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originally posted by: Gryphon66
but further, President Wolfe HIMSELF acknowledged that there are numerous problems that had gone unaddressed. (Read back if you want to see it.)
Keep on saying that he was fired, lynched, burned at the stake, whatever you guys need to say in order to satisfy your "outrage."
"I am resigning as president of the University of Missouri system today. ...
"My motivation in making this decision comes from love. I love MU, Columbia, where I grew up, and the state of Missouri. I have thought greatly about this decision, and it's the right thing to do. The response to this announcement I'm sure will bring joy to some and anger to others, and that's why we're here today. So let me speak to why this is so important at this time.
"To our students: from Concerned Student 1950 to our grad students, football players and other students, the frustration and anger that I see is clear, real,and I don't doubt it for a second.
"To the faculty and staff who have expressed their anger, their frustration, this, too, is real.
"To my friends and my supporters that have been so gracious and have sent so many emails in the past and calls with support, I understand that you might be frustrated, as well.
"So the question really is, is why did we get to this very difficult situation. It is my belief we stopped listening to each other. We didn't respond or react. We got frustrated with each other, and we forced individuals like Jonathan Butler to take immediate action and unusual steps to effect change.
"This is not, I repeat not, the way change should come about. Change comes from listening, learning, caring and conversation. We have to respect each other enough to stop yelling at each other and start listening, and quit intimidating each other. ...
"Unfortunately this has not happened. And I just want to stand before you today, and I take full responsibility for this frustration, and I take full responsibility for the inaction that has occurred."
“I ask everybody — from students to faculty to staff to my friends, everybody — use my resignation to heal and to start talking again. To make the changes necessary, and let's focus on changing what we can change today and in the future, and not what we can’t change, which is what happened in the past.
“I truly love everybody here and the very institution, and my decision to resign comes out of love, not hate. I’d like to read some Scripture that’s given me strength. I hope it provides you with some strength as well, as we think about this next. I have to also to give credit to my daughter, who reminded me of the Scripture.
"Psalm 46 verse 1: ‘The Lord is my refuge and my strength, my very present help in trouble.’”
"We need to use my resignation — please, please — use this resignation to heal, not to hate as we move forward today for a brighter tomorrow. God bless all of you, and thank you for this wonderful opportunity to" serve "the University of Missouri system. Thank you."
originally posted by: Gryphon66
The facts are still the facts. Racism still exists in America in all forms. Pretending it's all a problem of "PC'" no better than pretending its all just fake "Racism."
originally posted by: filched
a reply to: ketsuko
Just curious, what do you say of the white players, head coach and faculty members who stand in solidarity with the actions of the black players. Are they simply too "PC" to be taken seriously or are they suffering from some other delusion which makes them susceptible to agreement with obvious (in your mind) reverse racist tactics?
originally posted by: filched
a reply to: ketsuko
Just curious, what do you say of the white players, head coach and faculty members who stand in solidarity with the actions of the black players. Are they simply too "PC" to be taken seriously or are they suffering from some other delusion which makes them susceptible to agreement with obvious (in your mind) reverse racist tactics?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
They are bringing attention to a situation unacceptable to them by their choice not to play football for the university.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
I see you take the tactic of repeating the word "claim" as if there is no chance that there actually is a hostile environment at the university.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
No, no one expects the President to keep anyone from ever saying anything offensive. That's what keeps getting repeated here and it's preposterous. They are protesting the fact that the university President HAD DONE NOTHING to investigate these hateful acts.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
You can arbitrarily "claim" that there's no evidence, but that's far, far weaker claim than the students are making, just on it's face.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
The questions you ask (and pretend are unanswerable) can be resolved with investigation. President Wolfe had done nothing. The idea that there is no racism in this country is a point of political belief; it's probably one of the greatest loads of BS that the right-wing tries to push.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Your contentions are all merely personal which, of course, is totally fine. Your prerogative. You've obviously taken none of the facts of the matter into consideration, because, as usual, you've already formed your belief and whatever facts exist at this point twist around your confirmation bias.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Again, I recommend we wait to see what actual investigations of these matters reveal. Perhaps a significant portion of the student body have all conspired to make things up, and perhaps not.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Just out of curiosity though ... can you think of any reason the Black students are more likely to lie than the White ones?
