British Spies uncover evidence Russian Plane was blown up by bomb in hold

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This would explain why the British Government were quick to stop flights from that area even before the investigation is finished. I wonder whether they picked up other intelligence as well saying other flights were at risk?

For those who are aviation experts doe this sound plausible. Apparently Russia are angry that British Government won't share intelligence and that it was missed.

I have seen various people say that security is lax at this airport where £20 can get you through customs quite easily. I haven't been to this resort so can't comment. I have just seen it is discussed here. news.sky.com...

What did occur to me is that with Tunisia and now this are ISIL deliberately going for popular tourists resorts to stop western tourists from going there because they don't want non-muslims in a muslim country? If so, then they are winning aren't they because both of these Countries rely heavily on tourism and it is going to damage their economies and so terrorism will be able to breed much faster and resentment will grow towards the West if they stop holidaying there.

The whole Middle East is a minefield these days ,
and you visit there at your own risk.
Terrorism has a nasty habit of picking 'soft' targets ,
and in those countries , embedding a covert operative
for ISIL ,is all to easy , and almost unstoppable ...

British spies aid 'terrorists' in blowing up Russian plane

a reply to: anxiouswens

For me, this puts into perspective the disappearance of MH370, followed shortly thereafter by the crash of MH17.

and now we have this - another plane bought down, apparently via nefarious means.

For me there is a link here, airlines are being targeted - innocents are being targeted.

Is this a high stakes tit-for-tat game?

a reply to: anxiouswens

There is a huge propaganda war going on because Russia has jumped into the new Superhero league right at No 1. and the USA and the UK with other but sniffers don't like it. So out come the knives.

With what ISIS is being urged to get up to in order to shock the world, should we really be surprised if air liners with our loved ones on get downed in the war? The people who run the Western allies are the culprits here because they were doing nothing but destruction - and are still trying to do it today by sending Uncle Sam's little helpers to the rebels - are Yes, the ones who join ISIS or al nazra once they are armed by the USA whatever? Russia could also have come in earlier so, although not viewed as having the same ghastly record of destruction of other countries in the ME as the Western allies, she is not altogether innocent, but most are glad she has stepped in, even if its only the crass purpose of stemming the waste of our tax payers money on arms.

This is so corrupt its getting unbelievable that politicians would be so blatantly desperate that they risk being seen by the public already suspicious of their motives to be stooping so low and base as they are today. Sorry Obama who elected you to depose other heads of state, I thought your job was to run the USA, not Syria and other ME countries. Israel, with all the arms and aid you give it should be more than capable of demolishing all the other ME countries without any conscience whatsoever otherwise shouldn't you be asking why that country needs all your aid?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: anxiouswens

For me, this puts into perspective the disappearance of MH370, followed shortly thereafter by the crash of MH17.

and now we have this - another plane bought down, apparently via nefarious means.

For me there is a link here, airlines are being targeted - innocents are being targeted.

Is this a high stakes tit-for-tat game?

Blood in, blood out.

A blood sacrafice. Who loves their God more?

a reply to: anxiouswens

It doesn't matter if it's plausible. No matter what investigators say now, this has destroyed the investigation. No one will ever believe anything else.

Putin said in Sochi that since the west wasn't playing nice behind closed doors the doors are now closed to them. Russia won't isolate itself but it won't play the West's games.

I suppose this is what he meant by that. Obama really REALLY REALLY needs to get more realistic Russian advisors in his cabinet before something irreversible happens. The sooner the better, this back and forth media blitz and troop positioning is getting very dangerous. Is there anyone in Russia and America who are true patriots to humanity?

Putin for all his praise is inching the world closer to catastrophe. Although I understand Russia's position in wanting a fair say in geopolitical affairs, war is not the answer.

This world needs a true global revolution and disclosure. The dirty laundry needs to come out and people need to take back their right to self-determination.

The American government isn't going to do it and the Russian government isn't #ting butterflies either. We all just watch as lunatics decide the fate of all mankind. Lord have mercy on us all.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

I did hear that Cameron Obama's lap dog may well not get his desire to put troops and bombing escapades into practise in Syria because there are those in Parliament who won't have it. Also he knows with the cuts and refugee qutas with no spare housing capacity he wants to implement for this country, he has his hands full, so perhaps if Obama gets the idea that his lot won't back him or the public will not back a huge bill for troops in Syria, he might back down.

