Should We Try To Prevent War? The Bible Says No

a reply to: TzarChasm

"Jesus is just another hitler.
The kingdom of god is the fourth reich, if you take revelations seriously at all."

That's quite a reach... care to outline and define?

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Your a nut with nutty opinions.

One could easily say the same thing about a person of faith using the Bible as a moral compass...

originally posted by: redoubt
That's quite a reach... care to outline and define?

Well, Jesus and the Lord effectively say, believe in me or "else". The "else" being oblivion, damnation, Hell, no-salvation -- whichever. It's their way, or no way.

Same with Hitler. It was his way, or no way.

God killed countless millions with is floods, plagues, etc, and ordered many to kill in his name.

Hitler ordered the death of millions and to kill in his name/ideology.

To be honest, from what I can tell, Satan seems to be the most humane out of the lot.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Who has the most stakes in the biblical prophecies being fulfilled? Israel, they are central to the entire prophecy. So why is America giving them so much money? I believe it is to fund wars that seem to follow those prophecies. The playbook is right there to be read and has been for two thousand years now. All they need is money in order to fabricate these events to make it seem as though the prophecy is coming true and Jesus is about to return. This has been the game plan for thousands of years now and people have been buying it.

Do you understand how hilarious this is? Sixtysix books of ancient
literature come together to make a single canon. And as anyone
with eyes can see they correlate perfectly to deliver a Holy
message from the Creator himself. Thirtynine different authors
over fifteen hundred years from three different continents and
it's a playbook?

I'm sorry but that's the funniest gawd damn thing I've ever heard
on ATS! You could pretty much talk yourself into anything I bet?

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Your a nut with nutty opinions.

One could easily say the same thing about a person of faith using the Bible as a moral compass...

Certainly false beliefs about the bible can be dangerous.

The morality of Christianity is very safe if one goes by the book.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: redoubt

You can't cure poison by putting more poison in the wound, too much of anything is bad for you. Like Tzar said, you can't cure war with more war, the idea is ridiculous within itself.

What we need is love which happens to be exactly what Jesus teaches us about. You cannot love those whom you kill in war. Those who believe Jesus will come back to kill unbelievers with war and extermination are sadly mistaken.

You do make one mistake.

Jesus does not come to cure war with more war. He is only coming to end a war that is ongoing. There has never been peace. This war began even before mankind was here. And we are caught in the middle.

originally posted by: randyvs
Sixtysix books of ancient
literature come together to make a single canon. And as anyone
with eyes can see they correlate perfectly to deliver a Holy
message from the Creator himself.

Perfectly? Hardly. Gospels were hand-chosen and also "hand-omitted" based on a narrative that would fit what they wanted.

Plus, the bible you read today was not the bible of 1400 years ago. It's been heavily edited over time, again, to fit the narrative of the times and what the church wanted to see.

What about the gospels left out? Why were they not included? No doubt, because they didn't "fit" the story they wanted to tell.

But I won't knock you for liking it. I like science fiction as well.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
The morality of Christianity is very safe if one goes by the book.

Really...

Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”

And just as he's ready to...

The angel said, “Don’t kill your son or hurt him in any way. Now I can see that you do respect and obey God. I see that you are ready to kill your son, your only son, for me.”

Yup. Not f**ked up in ANY way at all. Yes, so long as one goes "by the book", you'll be fine.

Ace.

a reply to: noonebutme

Your biased, hateful opinion is completely incorrect and
made obvious by the dead sea scrolls. All you can do is split
the tiniest of pubic hairs trying to prove your ridiculousness.
Even the scriptures that were left out due to some redundance
or being incomplete have managed to resurface. God has made
them ready available for you. You and your godless kind will never
be able to escape his perfect word. NEVER! So get used of it!
You gotta serve somebody.

But I won't knock you for liking it.

And you don't have to lie to kick it.

a reply to: randyvs

Wow man. You're so full of hate. I thought follows of Christ were more loving than that.

We're all entitled to our opinions. if you want to believe in that stuff, that's fine. But no need to be so spiteful.

So what about Nag Hammadi and the 50 odd gospels unearthed there in the 1940's? Why are they not in the bible? Could it be they do not conform to what Christians WANTED the bible to look like? Instead of an account of all available information, gospels and accounts were selectively picked that fit a narrative people wanted.

