Police Cuts UK

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Police cuts: Commissioners threaten to sue Government over 'unjustified' budget reforms

Seven police and crime commissioners are threatening legal action against the Government over its “unjustified” and “deeply flawed” funding reforms that could see millions of pounds slashed from the budgets of several police forces already rocked by spending cuts.

The police commissioners have joined forces in writing to Policing Minister Mike Penning to urge him to halt proposed changes to police funding allocations – and have issued a stark warning that they could seek a judicial review if he fails to listen to their “grave concerns”. It follows a series of warnings from senior police officers that they have been left unable to respond to burglaries, anti-social behaviour and drug crime due to “savage” spending cuts.

The commissioners who signed the letter represent Cumbria, Lancashire, Devon and Cornwall, Merseyside, North Yorkshire and Thames Valley. Also signed by London's Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime.

Should we be backing these people who are challenging the governments anti-constabulary campaign?

Should we take action to ensure continued police cover for all areas?

Rebel held areas.

a reply to: Kester

Perhaps the U.K police need to have a chat with the CIA about how to generate more funds...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's widely suspected that Chief Constable Michael Todd was murdered by the CIA after his investigation of the CIA torture flights. Don't confuse our police with the substandard policing you have allowed to evolve in your own area.

a reply to: Kester

Do you think government spending needs to be cut back in areas because of the increasing refugees and welfare?

Obviously there`s a percentage that are not happy about it in your country.

These guys even made a song about it.

a reply to: Kester

Dont get me wrong...i am technically American by birth but i choose to live in Aussieland,i was not having a dig at the U.K police......

originally posted by: Kester
www.independent.co.uk...

Police cuts: Commissioners threaten to sue Government over 'unjustified' budget reforms

Seven police and crime commissioners are threatening legal action against the Government over its “unjustified” and “deeply flawed” funding reforms that could see millions of pounds slashed from the budgets of several police forces already rocked by spending cuts.

The police commissioners have joined forces in writing to Policing Minister Mike Penning to urge him to halt proposed changes to police funding allocations – and have issued a stark warning that they could seek a judicial review if he fails to listen to their “grave concerns”. It follows a series of warnings from senior police officers that they have been left unable to respond to burglaries, anti-social behaviour and drug crime due to “savage” spending cuts.

The commissioners who signed the letter represent Cumbria, Lancashire, Devon and Cornwall, Merseyside, North Yorkshire and Thames Valley. Also signed by London's Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime.

Should we be backing these people who are challenging the governments anti-constabulary campaign?

Should we take action to ensure continued police cover for all areas?

Perhaps the govt considers lawlessness among the masses is quite ok with them. Help reduce the brith rate if the muder rate went up 10 times or so. After all, the rich will be protected because the avaialbe police will be used to look after them first.

a reply to: Kester

lol, no matter what the UK police actually are... Fact still remains, they'd just be considered as a buzzing fly to most criminals over here. Since they don't even carry guns.

Most crims would just do whatever they wanted, then if the coppers ever got in the way, they'd just fire off a few rounds over there heads to scare them into backing off.

Those so called "bobbies" must be considered as kind of like a joke to any hardcore criminal.... just saying.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

How would you know? Have you ever worked as a UK officer? I have and am proud. Perhaps you are stronger/braver than me and my colleagues? Guns don't make heroes...

Mike Penning MP again?
Last position was Minister at the Home Office and Ministry of Justice. The same tool that, when I asked him about prosecutions of criminal bankers over LIBOR and other scandals, deferred to the office of the Chancellor, as such things were outside his area of "expertise".

The guy is just another climber in the halls of power and will do what his masters tell him.

Like all other public funded services, it's in the crosshairs for privatization so needs to be run down before they step in with proposals to fix it again..... in corporate hands of course!

a reply to: kuraijanai2013

I never have and never will work as a UK officer, let alone any other kind of officer.

I'm just honestly curious how you guys manage to gain any kind of respect from the hardcore crims when you call yourselves "bobbies" and don't even carry guns.

