Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

“That’s the entire relationship – they hired him to speak a couple of times,” said Barry Bennett, Mr. Carson’s campaign manager.

That’s not what Mr. Carson said in 2011, when he got a round of applause by telling Mannatech associates that the company had donated funds to help him get a coveted endowed post at Johns Hopkins Medicine, according to a video of the event. Mannatech removed the video from its website last week after inquiries from The Wall Street Journal.

“Well three years ago I had an endowed chair bestowed upon me,” Mr. Carson said in his “Keynote Address” at a 2011 Mannatech convention. “And uh, it requires $2.5 million to do an endowed chair and I’m proud to say that part of that $2.5 million came from Mannatech.”

Despite that statement, the Carson campaign now says “there was no contribution from Mannatech to Johns Hopkins.” A spokesman added: “It was a legitimate mistake on his part. Confusion. He had been doing some fundraising for the hospital and some other chairs about that time, and he simply got things mixed up.

This guy seems to get mixed up quite a bit.

blogs.wsj.com...

originally posted by: DelMarvel


This guy seems to get mixed up quite a bit.

blogs.wsj.com...

No kidding! Not unlike some of his followers.

I am personally excited about Dr. Carson's continued candidacy. I sincerely hope he makes it all the way!

a reply to: stevieray
yep

the original story here has been done and proven a lie.

indeed I am done unless they can come up with something of substance

a reply to: Gryphon66
Only one final observation on this failed campaign - Carson will benefit from it.

Childish attacks and foolish / dishonest claims......no longer the "win" that they were in the past.

Trump, Carson, and Cruz have proven this over the last several months. The American public now gets mad at such vapid, infantile stuff. And supports those that it's directed at.

Many failed shots at Trump that helped him, now a barrage at Carson. Cruz is next. Keeping their powder dry on Rubio and Jeb because they are the most liberal republicans, and the preferred opponent by the DNC and socialists.

If either of them gets the nom, the "treatment" gets piled on them. A complete re-run of 2008 and 2012. It's not like this isn't the 3rd repetition of this, in as many cycles.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DelMarvel

So ... given the apparent desperate attempts on the part of Dr. Carson's followers (as we see here) to explain away any lies he tells or mistakes he makes ... do you think these ever-mounting discrepancies are going to have any effect on his popularity?

Hard to say. This is being spun as an attack by the media and liberals and that might fly with the "Christian" base.

originally posted by: Gryphon66I mean, I'm on the record as saying I'd dearly LOVE to see Dr. Carson as the Republican nominee ... so I personally hope not.

What do you think?

I'm sure the Dems would rather run against Carson then some of the other candidates.

For myself (and I can't believe I'm saying this) I would rather see one of the sane candidates like Kasich or Christie or even Bush get the nod if the other option is Carson to avoid any kind of remote chance that he could become president.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: stevieray
yep

the original story here has been done and proven a lie.

indeed I am done unless they can come up with something of substance

No, nothing has been proven to be a lie except, well, just about everything that Ben Carson claims.

The evidence has mounted. Forget Politico ... did you bother to read anything else in the thread?

originally posted by: stevieray
Many failed shots at Trump that helped him, now a barrage at Carson. Cruz is next. Keeping their powder dry on Rubio and Jeb because they are the most liberal republicans, and the preferred opponent by the DNC and socialists.

Did I miss your response to me pointing out the reporting that is originating with Murdoch's Wall Street Journal?

You're not seriously suggesting that paper is a tool of the DNC and "socialists" are you?

Carson is a great big crybaby.

All he’s doing now is crying “the press is out to get me” over and over like a child so he could (he thinks) get the sympathy GOP vote.

If he can’t stand the heat he aught to get out of the kitchen.

ALL politicians face the stupid, fickle, sensationalist media and so far he has got a pass so I have no sympathy for this grown crybaby

a reply to: DelMarvel

Oh yeah, I know. As we see here.

I guess we'll see. Thanks for an actual rational answer here.

Seems rare.

a reply to: Gryphon66

And having said that I just can't imagine Carson surviving. There is a recent history of the GOP leaders at this point in the election cycle flaming out. But things seem so weird this time around.

However, I'm certain there is big money and powerful influences in the Republican party and the corporatocracy that want him to go away.

As I've posted before, as soon as I read the marketplace interview with him referring to the gold standard I instantly became convinced what is going on now was about to happen. Might be no connection and just delusions of grandeur on my part; it's happened before.

Another point. He did lose his temper at that press conference. Maybe he did have a violent temper as a youth and has kept it under control for decades until now. However, you can also be sure there is plenty of effort going on right now to find out if there is anything in his long career that contradicts that narrative. I wouldn't be surprised to see first hand accounts from subordinates start to surface next.

a reply to: infolurker

From Carson's book

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college. ..."

When Politico made Carson aware that...(A) Westpoint is tax-payer funded and doesn't have scholarships and (B) Westpoint has no record of him ever applying or being accepted there..

He changed his story to claiming that General Westmorland offered him an "Appointment" at Westpoint verbally over lunch..

Carson, in his book, claims to have met Westmoreland on Memorial Day after being chosen to march in a Detroit parade.

But...the facts still haunt his BS...

"[A]ccording to records of Westmoreland's schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general's records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m. There are, however, several reports of an event in February of that year, similar to the one Carson described."

General Westmorland died in 2005, so Carson figured he could say what he likes..

These are just the facts...

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: Gryphon66

And having said that I just can't imagine Carson surviving. There is a recent history of the GOP leaders at this point in the election cycle flaming out. But things seem so weird this time around.

However, I'm certain there is big money and powerful influences in the Republican party and the corporatocracy that want him to go away.

