Where In the HELL did the "BLACK BOXES" Go?

Somebody please, give me a real good explanation why every single black box (8) were never recovered?

This line really touches on something I am starting to find very frustrating on ATS, the inability to critically appraise your sources, ideas and beliefs.

If you had just bothered to google "9/11 black box's" you would have found out rather quickly that the Black Box's of both flight 93 and Flight 77 were both recovered although the second was damaged. The other two box's where buried under the two towers.

Really just check this stuff out before you post it will save the egg on the face.

a reply to: Azureblue

This of course is all too riskly so the logical thing to do would be to remove them from the planes before they even took off. This gurrantees they will never be found.

Why not just turn off the circuit breakers for the boxes before take off?
You do realize that EVERY circuit involving power has a breaker for it in a plane?

a reply to: samkent

Would not work for truthers......

How else could you construct an elaborate conspiracy fantasy involving evil Joos, CIA, MOSSAD if you
can simply shut off the power......

Just to say that the report on the atrocities has information on the data recorders...

Opens in a PDF

Whether you believe it, or not, the information is available in the public domain.

I like your idea. Since planes are connected to the net somehow. I would think there would be a way to tract them and instantly relay any kind of data from them. Hell the airlines could have their own internet where this tracking data could be used. Then only a pinger would be needed to be added to the planes body. So if it did go down over water the pinger could help the airframe to be found.

a reply to: Ceeker63

Since planes are connected to the net somehow.

Not to my knowledge.
You may have net to the passengers but the plane is not connected.
Especially in 2001.

Wasn't there much debate over the data from the Pentagon plane box concerning it's path, speed, etc.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

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You may not have had the facts 100 percent correct, but you are correct that flight recorder facts are strange and suspicious. Equally so are the surviving passport, along with the suitcase found with a 757 flight manual, a will, and the copy of the Koran.

They think we are stupid, but they will soon find out we knew all along. Keep up the good fight OP.

Also

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

It seems to me that a better way would be in this day and age,to have the boxes only to transfer data to a server,where it doesn't get damaged if there is a crash. Then anyone that needs it for the investigation can download the info from the site and have it complete.

they're against that and having locks on the pilots doors because then it would be harder to do false flags with airplanes.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

kay, 4 planes supposedly crashed that day and none of them were submerged in water. They found none of the "black boxes" and no official investigation from NTSB is on record, at least for public consumption and yet the single greatest accumulation of supposed airplane tragedies to occur on American soil has been put to every single possible conspiracy theory imagined with one very important detail completely omitted; the biggest conspiracy of all of this is that the "BLACK BOXES" were never found.

Black boxes of American 77 and United 93 were recovered. Now, if black box data is not available, what other means does the NTSB have to solve an air disaster? Remember, there are thousands of aircraft that do not carry black boxes.

If you want to know what happened to American 11, American 77, United 93, and United 175, just ask the operators/owners of those aircraft, American Airlines and United Airlines. You can also ask the NTSB and I am very sure that available voice recordings and radar data for each 9/11 aircraft are available for review in any investigation. We also have altitude data for each aircraft proving they were not switched nor flown under remote control.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Azureblue

This of course is all too riskly so the logical thing to do would be to remove them from the planes before they even took off. This gurrantees they will never be found.

Why not just turn off the circuit breakers for the boxes before take off?
You do realize that EVERY circuit involving power has a breaker for it in a plane?

there are these things called batteries they should put them in the black boxes

a reply to: HorusChrist

There are batteries inside the "black box" - they power the sonar pinger which emits a signal allowing it to be located
if the aircraft lands in water

Lasts about 30 days +/- a few days

a reply to: Zaphod58

Wasn't it Bernie Kerik who found the passport?

a reply to: roadgravel

Yes, much controversy. The data shows the airplane operating at Vmo +100 knots, an impossible feat.

A man named Dennis Cimino, an expert in FDR technology, claims that the FDR data he received from NTSB is bogus because the unit was not even assigned to a particular airplane.

There was no crashed Boeing at the pentagon. The whole story is ridiculous, beyond belief.

a reply to: Salander

Pilot, passengers, wreckage, footage, etc. I assume none of these exist?

a reply to: HorusChrist

there are these things called batteries they should put them in the black boxes

You don't want batteries in the boxes for several reasons.
1. You don't want the recorder running after the crash because it will over write earlier data.
2. You don't want the possibility of battery corrosion inside the recorder.

a reply to: Salander

Yes, much controversy. The data shows the airplane operating at Vmo +100 knots, an impossible feat.

Where did you get that false information from?

It is apparent that are you unaware that there have been cases where subsonic airliners exceeded the speed of sound. A DC-8 broke the sound barrier during a test flight. In another case, TWA 841, a B-727, exceeded the speed of sound as well.

The First Commercial Jet to Break the Sound Barrier Was Not the Concorde

On this date in 1961, a jet designed for commercial use became the first civilian craft to go supersonic. It wasn't the famous Concorde, which wouldn't break the sound barrier until an October '69 test flight, or the Soviet-built Tupolev Tu-144, but rather a humble DC-8—no. N9604Z, to be specific.

It was all part of an August 21, 1961 test flight from Edwards Air Force Base thought up by Douglas pilot William Magruder. According to flight test engineer Richard Edwards, who spoke with Air & Space Magazine, the idea was to "get it out there, show the airplane can survive this and not fall apart." At the time, DC-8s had been used by commercial carriers for about three years and were competing with the Boeing 707. While DC-8s weren't designed to go supersonic, the bragging rights of being the first to do so were worth making the attempt.

mentalfloss.com...

What you have just done was to spew disinformation that I have warned 9/11 conspiracy theorist about.

A man named Dennis Cimino, an expert in FDR technology, claims that the FDR data he received from NTSB is bogus because the unit was not even assigned to a particular airplane.

That is false. American Airlines and the Boeing Aircraft Co. provided the conversion formulas for the FDR of American 77 that pertained ONLY to the airframe of American 77, and no other aircraft. In other words, you have once again, posted false information.

Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon

www.journalof911studies.com...

There was no crashed Boeing at the pentagon. The whole story is ridiculous, beyond belief.

That is false. Not only was my Wing Commander inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck, but I have identified B-757 wreckage from photos inside and outside the Pentagon.

American 77 Wing Flaps at the Pentagon

American 77 Wheel at the Pentagon

American 77 Wreckage at the Pentagon

American 77 Engine Remains at the Pentagon

American 77 Altitude Flight Data

American 77 Data

American 77 Passenger Manifest 1

American 77 Passenger Manifest 2

Even American Airlines confirmed the loss of American 77 at the Pentagon.



Just to let you know that the false information you'd posted was fabricated and has been used to discredit 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

a reply to: Salander

Wasn't it Bernie Kerik who found the passport?

Speaking of passports, look what survived a flaming airline accident in Nepal.

Photo: Passport and Dollar Bill Survive Flaming Airline Crash

In other words, the claim that passports cannot survive fiery airplane crashes has crashed in flames.

a reply to: samkent

Perhaps because you are a non-aviator, you don't understand that many airplanes have SOME circuit breakers that are not accessible from the cockpit. Even the old Lear 23 had such an arrangement.