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He has to face more soldiers dying in Iraq - three today alone, so the public will be starting up on his case and body bags are very emotive, especially when there is no benefit for the USA in this except some dubious moral high ground some Syrians have raised, despite the fact they couldn't get themselves elected by the majority.

Well the last time we were taken in by 'intelligence' reports by western security operatives see what happened.

It's all very fishy to me.

Can't think there's much can be done about it. TPTB control the media.

I hear what you are saying I do think the British Government has jumped the gun but I can only think whatever intelligence has told them has been significant enough to take these actions. I suppose they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. For all we know that intelligence could have led them to believe a British plane was at risk also.

However, it will be interesting to see what the results are from the investigation, if it comes back that it wasn't a bomb then the UK Government's intelligence is also going to be bought into question.

The only thing I can say is ISIS have said they are responsible for this, I don't really understand why they would say this if it wasn't true. There have been many other tragedies such as MH370 on that basis ISIS could say they were responsible for that as well and they haven't.a reply to: Zaphod58

I don't think Cameron would get the support of Parliament in putting troops in Syria. We have a political program here called Question Time. It was on last night and it briefly touched on troops in Syria and certainly judging from the British audience they don't want it, there is a genuine feeling in this Country that we have done enough damage already in the Middle East without getting involved in yet another war that always seems to make things worse. I certainly don't want our troops in Syria because I think it just creates more terrorism within our country. I say let Russia get on with it for once see if they can do any better, they certainly can't do any worse!

The other thing in the UK Teresa May has been trying to push through legislation that will let them snoop on our activities on the internet. Our government could be trying to sell this to the British people. I don't trust any of them any more. reply to: Shiloh7

a reply to: anxiouswens

I don't disagree with the actions, it's the statements that I have issue with. An overabundance of caution isn't a bad thing. But there's no reason to destroy the investigation before it's even really started by saying things like this, especially since there's no way to prove them.

Isn't it funny how SIS (Strategic Intelligence Service - Formerly known as MI6) "discovered proof" of something without even being on the investigation team, or having direct access to the crash site or artefacts.

They have grasped on to a tragedy, and used it for political propaganda, and in doing so, they have eliminated any chance of an actual fair and impartial investigation into the real facts.

a reply to: BMorris
It is a smoke screen for the million mask march in London last night. hardly any coverage of near riots in the capital of England and hardly a mention.

a reply to: chewi

The riots were mentioned quite heavily in the news sources I read, complete with pictures of burned out police cars, and people with nasty looking injuries. But lets face it, the march in London is only really local news, national news at best. Hardly of global importance.

The air crash actually is of global importance. Which is why it shouldn't be used as a propaganda piece.

originally posted by: BMorris
Isn't it funny how SIS (Strategic Intelligence Service - Formerly known as MI6) "discovered proof" of something without even being on the investigation team, or having direct access to the crash site or artefacts.

They have grasped on to a tragedy, and used it for political propaganda, and in doing so, they have eliminated any chance of an actual fair and impartial investigation into the real facts.

What utter BS. Do you only ever get your news from ATS threads that match your beliefs?!?!?

The UK intelligence is based on chatter ie the conversations across social media. Now this does not mean that it is correct or accurate but you don't need "direct access to the crash" as you stated in order to determine if there was the potential for a bomb on that plane. How accurate the assessment of the chatter is depends on who they are monitoring and what the content of the "chatter" was. That is something we will never know.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: anxiouswens

It doesn't matter if it's plausible. No matter what investigators say now, this has destroyed the investigation. No one will ever believe anything else.

That may be the whole idea behind it.

Yes I could have almost laughed last night when watching Sky News discussing the "riots" in London. The photo of the burned out Police Car is on the front of all the newspapers but when it was showing it live in reality there were an handful of youths just very casually adding more stuff to the fire on the top of the police car and there were about 50 journalists taking photos of their actions. To look at those photos this morning in the papers you would think there was anarchy last night on the streets of London not a very lame attempt at grabbing a bit of the limelight by some bored teenagers!!a reply to: BMorris

originally posted by: anxiouswens
The other thing in the UK Teresa May has been trying to push through legislation that will let them snoop on our activities on the internet. Our government could be trying to sell this to the British people. I don't trust any of them any more. reply to: Shiloh7

They've always been wanting to do this for the past 20 years. First it was logging telephone calls, SMS messaging, mobile IMEI numbers, SIM cards, email, instant messaging, IP communication between computers.

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