As I've posted before, as soon as I read the marketplace interview with him referring to the gold standard I instantly became convinced what is going on now was about to happen. Might be no connection and just delusions of grandeur on my part; it's happened before.

Another point. He did lose his temper at that press conference. Maybe he did have a violent temper as a youth and has kept it under control for decades until now. However, you can also be sure there is plenty of effort going on right now to find out if there is anything in his long career that contradicts that narrative. I wouldn't be surprised to see first hand accounts from subordinates start to surface next.

You do realize that your first paragraph was said verbatim 20 times about Trump already, and about 10 times for Carson ? lol.....oh please please please please let it be true this time !!

I like how the Carson meme was "oh he lied about being violent, he's a wuss".......and now is "ooh boohoo he was violent in that interview what a masher".

You guys are stunning and just mind stopping.

Did he meet Westmoreland at a Parade or a Banquet?

But wait...
The Parade was in Detroit, but Westmoreland wasn't meeting ROTCs at a Parade or a Banquet...
He was with others in a meeting in Washington...


So it's easy to surmise that the entire story is in fact bull#.


Now all we need is for Carson to admit it and we can switch this to the LOL and reinstate the original thread.

Because that's the crux of the issue, people saying "Carson didn't admit to anything" is their bottom line...


But we don't need him to admit it, really!

In his own bull#ting way he has admitted it silently.



Oh look Hillary has been caught lying lets deflect instantly from the Grand Ol Party's main man...



Guf...
Faw!!!

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: infolurker

From Carson's book

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college. ..."

When Politico made Carson aware that...(A) Westpoint is tax-payer funded and doesn't have scholarships and (B) Westpoint has no record of him ever applying or being accepted there..

He changed his story to claiming that General Westmorland offered him an "Appointment" at Westpoint verbally over lunch..

Carson, in his book, claims to have met Westmoreland on Memorial Day after being chosen to march in a Detroit parade.

But...the facts still haunt his BS...

"[A]ccording to records of Westmoreland's schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general's records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m. There are, however, several reports of an event in February of that year, similar to the one Carson described."

General Westmorland died in 2005, so Carson figured he could say what he likes..

These are just the facts...

www.npr.org...

un-oh....we've gone from "we caught him lying about Westmoreland" to "Westmoreland's dead so he can say anything".

Gets weaker and weaker....but rest assured that there will always be some variant of the meme. Even if they need to say "Westmoreland didn't have veal...it was chicken !!" "LIAR !!"

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: Gryphon66
Only one final observation on this failed campaign - Carson will benefit from it.

And you're right again.
Keep shoveling out the ignorance, Carson haters.

Carson thanks 'biased media' for $3.5M fundraising haul

thehill.com...

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: Gryphon66
Dept Heads run hospitals. Keep saying "nuh-uh". It's a hoot !

Carson didn't lie about anything you "quote", because your "quotes" aren't actually real quotes, they're your version of what you say was said by Politico. That's kind of pitiful.

"His Campaign" doesn't have a mouth or a voice. "It" didn't "already admit" anything.

Give us direct quotes from the book, or direct quotes from people, and we will stop laughing at your gyrating.

No they don't, they manage departments...

They have no say in how it's run they manage what others above them decide is for the best way for a department to be run!

Having worked in a hospital for 6 years under 6 different Heads of Department that much becomes pretty obvious when you see them scratching their heads after a meeting with those who RUN the Hospital.

a reply to: stevieray

Imagine if you will, several humans so upset at the existence of another human....that they will abandon everything (mostly their dignity) and run off to join a movement dedicated to uncovering the vagaries in that human's usage of the words "scholarship"......"offered"......."involvement".

Thank God for these humans; the world needs them right now.

Pay no attention to those proven Clinton lies, possible espionage and/or treason, deaths, and attendant business-financial maneuverings. That would be silly to pursue. "Ganging up on her" if you will.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: Gryphon66
Dept Heads run hospitals. Keep saying "nuh-uh". It's a hoot !

Carson didn't lie about anything you "quote", because your "quotes" aren't actually real quotes, they're your version of what you say was said by Politico. That's kind of pitiful.

"His Campaign" doesn't have a mouth or a voice. "It" didn't "already admit" anything.

Give us direct quotes from the book, or direct quotes from people, and we will stop laughing at your gyrating.

No they don't, they manage departments...

They have no say in how it's run they manage what others above them decide is for the best way for a departmebt to be run!

Having worked in a hospital for 6 years under 6 different Heads of Department that much becomes petty obvious when you see them scratching their heads after a meeting with those who RUN the Hospital.

They manage departments of the hospital. Each manages the hospital collaboratively. Each responsible for managing the hospital.

Many great leaders at various levels never get micro-managed by "others above them". The pre-eminent neurosurgeon
in the world would not be meddled with in their area, by any CEO worth their salt.

A single poster's anecdotal myth does not yield a world-wide rule about management and organizations.

a reply to: stevieray

haha, oh noooooo....I totally missed that you were picking and poking at the word "run".

And here we go again. A common tactic among the DNC shills, at least.

"Run" is generic enough to encompass leading, managing, administering, and so on. It means "runs the hospital" in whatever individual or collaborative models they use.

Belichik runs the Patriots even if he has a GM or VP or Pres or owner above him. His staff coaches also run the team.

a reply to: stevieray

Ahhh yes semantics switch...

You said "department heads run hospitals", but in actual fact you meant "manages departments", same same isn't it hmmm hmmm hmmm...

Gimme a break.

You wing nuts have a problem with speaking correctly and then blame DNC shills for your own grammatical incoherence.


By the by, I'm as far from a democrat as anyone on this board. So I don't know what the DNC has to do with this.



Say things properly and you won't have to backtrack when called upon to answer for your embellishments...
That goes for you and Dr.Carson.