You see - I can stand back and look around and ask questions; why this, why that. You just seem to... I don't know, just blindly accept what you're told without question. Kind of scary that you are seemingly so gullible. Why not question and investigate? Why not find out why other testaments were ignored or excluded?

a reply to: noonebutme

Admit it, you come to threads like this because you are compelled
by something. I certainly don't waste my time knocking scientology.
No, you want to find something to prove yourself wrong. Because
you're afraid to make the call yourself. If life were like you we wouldn't
be having this conversation.

a reply to: noonebutme

"... Jesus and the Lord effectively say, believe in me or "else".

Biblical quote, please? I mean... where people are threatened by Christ for questioning.

"God killed countless millions with is floods, plagues, etc..."

Are you saying that God is really a God?

God is then, God, right?

a reply to: noonebutme

Wow man. You're so full of hate

And where was this indicated?

I'm all full of hate trying to show you a message of Gods love
and righteousness. Righteousness even in his wrath because
duh he is God and completely beyond your silly judgement.
But I'm full of hate?

You beat everything you know that?

a reply to: randyvs

And guess who always got their hands on the books to make them official canon. Those in power. They're the ones who have preserved it.

The point I made was that these "prophecies" supposedly being fulfilled today could easily be self-fulfilling seeing as how the "prophecies" have been there all along in the bible for anyone to read. How many people wrote it and where they came from doesn't really matter if those in power today are guiding world events to mirror prophecy in the bible.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Do you think you understand the implications of what you're saying?

Son, you haven't even considered them.

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: noonebutme
Biblical quote, please? I mean... where people are threatened by Christ for questioning.

Matthew 25:46
John 12:48

Are you saying that God is really a God?
God is then, God, right?

No. I was making a reference to the bible and the character "God" portrayed within it.

Where did I say God is really a God? To date there is no evidence to convince me of such a being.

originally posted by: randyvs
Admit it, you come to threads like this because you are compelled
by something.

Well of course. I'm compelled by logic to point out the futility in your belief structure when you try to use it as a form of evidence to any rational argument, seeing as how religion is based purely on irrational behaviour.

I certainly don't waste my time knocking scientology.

Nor should you. It's pretty funny stuff.

No, you want to find something to prove yourself wrong. Because
you're afraid to make the call yourself. If life were like you we wouldn't
be having this conversation.

What does that mean? Please explain. I'm not afraid to "make the call" myself. Which call is that? That I should abandon reason and logic and believe in something that has no evidence? No thanks.

originally posted by: randyvs
I'm all full of hate trying to show you a message of Gods love
and righteousness. Righteousness even in his wrath because
duh he is God and completely beyond your silly judgement.
But I'm full of hate?

You get quite riled up when I criticise your belief system. I don't mind if you try to criticise mine. I don't need to "believe" in mine as it has its own evidence on display, ready to be seen and testable. Yours is not.

You beat everything you know that?

No, I don't. I don't know what that means. I'm not a violent person.

a reply to: noonebutme

"Where did I say God is really a God? To date there is no evidence to convince me of such a being."

That's the course that we all take... to make choices on what we believe to be true, to be real, to be life.

So long as we can accept that truth for every human being... that they are individuals and capable of making such choices on a personal level without external pressures to alter... then we are, as a species, in fair shape.

Not perfect, mind you. We have a long way to reach that but... offering tolerance for those who do not immediately fall into our personal viewpoint, is a good first step

a reply to: noonebutme

I see evidence in everything I look at. Gods handy work is evident.
And you won't have that excuse when your days near their end
and your boldness wanes. No atheists in fox holes right?

" The fool says in his heart there is no God, then comes death, then
judgement."

I see evidence in these truths you scoff at as fair warning.
Perceived by you preferably as a threat. You say I'm gulible
as you ride side saddle in disbelief of everything. Because
God is in everything. His message rings clear as a bell to me.
And there are none so blind as those who will not see. If
you were content with your choice you wouldn't be here.
With that pitiful excuse that your fighting for truth justice
and the american way fly'n around ATS in your dant da da das
fighting off the evil Christians.

Well of course. I'm compelled by logic to point out the futility in your belief structure when you try to use it as a form of evidence to any rational argument, seeing as how religion is based purely on irrational behaviour.

When you have a better explanation for existence that makes
better sense pal. Bring that along with you.
We all know it won't come from science don't we?