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a reply to: FlyingFox

Why would they tell the media? It's direct government to government contact. These tests are no big deal to governments and the military.

a reply to: game over man

And why would he? This is about as big a story as Russian bombers flying near the US coasts. Or US aircraft flying near Russia. It's routine and a non-story. The only reason this one got this much attention is because of the trail it left during launch.

From the perspective of an uninformed person, an obviously outbound track may indicate not an offensive strike, but possibly an interceptor missile.

Yes, this could be cause for alarm?

a reply to: FlyingFox

How would an interceptor missile be a cause for concern? An ICBM would be far more cause for concern than any interceptor.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: game over man

And why would he? This is about as big a story as Russian bombers flying near the US coasts. Or US aircraft flying near Russia. It's routine and a non-story. The only reason this one got this much attention is because of the trail it left during launch.

I guess their may be a stigma attached to local ICBM launches in the California night sky compared to an airplane somewhere over the arctic that nobody sees except if they're standing on top of their igloo with a spotter scope.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FlyingFox

How would an interceptor missile be a cause for concern? An ICBM would be far more cause for concern than any interceptor.

What if: the interceptor was intercepting an ICBM?!?!?

MIND = BLOWN

a reply to: FlyingFox

Russian bombers have flown near California. They've flown near Guam, Japan, California, and many other areas that don't have people "standing on top of their igloo with a spotter scope". The only reason this was even talked about was because of the trail that it left. There have been a number of missile tests out of California in the last few years, and they didn't even get mentioned.

October 21, 2015 Minuteman III:



September 23, 2013 Minuteman III:



March 23, 2015

December 17, 2013


All of those were from Vandenberg.

a reply to: FlyingFox

Then it would miss. There are no reliable interceptors that will stop an ICBM. And if it was intercepting an ICBM, then why would it cause consternation, considering anyone seeing the interceptor launch would probably be the ones that launched the ICBM in the first place.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Do you think Obama knew? Why do you think the top secret operation was actually a tell all to people in our government and our enemies? It seems like you are speculating on that. It was public info a top secret military exercise was going on, they changed flight paths at night out of LAX, there is another thread about it. You really think important people in our government and our enemies knew more than that press release from the southern California military involved in it?

Why not everyone knew the same thing i.e. the press release because it was a top secret operation?

Is this a live missile drill, because I was just talking about the mind of the uninformed general public.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: somnum

Pretty much so, yes:
This guy put quite a bit of work into pinpointing the location.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But knowing a typical flight profile for an ICBM, it's pretty standard.
w3.uwyo.edu...

Yes that was a good post. cheers.

a reply to: FlyingFox

It was a test of an unarmed missile.
It was not "live" it was not a "drill."

a reply to: game over man

The President doesn't know every single detail of every test that goes on. It wasn't a top secret operation. The exact time and location of the launch wasn't publicized, that doesn't mean that it was top secret. There was a notice that the launch was going to happen published for aircraft and ships to be aware of it. It gave a window of the launch time.

originally posted by: game over man
Where was the ISS in relation to this event? Could they see it from space and take photos/video if they were in the right position?

An excellent question, since twice in the past three years ISS crews have spotted missile launches accidentally [and I suspect cosmonauts have too, in the past].

ADD LINKS

www.jamesoberg.com...
www.jamesoberg.com...


ISS was half a planet away this time. But there'll be 'next times'.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Ok maybe not top secret...but Secret military operations to divert LAX planes for a week

Why would the military be required to tell anyone in the world more than that above info? They don't have to...we are the most powerful military in the world. How do you know they told aircraft and ships they were going to be firing a Trident II missile?

ETA: They shut down the area and said stay out for the next week, and launched 2 days later...

a reply to: game over man

How do you know they told aircraft and ships they were going to be firing a Trident II missile?

Who said they told any of them a trident was going to be launched?
They told planes and ships to stay out of the area. That's it.

a reply to: game over man

And how do you think Russia or China, who both have enough weapons to wipe the US off the face of the planet, are going to react to a Trident missile flying their way? The range that it landed on is close to both of them. There is a reason that contact procedures were put in place, and it's to prevent an accidental nuclear war because of a missile test.

I know the procedures that the military has when tests are going on. One of them is to inform Russia and China that the test is coming up. They don't have to give the exact day and time, but they give them a launch window of when the test will take place. You have no idea how many times we came within an inch of launching on each other during the 60s and 70s, before the procedures were put in place, because someone was testing a missile and didn't bother to tell anyone else that they were doing it.

They don't tell ships and planes what they're doing, only that the MOA is active, and it's now restricted air and sea space that can't be transited. They give a window of when it's active, and when it reopens. That's all they're required to tell anyone that will be in that area.

a reply to: JimOberg

Thanks for the links those are amazing pics.

This website ISS has an altitude of 250 miles and going 17,000 mph and is heading it's way over Europe right now...

ISS tracker

^Is that not accurate? What do you mean ISS is half a planet away?

a reply to: game over man
I think he said was. At the time of the missile launch.

a reply to: Phage

I agree they didn't tell anything more than that. Thus were probably tracking reactions across the world. Or like someone else said way earlier in the thread that it was a distraction for something more sinister to go down that people wouldn't be paying attention to. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Why not try to get some more out of the 40 million dollar test? Idk just an idea...