For those who continue to believe nobody knows why the pyramids were built

I always challenge people to go build a scale model to a 1/1000 scale.

For the great pyramid Ill let them do 1,10000 scale. Use modern tools is you like. Lets see if you can achieve the same precision.

The moral of this story is stop trying to talk like you know anything of significance about the origin of orignals builders their motives and construction science. Lets see the above challenge met before you keep spurting stories.

originally posted by: Hanslune
Howdy Spiros

The problem with your 'pyramids are related to mountains in Greece' idea is that it's not very believable nor interesting - like space aliens or Atlantis. I know you've spent a lot of time on it but there are reasons why people don't warm up to it.

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Hello Hanslune,

It's possible that aliens had something to do with it.

EKsOGHINOS((an) extraterrestrial) = 5+60+800+3+8+10+50+70+200 = 1,206

KRATOS ESTI(is (a) state) = (20+100+1+300+70+200) + (5+200+300+10) = 1,206

AI PYRAMIDAI THS GKIZA(ancient Greek for: "The pyramids of Giza") = (1+10) + (80+400+100+1+40+10+4+1+10) + (300+8+200) + (3+20+10+7+) = 1,206

If one reads my book(s) he will be able to decode Atlantis.

Why is the idea not believable? The original idea that the pyramids modeled mountains is not my own. It is encoded in the Greek language. The ancient Greek word for "mountain" encodes the base width of the Great Pyramid. You can't make it any simpler than that.

OROS = 70+100+70+200 = 440

Khufu pyramid base width = 440 royal cubits = 230.364 meters

As I said the Giza pyramids not only relate to mountains in Greece, they relate to mountains in Asian and African Egypt.

Best Regards
Spiros

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
a reply to: theantediluvian

The great pyramid was covered in mica. Its more convincing to argue it was a great electrical capacitor than a tomb.

It is ? G2 and G1's remaining cladding stones are limestone....what?

a reply to: Spiros

Spiros we've known each other for a long time. I can assure you that any attempt to sell your idea that is based on the theory that Gematria is a valid scientific methodology will end in utter and complete failure. Sorry dude - it has no basis in reality. Now you may believe that but then I think you are trying for consensus.

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
For the great pyramid Ill let them do 1,10000 scale. Use modern tools is you like. Lets see if you can achieve the same precision.

You want people to build a pyramid that is 1.4 cm tall?

That might present its own challenges.

originally posted by: FatherLukeDuke

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
For the great pyramid Ill let them do 1,10000 scale. Use modern tools is you like. Lets see if you can achieve the same precision.

You want people to build a pyramid that is 1.4 cm tall?

That might present its own challenges.

Naysayer! lol

people that believe the ridiculous rants of ancient aliens are almost as crazy as people that believe the ridiculous rants of zahi hawass

originally posted by: fightzone58
people that believe the ridiculous rants of ancient aliens are almost as crazy as people that believe the ridiculous rants of zahi hawass

Oh so, so I must ask - who’s ridiculous rants are you in favor of then?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Yo , cool thread

I like the idea , however Id like to know , the egyptians recorded pretty much everything they did , so I can assume they had plans on how they built the mastabas the steps and the bent pyramid ?

Looks to me like they saw the great pyramid and these are their attempts to recreate that colossus , the mastabas and the bent and the steps, all have smaller blocks than the great pyramid !

To me the egyptians came along , seen them thought they were amazing and tried to make them!

I still dont believe they were made by the egyptians

a reply to: sapien82

I believed that for a long time as well. But I find the explanation that this was an attempt build a smooth sided pyramid where they realized it wasn't going to work to be far more plausible. Given the egos of the pharoh's why let failed attempts to re-create something stand?

a reply to: atlantiswatusi

well ego exactly they wouldnt want their attempt , which by all fairness isnt that bad of an attempt and still something impressive to be destroyed !

