Unusual cold & snow around the world, global cooling?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VoidHawk

This was mentioned a while back, and the pro gw crowd said "Its a part of global warming"

They did? Can you point that out?

The entire earth could be covered in ice and they'd still say "Carbon taxes please"

I'm not paying carbon taxes. No TV tax either.

Only because the skeptics are fighting folks like yourself.

a reply to: VoidHawk

2: No. In the uk, a license is only required to watch tv as its broadcast (live), anything coming from an internet source (is that Netflix?) is not considered live.

This seems bizarre to me.

I'm not one of those jackasses that thinks I'm super special for not having cable TV, but I don't have have cable TV (give me 5 channels, and I'm overwhelmed). I have a nice TV, and I watch a lot of movies/Netflix and every once in awhile I'll use the antenna to pick up local broadcasts (REAL football). Would I have to have a license to use my antenna in the UK?

Do you need a license to listen to radio stations in your car?

This isn't one of those USA vs UK things, I just don't get why or when you need a license. Is it a "license" or a tax? It sounds like a tax. When I use the antenna I get so many commercials I figure someone owes ME.

I'm licensed to drive a car and carry a gun here, but I would be pissed if I had to pay to watch TV. Unless it was commercial free. But that would bug me too.

How old are you? The UK seems like it's it's getting creepier and creepier, but people seem to get mad at the US instead of fighting their own govt. You're paying a tax to hear ads, but you're worried about GMO.

Can anyone please point me to absolute proof that climate change/cooling/heating/whatever is man made? the various news blogs I get in my inbox just refuse to agree with each other, some say volcanoes outstrip mankind in production of crud, others say termites produce more CO2 that humans/animals, Methane is 20 times worse that CO2, Clouds are not vectored into clime models, water vapour is deadly, came across a National Science Foundation report from 1977 'West Antarctic ice sheet melt to raise sea level by 20 ft, it has nothing to do with warmer climate, just the dynamics of unstable ice' um, well, still waiting on that one...

a reply to: pikestaff

What does the science say? Most blogs are opinions, not facts or distorted/misrepresented/misunderstood facts... and that's on both sides. Read the papers, read the journals.

a reply to: Pirvonen

I live in Colorado. A few nights ago we had rain - and a pretty intense thunderstorm

In November

I know thunder happens in the winter - but this was thunder like we get in July

You believe more in your global cooling fantasy than the fantasy you claim global warming to be.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VoidHawk

This was mentioned a while back, and the pro gw crowd said "Its a part of global warming"

They did? Can you point that out?

The entire earth could be covered in ice and they'd still say "Carbon taxes please"

I'm not paying carbon taxes. No TV tax either.

Not yet.

I love how when presented with cold and snow facts, climate change people immediately forget all the doom porn they have been peddling.

Scientists predicted in 2000 that kids would grow up without snow. It was 14 years ago now when UK climate scientists argued that global warming would make snowfall a “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” Dr. David Viner, a scientist with the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia, told the UK Independent in 2000.

The Arctic would be “ice-free” by now. “Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore said in 2008.

Gore was echoing the predictions made by American scientist Wieslaw Maslowsk in 2007, who said that “you can argue that may be our projection of [an ice-free Arctic by 2013] is already too conservative.”

But in 2013, Arctic sea ice coverage was up 50 percent from 2012 levels. Data from Europe’s Cryosat spacecraft showed that Arctic sea ice coverage was nearly 2,100 cubic miles by the end of this year’s melting season, up from about 1,400 cubic miles during the same time last year.

The end of skiing. Ski towns across the country were worried about their prospects when temperatures temporarily rose up into 50s and 60s in early February. Scientists were fanning the flames by predicting that winter towns could see more hardships ahead due to global warming.

“There’s going to be good years and there’s going to be god-awful years,” said Terry Root, senior fellow at the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment. “The globe is warming so rapidly, and variability is increasing so much – both of those things together, I’m glad I don’t have stock in ski areas.”

Any google search will turn up tons of these failed predictions.
dailycaller.com...

Please, I will gladly take all that snow combined here in my state. I hope this cooling is global, I've seen nothing but the decline of winter recreation due to warmth. Things may be turning around though! Not arguing the climate as I am not biased on the topic. Simply stating Alaska has had abnormal weather for awhile now.

originally posted by: Robotswilltakeover

early snow in Michigan
m.wsbtv.com...

