Views On Animal Mutilation

So I'm keen to find out people's views in animal mutilations?

I have been investigating them for over 20 years in the UK privately, but now want to see what the broader view is.

I worked as a vet for about 10 years in the farming community in Wales and England, and strange animal deaths were common. I did not relate any to sightings of UFOs seriously until 2010 when I witnessed red orbs literally over a field were a dead cow had been found. This farm in Powys Wales had seen a fair share of deaths and the farmer and locals their own fair share of UFO sightings.

I now believe that there is a higher agenda relating to the deaths where almost certainly my there is a human element controlled by ET that are responsible. I also believe that there are black labs run by ET who carry out experimental tests on parts taken from animals.

I have not shared my work publicly as I was scared off in October 2015 after a visit from a member of staff from Qinetiq Malvern. They attend a farm in Shropshire on 2nd October 2015 whilst I was on site ispeaking to a farmer about 4 male bulls that had been attacked and burnt by what looked like a laser cutter. The Qinetiq chap asked me to submit any research to help them look into possible ways they could monitor attacks. I found this rather strange and told him no. Before I left the farm he told me that I should "do the right thing".

This shows to me that black projects maybe involved so I feel now I'm being watched etc.

So what do we think ET outright or Government and ET or other?

It's a difficult subject. The mutilation of livestock seems very primitive for an advanced race, and gives little credibility to their ability to conduct research and have no findings after 100 years of research. You would think they are fully aware of the biological structure of most animals by now. To slice cows/livestock with laser type burns (as many have suggested)seems more like entertainment that scientific progression, adding a whole other element to the ET debate in terms of agenda and personality type.

It always sounds strange until testimony from someone like yourself comes out who has witnessed the final result .

I don't believe it to be black government as I can't see a gain. They could test new weapons on livestock in privatised zones, away from mainstream attention, unless they are trying to reinforce the belief in the ET phenomenon for whatever reason (not the cold war anymore).

You visit seems like a typical MIB moment. Beware that releasing any reports or studies may result in consequences to your career. Not to scare you just basic common sense .

Good luck with your research.

a reply to: PindarAln

Maybe some cows are being used as test for weaponry (laser blast effect on organic bodies) or perhaps genetic. What strikes me as the most important aspect of all this, is that the cow is the most massive of farm animals - which seems to imply that the tests are related to body mass.

a reply to: swanne

Why attack farm animals? If it's mass related wouldn't they target larger mammals?

Unless they have some sort of conservation protocols, which in a way will conflict with mutilating animals in terms of value of life.

a reply to: PindarAln

I read a theory a few years back that has stuck with me. I can't remember the source.

If cattle mutilations are not the result of natural death, disease, predation, or scavengers,... I've read that the culprits may be private, corporate, military, or governmental groups monitoring the effects of genetic manipulation, hormone injections, and antibiotic usage on the cattle, as well as their ingestion of GMOs, fertilizers, and pesticides.

I don't know the cause of cattle mutilation, but personally, the alien agenda is the last one I'd give credence to.

a reply to: PindarAln

Im very interested in this as well. I think its ET's, but perhaps not the typical ones that are supposed to be working with the gov. If you believe in ET's in the first place, then its safe to say there is more than one race - as been reported by witnesses.

Perhaps this is a more primitive race that is conducting these experiments. An the MIB type you encountered is trying to monitor them???
I dont know, just grasping at straws here.
Can i see some of your pictures of your findings?

a reply to: PindarAln

Stuff like that does happen out here. In the late 80's-early 90's there was a lot of it. I think that quite a bit of it was kids playing nasty pranks, but sometimes there would be a mutilated animal in a tree. I think kids would have a hard time doing that. But, why a tree?

I think it's over-analyzation of the effects of predation and decomposition to justify a particular conclusion.

a reply to: draknoir2

Decomposition does not show the same characteristics as laser type burns...unless I could be wrong.

the OP never attributed these "conditions" to UFO'S until he had an orb type experience.his conclusion before this experience would have been completely different. Wouldn't he clutch at straws and deny what he has witnessed to fulfil his "particular conclusion" pre-experience?

To me he has concluded that no man made (to our knowledge) is capable of doing this and has come to another conclusion. It isn't easy for someone to admit what 15 years of "knowing" the cause was incorrect.

Aliens have been dicking with people forever, they want for nothing, what else do they have to do with their time?

originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: PindarAln
I've read that the culprits may be private, corporate, military, or governmental groups monitoring the effects of genetic manipulation, hormone injections, and antibiotic usage on the cattle, as well as their ingestion of GMOs, fertilizers, and pesticides.