I still think the egyptians didnt make them , they recorded everything , yet no detailed construction plans of the great pyramid or even the serrapeum , well of osiris etc !

no detailed construction plans of the sphinx etc !

yet we have records of brain surgery , mummification of cats, how to make papyrus , they wrote down everything!
yet no drawings or records of the building of said pyramids
doesnt that strike you as odd

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: atlantiswatusi

well ego exactly they wouldnt want their attempt , which by all fairness isnt that bad of an attempt and still something impressive to be destroyed !

I still think the egyptians didnt make them , they recorded everything , yet no detailed construction plans of the great pyramid or even the serrapeum , well of osiris etc !

no detailed construction plans of the sphinx etc !

yet we have records of brain surgery , mummification of cats, how to make papyrus , they wrote down everything!
yet no drawings or records of the building of said pyramids
doesnt that strike you as odd

The ancients and up until the modern era engineers didn't make plans, ie 'blue prints' they used 'the rule of thumb' and 'by eye', this is still done today by the ship builders in the Middle East to build dhows.

The problem with your idea that 'it was made by someone else" is that it contains Egyptian writing and more importantly civilizations leave massive archaeological imprints. The AE left tens of MILLIONS of clues that they existed yet this other 'invisible' civilization left no trace at all Nothing. - at the same time we can find many traces of the previous cultures than led up to the AE in the Nile valley going back to 40,000 years ago.

Additionally the amount of written material from pre-dynastic and old Kingdom Egypt is very, very small. You could make a long list of things that AE left no writings about! The Pyramid texts, Palermo stone, Abusir & Merer Papyrus, and a number of inscriptions are all that remains of the literature.

There are no 'plans' for buildings from the later periods also.

The Plan of St. Gall, is one of the oldest known surviving architectural plans. Some historians consider this 9th century drawing as the very beginning of the history of blueprints. Mysteriously, the monastery depicted in the drawing was never actually built.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Roman's also used plans but none of them survived.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: fightzone58
people that believe the ridiculous rants of ancient aliens are almost as crazy as people that believe the ridiculous rants of zahi hawass

Oh so, so I must ask - who’s ridiculous rants are you in favor of then?

I'm partial to Emily Latella's.
www.youtube.com...

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: fightzone58
people that believe the ridiculous rants of ancient aliens are almost as crazy as people that believe the ridiculous rants of zahi hawass

Oh so, so I must ask - who’s ridiculous rants are you in favor of then?

I'm partial to Emily Latella's.
www.youtube.com...

Harte

I support the suppression of showing violin's on TV AND cable. Damn squeaky nuisances I say!

a reply to: Hanslune

Also saying 'no plans' should equally apply to the purported mystery builders who left absolutely nothing.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Hanslune

Also saying 'no plans' should equally apply to the purported mystery builders who left absolutely nothing.

Yes it is one of the oddities of pyramid speculation that believers are highly skeptical of everything orthodoxy puts in its theories but don't apply said skepticism to their own belief in the invisible civilization.

'There is no writing in the pyramids' - yep absolutely nothing from the Invisible empire, there is AE writing however....

There are no plans - yep that applies to the imaginary guys too

etc, etc.

a reply to: Hanslune

Are there plans for the Parthenon?

a reply to: Hanslune

so the rule of thumb is accurate enough to build one of the largest structures on earth impressive for the thumb eh!

Aye fair enough , I just dont think the AE had the level of technology to do that , copper chisels cant cut quartzite ,dolomite, rose granite etc a simple rule of hardness , and there is no other known method for cutting stones back then !

a reply to: Hanslune

Aye its very interesting as you say there are no plans for the culture that supposedly made them before the AE
I guess we will never know for sure unless new discoveries are made .

if the current model is to be accepted then the AE were bloody good builders
however I dont believe humans could organise and carry out such a grand structure without any sort of record or detailed plans , a structure that size is so complicated especially with load bearing walls etc , I just dont believe it possible for everyone to remember all of that information in their head!

However they may have constructed small models for this purpose and those just havent survived , or as suggested they started with the precursor models of the stepped , bent and mastaba pyramids !