It's November.

It's always cold this time of year in Michigan. It's pretty common to have snow-covered Thanksgivings, even in the Detroit area, which is the warmest part of MI.

Actually, just a week ago we hit ~70 degrees for a couple days. That was unexpected, but Michigan weather is always swinging to extremes.

a reply to: GoShredAK

I've seen the decline of winter recreation in the last 8 months due to warmth. This month, I think it will turn around. We'll have an upswing for the next 5 months or so, then a steady decline as the Northern Hemisphere slowly climbs out of its mini Ice age.

originally posted by: systemic.aberration
Actually, just a week ago we hit ~70 degrees for a couple days. That was unexpected, but Michigan weather is always swinging to extremes.

We're from SW FL, so MI weather is new to us. I've dubbed the weather here bi-polar with regards to the temp & precip swings (no offense to bi-polar folks, though) and the husband has summed it up as "MI Weather -- because F YOU, that's why!"

I've always been under the impression that global warming does cause cooling in the long run.

GW causes the ice caps to melt into the warmer ocean, lowering the temp of the ocean. Wind blows across the ocean (I.e jet stream) and blows that now colder air around.

I've always likened it to melting ice into a cup of water, and then blowing across the top of the cup. Your breath is now cooler.


Phage, do you believe in GW? Would you say my theory is accurate? If not, what is flawed?

I'm in Michigan and its been warm as hell.. November 2nd we hit 75, the same time last year we had a butt-load of snow and it was 18 degrees..

I'm a little concerned about opening day (15th) .. If it doesn't cool off, could make for a crappy season..

a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

Here is some education for you. AGW is the cause of most things that go wrong.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Refugee crisis is because of AGW.

a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

"Places colder than normal" is not equal to "overall planet colder than normal"

"More snow" is CERTAINLY not equal to "overall planet colder than normal"

"Global Warming" is and has been happening. FACT - these are measurements, not hypotheses or research as to the "why."

I didn't go around posting that the planet is turning into a desert because it barely rained from July-September this year, but by your irrational thought process, perhaps I should have.

originally posted by: Painterz

Regrettably parts of America are on average a little cooler, resulting in lots of Americans looking out their windows and going 'Global warming is a myth, it's cold here!' But if you look at the global picture you can see some really quite dramatic trends.

Although ironically parts of the US have been having a remarkable November heatwave (just like much of Europe)

www.cnbc.com...

a reply to: Domo1

In the UK and some other countries (Japan is one) you need a TV licence if you have apparatus capable of receiving live TV transmissions. This is used to pay for the "State" TV service (the BBC in our case).

This dates back to the early days of radio - and yes, originally you needed a licence if you had a radio!

Some say its a bit archaic and its likely the system is on its last legs. But it does mean that BBC programmes dont have adverts every 10 minutes ..... (adverts being the alternative system of paying for a TV service). Worth noting the TV licence also pays for the other services the BBC provide, radio, website etc and a proportion is used to pay for the provisional of high speed broadband to most parts of the country.

Sorry for being totally OT!

a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

The problem I have with denying climate change, is that its denying physics. We know how much CO2 we are releasing into the atmosphere, and we understand what effect that will have on global temperatures. Gases obey laws of nature, that cannot be debated.Yes, there is the variability of the planets natural systems, but that can just as easily amplify climate chance as reduce it. You cannot argue that climate change isn't occurring, because with the amount of CO2 being released, there is no way it CANNOT be occurring, and in fact its occurrence is being detected by multiple scientists and researchers. No one is speculating that its happening, it IS happening. Not to mention the fact that all the changes we ARE seeing are worse than the models predict. Global warming models predict more extreme climate, that means hotter summers and colder winters. The atmosphere is storing more heat, as well as the oceans, that means more water vapor, more precipitation in some areas, more drought in others. We are seeing this. It also means more snow in the winter and more severe winter storms, because the same energy that is driving stronger hurricanes in summer is driving stronger winter storms. It's not speculation, it's science.

a reply to: openminded2011

I think I can illustrate the frustration of those who know it's warming, but aren't ready to subscribe to the "it's all our fault" camp just yet.

Can you answer this one simple question with citations?

What percentage do humans have in the climate change equation?

*remember, "I don't know" is an acceptable answer, but it brings to light all the other "known" issues associated with climate change. Some folks think we just don't know much about this as of yet and aren't quite ready to make empirical statements.