originally posted by: filched
Just curious, what do you say of the white players, head coach and faculty members who stand in solidarity with the actions of the black players. Are they simply too "PC" to be taken seriously or are they suffering from some other delusion which makes them susceptible to agreement with obvious (in your mind) reverse racist tactics?
originally posted by: filched
a reply to: XTexan
They had a choice to either stand in solidarity with grievances they perceived as valid OR to not align themselves with actions they deemed to be opportunistic and deceitful. They chose the former as autonomous adults who are part of the university family, having intimate knowledge of the issues leading up to the strike. I can also only assume they were of sound mind and not being coerced when doing so. If they had stayed silent would they be labeled racists? No, I'm fairly certain they would not have but apparently you think there could have been no alternate outcome.
In all honestly, what you are saying is no white person in their right mind could possibly agree with what these black players have done... because... what have they really done? Except make a stand for their dignity as students, football players, black men in a white environment. You make it seem like doing that is unthinkable to the rational mind when really it is your skewed perception making it so. You live in a world where black people and white people's interests are wholly antithetical. In my world human decency is the uniting factor between different races of people.You do these honorable white people that stood in solidarity a disservice by implying they do so under false pretenses, because of fear, whatever sordid exclusions could apply to them making a real, informed and adult decision to stand with.
originally posted by: filched
a reply to: ketsuko
Is the narrative you've just outlined possible? I will grant that, yes, it is possible however you're really just pulling that out of thin air because you aren't inside the mind of this individual. I like to think that he stands with them from a genuine feeling of solidarity. What? People in Missouri don't mean what they say or say what they mean anymore? Geez that state's gone to #.
originally posted by: filched
a reply to: XTexan
They had a choice to either stand in solidarity with grievances they perceived as valid OR to not align themselves with actions they deemed to be opportunistic and deceitful. They chose the former as autonomous adults who are part of the university family, having intimate knowledge of the issues leading up to the strike. I can also only assume they were of sound mind and not being coerced when doing so. If they had stayed silent would they be labeled racists? No, I'm fairly certain they would not have but apparently you think there could have been no alternate outcome.
In all honestly, what you are saying is no white person in their right mind could possibly agree with what these black players have done... because... what have they really done? Except make a stand for their dignity as students, football players, black men in a white environment. You make it seem like doing that is unthinkable to the rational mind when really it is your skewed perception making it so. You live in a world where black people and white people's interests are wholly antithetical. In my world human decency is the uniting factor between different races of people.
You do these honorable white people that stood in solidarity a disservice by implying they do so under false pretenses, because of fear, whatever sordid exclusions could apply to them making a real, informed and adult decision to stand with.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler
The facts don't matter. Yes, that's obvious.
Post twenty pages with your own unique take on the issues. You aren't and weren't there. The people who were acknowledged the problem and have dealt with it. Your endless opining on the matter changes nothing.
The situation has been resolved. Hopefully, at least in Missouri, some sort of healing can start.
originally posted by: XTexan
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler
The facts don't matter. Yes, that's obvious.
Post twenty pages with your own unique take on the issues. You aren't and weren't there. The people who were acknowledged the problem and have dealt with it. Your endless opining on the matter changes nothing.
The situation has been resolved. Hopefully, at least in Missouri, some sort of healing can start.
How was it resolved? Did they ID and punish those responsible for the harassment and vandalism? Whats in place to prevent it from happening tomorrow?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: XTexan
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler
The facts don't matter. Yes, that's obvious.
Post twenty pages with your own unique take on the issues. You aren't and weren't there. The people who were acknowledged the problem and have dealt with it. Your endless opining on the matter changes nothing.
