Mizzou Demonstrators Segregate White Allies to Form ‘Black Only Healing Space’

a reply to: angeldoll

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Now your ignorance has become fully manifest. Are you SERIOUSLY comparing the student protests about the Vietnam war to these "sit in the park" "safe space" "protests" that all comes from a confirmed liar saying he was called the N word off campus by non students? A war the american people DID NOT want and which had nothing to do with the national security of the USA? My father was a Vietnam Vet and my mother was a protesting Hippy. You clearly have shown you don't understand the atmosphere of the period. This is not even remotely close.

You have just crossed the line to pathetic.

Edited for correction, accidentally put civil war.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: angeldoll

Yes...I would rather live with people who shared my morals, values and beliefs. There are probably some black people in that group also. Work hard, father my children, support my family, don't do drugs, have morals, don't commit crimes, etc.

If this is your criteria, you will most likely have to start with throwing out family first, and some of that family may be living under your same roof.

The only thing that setting up States sized ghettos will do, is make a lot of big frogs in little ponds, work together with other big frogs in little ponds, to keep the smaller frogs from ever getting out of their ponds and to make sure they stay small in size and numbers.

The ideal utopia you and others think is going to pop up when you remove all people that don't look like you or think like you, may not turn out to be the paradise you were hoping for.

Few will consider it a paradise living in place were everyone is a clone of themselves. In the end they will end up hating everyone, including themselves. There is very good reason that Baskin-Robbins became so popular. Even the man that can afford steak at every meal eats from a diverse menu.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: angeldoll

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Now your ignorance has become fully manifest. Are you SERIOUSLY comparing the student protests about the civil war to these "sit in the park" "safe space" "protests" that all comes from a confirmed liar saying he was called the N word off campus by non students?

You have just crossed the line to pathetic.

Thank you. It's a pleasure to see you also, even though nothing you said makes sense. I don't believe there were hippies in the civil war, for one thing.

but yes. I am indeed absolutely serious.

a reply to: angeldoll

Surely you see the logical fallacy in that statement? Surely you do???

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: angeldoll
Don't do this. If they feel they need private space and personal time, it's nobody's business but their own.
Let them have it in peace.

If whites want private space is that ok?

I think I read that only 8% of this university is black. This means it's rare to have even one or two black students in a class. It's essentially a white school.

All the more reason to invite those students in. If the complaint is based on a lack of sympathy toward black lives, then denying access to the people that need to hear your story the most defies logic.

Another problem with segregation is that group polarization creates radicals, and in cases like this it's often the most victimizing voice that is heard the loudest. When that voice begins to promote the idea that any group is so inherently flawed that they are incapable of feeling safe around them, that also promotes radicalization. The psychological need for safety is so important that recklessly promoting these ideas can easily become problematic. Solidarity and inclusiveness is a much more effective tool for healing, just ask MLK.

I've read your other comments, and comments around social media and it's really bizarre to see you calling people who ask the question "why can't we be included" hateful racists. A hateful racist doesn't want to be included with the group they hate.

I guess I going to have to apologize for not seeing POC as a monolithic hive mind of infallibility, but a flawed approach needs to be criticized regardless of who holds it.

a reply to: angeldoll

Such gatherings do take place, but, the ones that are closed off to everybody and anybody else are usually for a cede mic related reasons. Even if they sre just social most times others are free to join in that public place. Especially on a public campus that those students all paid to have access to. For a large group to just take over a main section of the (public) campus and declare that only people of a certain "racial" background can join, while blocking or limiting access to that area (are again that all of those students have paid for) I'd just silly and a violation of the other students rights. There's no reason they couldn't have found a more private area in which to "heal." The fact that they chose the middle of the campus tells one that they don't care about solidarity or peace and love, they just want to inconvenience everyone. Also, by choosing a public place, they set themselves up to be "journalized" Again, if they wanted privacy they should have gone to a private dwelling, of which I'm sure their leaders could have easily provided.

a reply to: mahatche

So, you would silence them based on their race?

Apologies, I didn't mean that as a reply to you mahatche. Actually, I can't remember who the reply was for. Sorriesz.

It's interesting to note that right after "Black Lives Matter" someone made a thread about this same issue, but the point was the group should be allowed to have only black members if that's what they wanted. Everybody on the thread supported the idea that it was just and fair to allow only blacks to participate. (The exact opposite of what I see on this thread.) Anyway.

I remember making the comment on that thread "Well I hope they won't exclude white people from this movement altogether, because they are going to need our help".

Of course my comment was born from a mindset that is entirely different from what's happening in this thread.

The pendulum swings both ways.

originally posted by: angeldoll


The slippery slope, if there is one in this situation, is having a university professor call a student the n-word and not facing any repercussions over it.

I think you have no idea whatsoever what happened at Missouri.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

How is being more biologically successful (having more kids) equate to racism?

I understand what you are saying and I am not trying to attack you, but being biologically successful is exactly what causes racism. Anytime you have a group that is significantly larger than another, the smaller group is either absorbed and or destroyed.

In a lot of cases, there develops a tiny cavity were those that were not killed or adequately absorbed are housed. Sometimes it becomes a benign cyst, which is not noticed or ignored. This cyst will almost always become larger, with time, and will start to encroach on the neighboring tissues. While the cyst may continue to remain benign, it may cut off the blood supply to the surrounding tissues, causing alterations, impaired function or death, to the surrounding tissues; or it may cause an infection that if not addressed, may cause the entire body to become septic and die.