Seems like a perfectly legitimate curiosity to me... coming from a country where they all carry guns and would probably give ya a beating, if you referred to them as bobbies.

a reply to: kuraijanai2013

Cool, a Bobbie, G`day from down under.

I`m guessing there is not much gun crime in the UK?

Also if a call came through which was gun related, are you then armed or does a special unit respond?

a reply to: gps777

Gun crime is not very common (yet) in the UK and if firearms are involved, each county force has it's own specialist firearms officers that will respond.

originally posted by: Britguy

Gun crime is not very common (yet) in the UK

Stands to reason why your Bobbies don`t have the need to be armed and if it did change, as in gun crime, obviously your officers would carry.

and if firearms are involved, each county force has it's own specialist firearms officers that will respond.

Cheers for clarification on that Britguy.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Generally the hardcore crim's know its not a good idea to do anything that'll get the firearms teams itchy and the very top firearms teams are trained to special forces standards for rescue operations as after the embassy siege the SAS was rather upset at having to be front page news.

Its probably a cultural thing in that we've never really had a shoot first and maybe ask a couple of questions while scrapping up the bodies approach like there seems to be more in the US.

The main problem is that traditional British bobby policing doesn't really give much in the way of stats as theres no way of knowing how many crimes they have stopped just by being where they are but in a responsive way it's easy to count and put a value on an officers time and the government loves stats.

I feel sorry for the police, they really are being put under strain.


There are far better ways to cut the police budget then cut numbers.
Ending the drug war for a start would free up huge numbers of manpower and money.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Kester

lol, no matter what the UK police actually are... Fact still remains, they'd just be considered as a buzzing fly to most criminals over here. Since they don't even carry guns.

Most crims would just do whatever they wanted, then if the coppers ever got in the way, they'd just fire off a few rounds over there heads to scare them into backing off.

Those so called "bobbies" must be considered as kind of like a joke to any hardcore criminal.... just saying.

Not really.

If guns and organised crime are involved you get the armed response units and they are heavily armed and armored.


Infact its really not worth shooting at a police officer as to do so will garentee more time behind bars than if you just surrendered to them and took your punishment.

a reply to: Kester

I was just talking about this a few nights ago with a female officer who was dealing with an ongoing complaint with my next door neighbour and his "girlfriend".

He's 72, she's 33 and not all there to be honest. They are both constantly drunk and tend to carry on, mostly verbal on the fronts.

The officer was telling me (and seemingly quite stressed out), how they cannot cope with constantly having to come out and deal with minor things like that as they are stretched beyond belief.

Just a few weeks ago the police brought down two rival gangs in the Moorclose area, and the weapon haul they found was ridiculous. The last thing they need to be doing is making cuts.

This is West Cumbria by the way.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: kuraijanai2013

I never have and never will work as a UK officer, let alone any other kind of officer.

I'm just honestly curious how you guys manage to gain any kind of respect from the hardcore crims when you call yourselves "bobbies" and don't even carry guns.

Seems like a perfectly legitimate curiosity to me... coming from a country where they all carry guns and would probably give ya a beating, if you referred to them as bobbies.

Because they have guns if required and the police here in the UK are generally decent people with an actual set of balls and don't require guns to maintain law and order.

It's far scarier for a criminal to take on someone with courage and intelligence than it is someone who has to rely on a gun to make them look useful.

originally posted by: gps777
a reply to: Kester

Do you think government spending needs to be cut back in areas because of the increasing refugees and welfare?

No the spending cuts were announced years ago, including the £12bn cuts in welfare - this cut has nothing to so whatsoever with welfare or refugees, it's purely a government intent on privatising everything and giving tax cuts to the richest 5%.

The police are more and more being replaced by private firms such as G4S as for some crazy reason the government think turning everything 'for profit' will magically make things better.

originally posted by: crazyewok
I feel sorry for the police, they really are being put under strain.


There are far better ways to cut the police budget then cut numbers.
Ending the drug war for a start would free up huge numbers of manpower and money.

Kind of hard to feel sorry for them well the 'war on drugs' is in play though.

When they just spend most of there time trying to move up the ranks by busting minor drug offenders, well destroying peoples lives by twisting the situation around for the purpose of pining trafficking charges on them.