I've read the US Gov FOIA/FBI dox regarding this subject and helicopters were often involved, in some cases chasing ranchers away from the scenes of the mutilations. I've always been a fan of the prion/mad cow disease testing hypothesis. There's lots of interesting data involved with these cases that don't illustrate a natural death then predation. It's a fascinating subject and incidents still occur to this day.

a reply to: JuniorJr

Thanks for that document! That's exactly the line of causation I was suggesting. I definitely recall the mention of helicopters with onboard labs, harvesting organs and tissue, then dumping the bodies mid-air.

a reply to: PindarAln

Assuming you are who you claim, and what you claim, which I do for the sake of this discussion, I can only say that this adds to the "thicket." Either the real world is in fact depicted correctly in the collective representation, and there are no mysteries out there to investigate, only a maddening pack of fools who foist their delusions on the rest of us, or, it is not all as we are told. The "thicket" as I use it refers to the complex and snarled mass of conspiracy theories: UFOs, Ghosts, ESP, Free Energy, Cryptozoology, TIme travel, etc.

I conclude, after a lifetime of interest in this thicket, that some of the paths in this thicket are real. I also have come to believe that disinformation is by far the best way for some group, be it MIB, Aliens, TIme Travelers, or God Almighty, to shield the vast bulk of humanity from one or more truths. I have no idea which of the cracks in the standard reality are real and which are the work of the pack of fools, or, more to the point, of those obfuscating the actual nature of reality.

In reality there is no possible way to completely hide the crack in reality. It manifests itself from time to time and thus enters the collective data stream. Only be the work of the pack of fools, who generate fake UFOs, fake Yeti's etc., and the perpetrators who generate intentful and pervasive disinformation does our ability to collectively track it down become nearly impossible.

So, either you are a member of the pack of fools (which I am NOT accusing you of being), or, the animal mutilations you are studying are part of the smoke screen in the thicket, or you are seeing a bit of the crack in reality which we collectively do not understand. Of course, even the "smoke screen" is a strong indication that there is, in fact, some such crack somewhere in our collectively defined reality.

By sharing information outside the accepted reality : www.abovetopsecret.com... www.abovetopsecret.com... etc. and having a swarm of sometime obnoxious skeptics, ATS provides at least some possibility of vetting a good deal of the thicket. How else can we do it? One good step would be to find a way to convince the pack of fools that their very reality might depend on their clearly labelling their fabrications as such. How about a sincere campaign to convince at least some of the pack to 'fess up and clear at least some of the thicket up. How else can we expose this crack? I wonder. There is more to be revealed!

a reply to: PindarAln

Views On Animal Mutilation

It's not just cattle. I find these cat mutilations especially creepy.


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a reply to: PindarAln

They attend a farm in Shropshire on 2nd October 2015 whilst I was on site ispeaking to a farmer about 4 male bulls that had been attacked and burnt by what looked like a laser cutter.

Were these Bulls killed and mutilated ?
Where in Shropshire was the farm ?

In your intro thread you say you were approached by Qinetiq Porton Down , here you say Qinetiq Malvern , which was it or are these separate incidents ?

No , I don't think animal mutilations are caused by ET.

My guess is that some mutilations can be explained by just crazy folk. Others might be classified agency work in order to examine possible spread/mutation of diseases. This work is done without any knowledge of the public because there is no reason to inform and frighten the people.

Nevertheless there are more causes of mutilation which I haven't listed and personally I think ET is not responsible for any of these happenings. They would take maybe some probes but wouldn't do it repeatedly and also why would they left behind remaining of their experiment?


e: whoops, I see someone earlier just said that; shame on me for not reading!

a reply to: tombaccei

No I am not one of those fools, I merely want to try and bring exposure to this subject a bit more. I'm fed up of secrets and closed doors by the authorities like the rest of us.

Linda Moulton Howe has done an extensive investigation on the subject of cattle mutilation and the bizarre half-cat mutilations for over a decade. She also wrote two books on her investigations, one was called "A Strange Harvest" and the second "An Alien Harvest." She has compiled an enormous amount of challenging data related to this phenomenon.

For those who are interested in the subject, here is a link to some significant mutilation cases with evidence that leans toward the direction of ET.

Significant Cattle Mutilation Cases

Perhaps its just for research and maybe they make medicines for their abductees.

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: draknoir2

Decomposition does not show the same characteristics as laser type burns..

^ perfect example of what I'm talking about.