The situation has been resolved. Hopefully, at least in Missouri, some sort of healing can start.
How was it resolved? Did they ID and punish those responsible for the harassment and vandalism? Whats in place to prevent it from happening tomorrow?
More than was in place yesterday.
Sorry if that burns your coffee.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler
The facts don't matter. Yes, that's obvious.
Post twenty pages with your own unique take on the issues. You aren't and weren't there. The people who were acknowledged the problem and have dealt with it. Your endless opining on the matter changes nothing.
The situation has been resolved. Hopefully, at least in Missouri, some sort of healing can start.
@_JonathanButler
This is only the first step! More change is to come!!
#TheStruggleContinues #ConcernedStudent1950
Ben Trachtenberg, Chair of the University of Missouri Faculty Council says, the students work was inspiring and more work needs to be done.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
It's not a matter of simply "being offended" nor does it have anything to do with "being free."
These are the shibboleths the right-wing always rolls out when avoiding blatant racism and hate crimes.
"The posted timeline" ... yes, I posted a few myself, trying to make sense of it. Here's the thing though, the students, faculty, administrators, the Head Coach and the President of the University have ALL STATED that these problems do exist.
The armchair pundits around here from whom "there is no racism in America anymore" is a matter of faith are not on the ground, do not know what has happened, do not know what these students face everyday.
I'm sure you, like others here, would claim that until someone is lynched ... there's no real problem, and probably not even then.
I posted the transcript. Show me one place where the president mentions racism. The fact that you continue to spout this lie shows your true intentions. You have repeatedly refused to look at the facts of the case, and are repeating lies over and over. You are more interested in the narrative of "Whites are evil to blacks" than you areof the actual facts of the case. Everyone who is reading this can see that you are refusing to show where the president said this. I hope that they all find your credibility severely diminished because of this.
It is certainly the President's job to deal with situations that threaten the campus community. That's preposterous to even say.
The facts are that everyone on the campus admits there are serious problems. The President took a course of action that is honorable, unlike the whining and gnashing of teeth here because a White man recognized that there is a serious problem with racial issues and acted to remedy that as best he could.
This blows one of the primary pillars of the right-wing's racism narrative out of the water: he acknowledged the problems.
Of course he had to be coereced, of course he was bought off or only doing it for the money or threatened in some way. Not because any of you have any facts that support those wild beliefs, but because you cannot accept that a White man did the right thing and not only acknowledged the racial issues but has acted, in the best way he can, to make a difference.
Like I said above. The situation is hopefully on it's way to reparation. The racists have lost this round.
Deal with it.
originally posted by: Grambler
I posted the entire resignation speech from the president. Show me where he says these racial problems talked about by the activist exist.
I posted the transcript. Show me one place where the president mentions racism. The fact that you continue to spout this lie shows your true intentions.
Nov 06, 2015
Today I again had the opportunity to meet with MU graduate student Jonathan Butler who continues a hunger strike protesting the inequalities, inequities, and obstacles faced by students, faculty and staff at the University of Missouri. I am very concerned about Jonathan’s health. His voice for social justice is important and powerful. He is being heard and I am listening. I am thankful for the leadership provided by him and the other student leaders in raising awareness of racism, injustice, and intolerance. This afternoon I also met with representatives of several student groups and I value their input and hear their voices.
Racism does exist at our university and it is unacceptable. It is a long-standing, systemic problem which daily affects our family of students, faculty and staff. I am sorry this is the case. I truly want all members of our university community to feel included, valued and safe.
I regret my reaction at the MU homecoming parade when the ConcernedStudent1950 group approached my car. I am sorry, and my apology is long overdue. My behavior seemed like I did not care. That was not my intention. I was caught off guard in that moment. Nonetheless, had I gotten out of the car to acknowledge the students and talk with them perhaps we wouldn’t be where we are today. I am asking us to move forward in addressing the racism that exists at our university – and it does exist. Together we must rise to the challenge of combatting racism, injustice, and intolerance.