Ape man sightings in the U.K (Bigfoot vs Big cat)

Caroline Toms, 34 of Little Hampton was walking her dog in Angmering Park Estate in Arundel, West Susex when she allegedly encountered and managed to photograph a image of a huge ape like creature.

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My mind runs straight to the famous Patterson Gimlin footage which was shot in 1967 by Roger Paterson and Robert Gimlin at Bluff Creek,California.

Despite denials by Paterson, right up until the end of his life ,the film is widely believed to be a hoax,more specifically a man in an ape suit. And that is what my initial reaction to this picture was.

But lets not jump to conclusions.Lets give it a moments consideration.Could a could large ape like creature survive undetected in the wild in the U.K?

Unlike the U.S the U.K is relatively small and places where a large creature could remain undetected are few and far between but that dose not mean it would be impossible.

Earlier this year evidence emerged of a possible large cat type creature on the lose in Brookland, Kent.

www.dailystar.co.uk...

This account adds to the already quite large list of big cat sightings in the U.K.

Nick Arnold of the Kent Big Cat Research believes that the animals could be offspring of pets bought at Harrods department store in London.

"People used to keep these as animals as pets in the 1960's, you could even buy them from Harrods.

"In the 1970's the government introduced a dangerous animals act meaning it became much more difficult and expensive to keep them"

So there is indeed precedent for large creature or a population of large creatures to remain undetected in the wild here in the U.K, but a large ape like creature,a Bigfoot,well that seems out of the question.

And yet reports of such a creature exist.

In 2012 reports from Kent also emerged of the"Kentish Apeman" that is claimed towers eight-foot tall,and is covered in hair.

www.kentnews.co.uk...

Graham S from Tunbridge Wells,told how when he was working as a painter in the house of an elderly lady, she regaled him with a tale of coming face to face with the apeman during World War Two.

“One particular day she went to the Common with her husband and was sitting on a bench when they became aware of a shuffling noise behind them.

“Upon turning around both her husband and herself saw what she described as a tall, hairy ape like creature with eyes that were burning a reddish colour and it was moving towards them at a slow pace. They observed this creature for some time until they became afraid and they both fled.

“She went on to say that they told the police and members of their family, thinking that a gorilla had escaped from a zoo, but were laughed at and were not believed.”

But this isn't the only location that an "ape man has been reported in the U.K.

The mysterious Cannock Chase is the home to many a paranormal report from the "Pig Man" to black eyed children Canock Chase is said to be home to them all,not least among these is the Ape Man of Cannock chase.

www.birminghammail.co.uk...

Dozens of eyewitness accounts of the ape man have been recorded in the area over the years.The earliest being January 1879 when " a strange black creature with great white eyes which sprang out of the plantation by the roadside" was reported by a laboring man was employed to take a cart of luggage from Ranton in Staffordshire to Woodcock.

More recently in September 2012 September, a sighting was reported by a local resident, who described being chased by a terrifying beast whilst driving through Cannock Chase at 2am.

But despite there being numerous reports of an "ape man" reported in the U.K the skeptic in me finds it difficult to believe in the concept of the British Bigfoot.

However there dose seem to be evidence of the possibility of a population of large cats living the U.K not only in Kent as i have written about above but also hidden within the many reports of the different paranormal entity's said to dwell in Cannock Chase.

According to bbc there have been 100s of sightings of a puma like creature in the chase in the last couple of years.

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The explanation seems to be the change in the law in 1970s that made it illegal to keep exotic animals as pets here in the U.K.

As appears to be the case with the big cats of Kent,when the law changed people would simply release there animals into wild and over time a small population could have conceivably made its home on the Chase.

So with Kent and Cannock Chase having reports of both a large ape creature and more credibly, reports of large wild cats i postulate that both big cat sightings and apeman reports are one and the same thing.

Maybe sightings of the British Bigfoot are cases of mistakenly identified big cats living in the wild here in U.K.It s certainly and interesting theory and one that i think bears some consideration.

a reply to: thebabyseagull

You sure it's not a "migrant"?

get real this is a hoax, i can't believe this is anyway shape or form its a person in a suit ,
pathetic

originally posted by: HighDesertPatriot
a reply to: thebabyseagull

You sure it's not a "migrant"?

That was funny, maybe with his shirt off iranian.com...

On a serious note my mother has talked in the past when something about genetic hybridisation was on TV about a documentary in the 1970's here in the UK, there was apparenly one of the stately homes (big manner houses with land around it) that the MOD had taken over during the second world war and never given back so it was then an MOD facility related to porton down research facility, people whom lived nearby had heard inhuman screams and strange sound's for some time so this guy decided to scale the high wall and see what was going on, he apparently saw creatures that looked half human and half animal and got out of there as fast as he could, I don't recall it and am only relating it third hand but there may be something more to it that you can take into account as a possible if unlikely explanation.

distinctly human looking.....with wellies and cultured beard. Euro zone Bigfoot? Nah!




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It looks like he's carrying a pussy!



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Thats juat a dude in a suit.A very bad fake.

a reply to: Viking9019

i see a man dressed in black t shirt and black trousers , he is wearing wellington boots with his socks turned over the tops .