The fertility rate and number of live births have dwindled all over the world in societies and communities were the people are wealthy, and among the working poor. Children are not an asset when you are living large, or if you are struggling to keep your head above water. So that leaves the continuation of humankind on this planet, to those that breed for survival.

You don't have to search very hard with Google, or even here on ATS, to hear people's ideas and concerns on this matter. But as far as the perpetuation of racism is concerned, in the end it won't really matter. We will all eventually be bleed out or pulled in; and then it will be the battle between the brown eyes and the blue eyes.

As I said before, it won't matter. By then we won't even have history books to warn the future generations of how we royally screwed up. Each tiny enclave will have their grand storyteller, passing down the myths and the lies that will convince each group that they are the right, the noble, the courageous ones, that were destroyed because they are the chosen ones, have kept true to god's word, and are alive because they have followed "religiously" the word of god's henchmen. Sorry, I meant prophets.

Some people have been asking for a rewind on our planet. I think one is definitely in our future. To bad we won't have a learned a damn thing in the destruction, and will start again with sticks and stones.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: angeldoll


The slippery slope, if there is one in this situation, is having a university professor call a student the n-word and not facing any repercussions over it.

I think you have no idea whatsoever what happened at Missouri.

If you don't have any pertinent comments, it's always easy to take a cheap shot on another member, yes?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: mahatche

So, you would silence them based on their race?

..............seriously?

You see me saying that people need to hear their story, and solidarity is a more effective way of healing, and you get that I want them silenced based on their race?

.............seriously?

I think it was perfectly pertinent. It seems you think a professor called a student the N word?

a reply to: angeldoll

a reply to: angeldoll

No cheap shot at all. Your claim is that the lesson learned here is that the university president in Missouri said the n word and didn't get punished for it.

What really happened was two drunk yelled the n word, the school changed it policy to make mandatory diversity training necessary, the activists said this wasn't enough, issued a list of crazy demands, and the president was forced to resign.

So the president never said the n word, and he was punished.

You the said:

In my vast work experience, I've seen people get 'railroaded". It's a sorry thing to behold. A group of willing people can actually make a lie become the truth. If you say the lie long enough, if you join together and chant it, a lie can actually become the perceived truth.

It's a scary thing to watch happen. Like the old witch hunts of Salem. Wow.

This is exactly what is happening! People are claiming at schools all over the country that perceived microaggressions should lead to people getting fired or expelled. In Missouri, the witchunt was to get rid of the president because he didn't do enough when a drunk yelled the n word, and you are right it was scary.

This is why I said I didn't think you knew what happened at Missouri. Not as an insult but just because your posts seemed to suggest you didn't know the story. I hope you will read up on what actually happened.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Indigo5



I have this feeling there is a small group who won't be happy until every Black person has experienced racism similar to what their grandparents or older generations experienced once upon a time in America.

Ahh...what to do with those "small groups"?

Of course you are right that there are small groups on both sides that are extreme racists. It is up to the rest of us to call these people out no matter what side they are on. Luckily, I honestly believe those are small groups.

Good to acknowledge that racism exists...

The problem I have is what the mainstream is now deciding. Academia in general has made the idea of "white privilege" and "patriarchy" a mainstream view for many on campus.

Not sure if you have been following this story?

Media has certainly exploited it...and to the protestors credit they have been trying to avoid media coverage for that reason. Ironically there is even another thread here on ATS attacking them for not embracing the media coverage.

That said...What began these protests?

A climate of racial tension...Slurs and harassment of black students on campus..

A social media campaign of incredibly racist posts toward the Black Students culminating with one white student tweeting..

"I'm going to stand my ground tomorrow and shoot every black person I see."

"Some of you are alright. Don't go to campus tomorrow," another post read. “We’re waiting for you at the parking lots,” read a third post. “We will kill you.”

news.yahoo.com...

And other students on social media piped in like "LOL, it would awesome if it were true. Enough is enough. This time we won't give in."
twitter.com...

Seriously...Look at this kids tweets..
twitter.com...

Also..
A feces smeared swastika in the residence hall..

A similar incident had occurred in April, but with ashes, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.

www.cnn.com...

It's an ongoing thing there at the university of Missouri...

2010 -- Two white students scatter cotton balls outside the campus Black Culture Center.

www.cnn.com...


I think dismissing it as a media created event is at best a less than informed position to take from someone not living it...and at worst, yes, "racist".

I assume the best of you until proven otherwise.

I sit back and watch events like this happen and I feel like I'm surrounded by children throwing tantrums. Racism, sexism, (insert your own word here)phobia... the list goes on. People at each others throats. Most of what drives this mess is people who are childish, have an entitlement mentality, are guilt-ridden, ignorant and/or have an unrealistic belief in a kumbaya utopia.

I saw somewhere in the thread that black people just want to integrate into society. I'm not seeing the effort from my own perspective. On the flip side, I'm all for letting people have their own space, but they must have it on their own terms and accept responsibility for their own actions and the end result; own it (for once).

Too many people being 'offended'. Too many people crying wolf. You don't hear from the majority of people sitting on the sidelines, watching all of this happening and having an already raw nerve tweaked with every new incident.

It's not just racism, it's every "ism". Every "phobia". People aren't rooted in reality anymore, but a fantasy land where everyone is entitled and racism has a one-way valve. Kinda reminds me of that children's phrase, "I know you are, but what am I?"... or... "Mommy, he got one and I didn't! No fair!". If you stop and look at it, you see it for what it is, children being children and refusing to take personal responsibility.

It's about time for the children to be spanked by the adults. I don't see this ending well.