking an explanation for the attacks?

Perhaps we need to take into other factors also to put some perspective on that. Perhaps these points will assist in this regard

What do refugees have to gain from making themselves unwelcome with acts of violence committed against the host country.

Where do refugees in France obtain automatic weapons and bombs from?

Where would the French people themselves get them from?

Europe is being overrun with refugees which brings focus to political parties like Marine Le Pen’s National Front Party and Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party, These are anti-EU political parties and they are also anti-immigrant parties.

Recent French polling shows Marine Le Penis party is rising in popularity with French presidential elections looming.

European countries may not want their countries to be a Noah’s Arc for refugees from Washington’s wars in their backyard.

Perhaps the French establishment made a decision to try to protect its position in the polls with a false flag attack that would allow the govt to 'take stong action' and close France’s borders and, take away Marine Le Pen political rise in the polls.

Considering the western world’s long tradition of false flags, the “terrorist attacks” in Paris can not be ruled out as an attempt to arrest the slide in the popularity of the compliant French goverment and keep it proped up and has something to use at presidential election time.

originally posted by: IlTuoFratello

You will hear military officials and government officials, along with political pundits and news anchors spouting off at how this is such a well orchestrated and sophisticated attack. This is a completely false analysis. The sheer simplicity of these attacks is what is in fact one element that makes them so dangerous and so difficult to stop. A few willing men with a couple fire-arms and explosives is all that it takes. Nothing more than a couple days of actual planning and staying off the radar.

This is true, the west should have had a chipping program by now not that it would be a guarantee. Laws against firearms don't work, plenty of illegal ways to obtain firearms.

It's only a matter of time until the next big attack, some other EU countries don't even have heavily armed security forces walking around like France has.

If that type of attack occurs on US soil, no amount of walls or armed civilians will prevent numerous casualties. Sure, Joe Bloggs might get his gun out and shoot the assailants, but not before the civilian casualty count is far too high.

a reply to: johnnyjoe1979

This is true, the west should have had a chipping program by now not that it would be a guarantee. Laws against firearms don't work, plenty of illegal ways to obtain firearms. It's only a matter of time until the next big attack, some other EU countries don't even have heavily armed security forces walking around like France has.

You get chipped, give up all your freedoms, I'll take my chances

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
What did France have to do with Syria?

No they just picked a soft target.

Arm your self and fight back

French Warplanes attack IS

Why would isis attack the hand that feeds them ?

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Why would isis attack the hand that feeds them ?

A wild animal will always be wild no matter how much you try to tame it

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: sirlancelot

Obama moved too many troops out of Iraq? It was Bush who moved those troops out in a signed agreement between the U.S. and Iraq. Obama takes credit for it but he had nothing to do with it. We also have worlds biggest embassy in Bagdhad and constant air/drone strikes. The U.S. military industrial complex is strong in Iraq, all over the Middle East.

The U.S. should have nothing to do with Syria.

Give me a break Bush's forces agreement which called for withdrawl of troops by 2011 could and should have been modified by Obama as the environment in Iraq changed. The truth is Obama didn't listen to his military advisors, for political reasons he withdrew from negotiations with Malaki, and he added to the vacuum to which ISIS has proliferated. Regarding Syria your right but why in the hell are we not arming the Kurds, or Jordan? Makes no sense!

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originally posted by: woogleuk
If that type of attack occurs on US soil, no amount of walls or armed civilians will prevent numerous casualties. Sure, Joe Bloggs might get his gun out and shoot the assailants, but not before the civilian casualty count is far too high.

That is why we must keep as many of those violent muslim, terrorist refugees out as possible.

a reply to: sirlancelot

Give you a break? Those are cold hard facts. Finally, in 2011, since 2003, we pulled our troops and it was Bush who set those wheels into motion. Guess what, most of America wanted the military out of Iraq but of course military advisers will always say MORE WAR!!! Had we never invaded Iraq events today would be much different.

Stop blaming Obama and start blaming everyone else in DC who continues to push for more war in the Middle East. Way to fall under their spell....

Highly doubt it wold be anything like paris in multiple stages and most European cities haven't even been attacked. If it does happen it will be a single attacks or mini ones here and there. There is a reason why the big attacks have been concentrated in Paris and the middle east. Think ISIS would need to rely on strays here in America and it won't be half as organized as it was/is in France. If ISIS had the ability they would have already attacked other places but they haven't. Think there has been radicals in France for a longtime now and they're using those cells but in the states not so much a and security here is a lot more intense then we've been led to believe.

originally posted by: Discotech

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Why would isis attack the hand that feeds them ?

A wild animal will always be wild no matter how much you try to tame it

True but even the Joker needed resources to put it off. Terrorism isn't cheap and they need someone to pay for it.

originally posted by: SPECULUM

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: SPECULUM
Its all going to come down to violating the Constitution to rid ourselves of a Cancerous religion that breeds terrorists.

Deportation and imprisonment IE: The Crusades. Its going to become a global witch hunt on Islam. And if any of this happens here in the US? You had better not be Muslim, because all the law in the land isn't going to stop the "Serious Americans" from removing the threat.

Regardless of who created what, and under what religion, or for what reason. Islam is a prehistoric 3rd world following that doesn't have the means to defend itself from 200,000,000 pissed off Armed Patriots, and the billions across the globe that's tired of you and your silly BS antics

This is truly a sad day. Not only have people been killed by terrorists for no good reason, it appears we are going to begin the next holocaust at the same time.

This may very well become one of the worst stains on our history as a species.

Its the only way to end the ignorance. I see no other way.. you cannot negotiate with suicide bombers, and fanatics

WTF is wrong with you?!
By advocating a holocaust or genocide, you are OPENLY ADMITTING to supporting terrorist tactics.

Nothing good comes of mass extermination. Nothing good. WTF.