What i do find strange is that he does not appear to be standing on anything but his feet don't touch the ground .

A Bigfoot? I'm not even sure we aren't looking at a closeup of an oil painting.

Geez Ms. Toms, when your picture is this bad why even bother offering it up as proof?


I think this may be a Bob Ross painting .

Why is that huge ape-like creature wearing a gorilla costume?

Here I was minding my own business having a stroll in the woods and people start taking pics of me and chasing me with pitchforks....

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O.k mystery solved,"Britfoot" was man playing hide and seek with his daughter.

Still think my post makes some interesting points though.

a reply to: thebabyseagull
Lmao. You debunked your own thread. Nice.

originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: Viking9019

i see a man dressed in black t shirt and black trousers , he is wearing wellington boots with his socks turned over the tops .

What i do find strange is that he does not appear to be standing on anything but his feet don't touch the ground .

I presumed the same, although I thought he was lying down on his side, one welly on top of the other.

originally posted by: thebabyseagull
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O.k mystery solved,"Britfoot" was man playing hide and seek with his daughter.

Still think my post makes some interesting points though.

I agree that a species of huge apes existing undetected in Britain is a stretch. Though when you look at some of the claims from the US, they are also so unrealistic it becomes 6 of one/half dozen of the other. There are 0 bigfoots in either place IMO but It is interesting that Britain actually has a far longer tradition of such things and possibly where earlier bigfoot type myths in the US (pre the 1950's-60's yeti inspired bigfoot hoaxing boom) owe their genesis, to stories from European settlers.

Mistaking something known to exist (big cats) for bigfoot is more plausible than actual bigfoots and such exotic cats could conceivably exist there, as you say. Though I don't think this will be the explanation in the end.

The "wild man of the woods" is a common tradition/ mythology in many places around the world. It is also interesting that in some places around the world alien exotic "big cats" and "wild men" are often reported in similar locations.

Fascinating that bigfoot research in the UK relies on much the same as they do in the US. Claims/ stories, stick and teepee structures, bigfoot noises etc.

www.tamworthherald.co.uk...

mysteriousuniverse.org...

bigfootresearchuk.com...

a reply to: rossacus

The article about the "Britfoot" sighting was clearly a hoax.

What i was trying to do with the thread give brief history apeman sightings in the U.K and compare them to big cat sightings over here.

I find particularly interesting that the the two main areas that report "bigfoot" sightings also have reports of big cats.

a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

Why do think will be the explanation in the end.

Why do so many cultures have reports "apemen" like creatures?

I like to toy with the idea that it could be something in our dna, sort of a Jungian archetypal throw back to our distant evolutionary past .

Maybe in under certain conditions something lying dormant in our genes or dna or collective unconscious forces itself to the surface an materializes in our minds showing us visions of are distant ancestors.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
A Bigfoot? I'm not even sure we aren't looking at a closeup of an oil painting.

Geez Ms. Toms, when your picture is this bad why even bother offering it up as proof?

I think this may be a Bob Ross painting .

I don't know about that. Those trees look angsty.

a reply to: thebabyseagull

The Jungian archetypes/ genetic memory concepts are interesting.

Though from an anthropological pov, humans have spent most of their existence learning to survive in very different conditions to modern ones. For most of that time we competed with other hominids and predators, in very different conditions that also contained genuine megafauna.

It could be that in certain situations where the brain has a lot of information to interpret and especially if we feel fear or are uneasy, we might even experience something like this (bigfoot). The brain perceives/ interprets the situation this way as a safety first type of thing and although it might not help us now, it could have been a helpful survival trait especially with the regular threat of real predators. The idea has quite a bit of support from neuroscience/cognitive science and the subject of perception is fascinating. Could be how some of the indigenous myths/stories originated also.

Though there are also psychological factors to consider, as what we perceive is always affected by this (there is one good paper on it) and also complex sociological and cultural factors to take into account.

Amongst the honest claims there could also be the red panda effect.

The only other possibility seems to be the paranormal, as bigfoot (as per modern claims) certainly isn't an undiscovered biological species as much as a "phenomena".

The big cat phenomena seems more of a grey area, as they do at least exist and have been known to escape captivity. It's possible escaped apes (orang - chimps) could also be behind some of the claims, like the skunk ape for instance.

a reply to: thebabyseagull

Unlikely that Great Britain would be able ecologically to sustain a Bigfoot.
Bigfoot are a descendant of Paranthropus boisei or something highly similar which evolved to fill an ecological niche that Homo Sapiens did not. Two similar species cannot occupy the same niche so they evolved and adapted to mountainous canyon forest lands with a grass under story which is not what you find in the British Isles.
Man would have driven a large crypto hominid to extinction in such a largely open lowland environment long ago. There is also little story telling traditions of this type in the British Isles although no matter where you go there are a few, but oral traditions know no boundaries, compared to tribal histories, for comparison, in the Pacific Northwest, that are extensive, detailed, and of actual cryptic population with observed behavior and extending back over the centuries.
Perhaps this report was the result of one who swam over for a vacation or someone had an ape suit.

a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

A video is worth a thousand words.